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Post by NJtoTX on Dec 26, 2019 22:33:11 GMT
64 known ballots, 15.5% of total Derek Jeter 100.00%
Curt Schilling 85.90%
Larry Walker 85.90%
Barry Bonds 76.60%
Roger Clemens 76.60%
Omar Vizquel 46.90%
Manny Ramirez 43.80%
Scott Rolen 42.20%
Todd Helton 37.50%
Gary Sheffield 32.80%
Jeff Kent 31.30%
Billy Wagner 28.10%
Andruw Jones 25.00%
Sammy Sosa 20.30%
Andy Pettitte 10.90%
Bobby Abreu 7.80%
Eric Chávez 0.00%
Rafael Furcal 0.00%
Jason Giambi 0.00%
Paul Konerko 0.00%
Cliff Lee 0.00%
Alfonso Soriano 0.00% |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2019 22:36:31 GMT
Yuck at Jeter being at 100%
Walker is deserving.
Fuck the other 3 top 5.
Happy to see Andruw Jones getting more representation this year even though I dont think he is a HOF'er. Just glad he is getting more than a 1 and done which he was at risk of last year.
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Post by NJtoTX on Dec 26, 2019 22:38:32 GMT
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Post by millar70 on Dec 26, 2019 23:31:55 GMT
Bonds and Clemens inching closer. Both deserve to be in the Hall.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2019 23:35:14 GMT
He will get 100% I have little doubt and its gross. Media loved him and the voters would get ripped by New York fans/media if they didnt vote for him. Glad I visited the HOF before a bunch of the roiders got in at least. |
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Post by NJtoTX on Dec 26, 2019 23:58:12 GMT
He will get 100% I have little doubt and its gross. Media loved him and the voters would get ripped by New York fans/media if they didnt vote for him. Glad I visited the HOF before a bunch of the roiders got in at least. Bonds and Clemens were borderline early last year and dropped. Same should happen this year.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 26, 2019 23:59:42 GMT
Someone thought Bobby Abreu was a HOFer?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2019 23:59:48 GMT
He will get 100% I have little doubt and its gross. Media loved him and the voters would get ripped by New York fans/media if they didnt vote for him. Glad I visited the HOF before a bunch of the roiders got in at least. Bonds and Clemens were borderline early last year and dropped. Same should happen this year. Hope so but this years class is pretty weak. They might slip in. |
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jan 2, 2020 13:52:45 GMT
Larry Walker needs in.
Coors Field might be a thing, but if the air is different, that means double the strike zones to master. The Rockies also play every single road game out of their home time zone. So yeah, the Coors Effect can't forever penalize guys.
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Post by NJtoTX on Jan 2, 2020 14:15:04 GMT
Larry Walker needs in. Coors Field might be a thing, but if the air is different, that means double the strike zones to master. The Rockies also play every single road game out of their home time zone. So yeah, the Coors Effect can't forever penalize guys. Looking good, with 86.1% of 115 known ballots. Jeter 100% Schilling 79.1% Bonds and Clemens 76.5%. Seems like 3/4 of people vote for both and `1/4 vote for neither. No one else will contend. Rolen is closest at 48.7%, Vizquel 47.0%.
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Post by fjenkins on Jan 2, 2020 15:53:10 GMT
Larry Walker needs in. Coors Field might be a thing, but if the air is different, that means double the strike zones to master. The Rockies also play every single road game out of their home time zone. So yeah, the Coors Effect can't forever penalize guys. Looking good, with 86.1% of 115 known ballots. Jeter 100% Schilling 79.1% Bonds and Clemens 76.5%. Seems like 3/4 of people vote for both and `1/4 vote for neither. No one else will contend. Rolen is closest at 48.7%, Vizquel 47.0%. But usually they have higher vote totals at this point, they all go down as more votes go in. 86% at this point is going to be very very close. He might just finish at 75% Schilling won't make it. Clemens and Bonds definitely won't.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 2, 2020 17:12:47 GMT
Yuck at Jeter being at 100% Walker is deserving. Fuck the other 3 top 5. Happy to see Andruw Jones getting more representation this year even though I dont think he is a HOF'er. Just glad he is getting more than a 1 and done which he was at risk of last year. Jeter and Riviera won't be the last 100% vote getters. I think the only reason players like Aaron, Mays, Randy Johnson etc didn't get in because "______ shouldn't be the first to get 100%." The spell is broken.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jan 2, 2020 17:23:07 GMT
Looking good, with 86.1% of 115 known ballots. Jeter 100% Schilling 79.1% Bonds and Clemens 76.5%. Seems like 3/4 of people vote for both and `1/4 vote for neither. No one else will contend. Rolen is closest at 48.7%, Vizquel 47.0%. But usually they have higher vote totals at this point, they all go down as more votes go in. 86% at this point is going to be very very close. He might just finish at 75% Schilling won't make it. Clemens and Bonds definitely won't. It’s only 86% of the ballots that have been made public. Most of the voters who don’t publicize their ballots don’t vote for the juicers. My prediction is that Bonds, Clemens and other juicers get in from some future veterans’ committee a la Baines and Trammell. |
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Post by fjenkins on Jan 2, 2020 19:11:16 GMT
But usually they have higher vote totals at this point, they all go down as more votes go in. 86% at this point is going to be very very close. He might just finish at 75% Schilling won't make it. Clemens and Bonds definitely won't. It’s only 86% of the ballots that have been made public. Most of the voters who don’t publicize their ballots don’t vote for the juicers. My prediction is that Bonds, Clemens and other juicers get in from some future veterans’ committee a la Baines and Trammell. Yes, I think it's barely over a 4th of the voters so far which means their percent totals will go down a lot. I think Bonds and Clemens may have even less than last year. But yeah, someday when all the older folks are out of voting, Bonds and Clemens get in by a VC committee of some sort. The other thing is if Ortiz gets in on the regular vote, that will definitely open the door.
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Post by NJtoTX on Jan 11, 2020 19:13:54 GMT
151 known ballots (36.7%) Derek Jeter (1st) 100.0%
Larry Walker (10th) 84.8%
Curt Schilling (8th) 79.5%
Barry Bonds (8th) 75.5%
Roger Clemens (8th) 74.2%
Scott Rolen (3rd) 50.3%
Omar Vizquel (3rd) 46.4%
Gary Sheffield (6th) 39.1%
Todd Helton (2nd) 36.4%
Manny Ramirez (4th) 35.8%
Billy Wagner (5th) 33.1%
Jeff Kent (7th) 28.5%
Andruw Jones (3rd) 26.5%
Sammy Sosa (8th) 18.5%
Andy Pettitte (2nd) 11.9%
Bobby Abreu (1st) 7.3%
Jason Giambi (1st) 0.7%
Paul Konerko (1st) 0.7%
Cliff Lee (1st) 0.7%
Eric Chávez (1st) 0.0%
Rafael Furcal (1st) 0.0%
Alfonso Soriano (1st) 0.0% |
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Post by tristramshandy on Jan 11, 2020 19:19:18 GMT
151 known ballots (36.7%) Derek Jeter (1st) 100.0%
Larry Walker (10th) 84.8%
Curt Schilling (8th) 79.5%
Barry Bonds (8th) 75.5%
Roger Clemens (8th) 74.2%
Scott Rolen (3rd) 50.3%
Omar Vizquel (3rd) 46.4%
Gary Sheffield (6th) 39.1%
Todd Helton (2nd) 36.4%
Manny Ramirez (4th) 35.8%
Billy Wagner (5th) 33.1%
Jeff Kent (7th) 28.5%
Andruw Jones (3rd) 26.5%
Sammy Sosa (8th) 18.5%
Andy Pettitte (2nd) 11.9%
Bobby Abreu (1st) 7.3%
Jason Giambi (1st) 0.7%
Paul Konerko (1st) 0.7%
Cliff Lee (1st) 0.7%
Eric Chávez (1st) 0.0%
Rafael Furcal (1st) 0.0%
Alfonso Soriano (1st) 0.0% Historically, the okay-with-steroids guys seem to put their ballots in earlier, right? I seem to remember that Bonds and Clemens have looked pretty good early in the process only to fall off as things move along.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 11, 2020 19:31:31 GMT
A lot of voters were down on Larry Walker, saying his numbers were due to playing in the mountains. Why is that an issue? Babe Ruth benefited from playing in a tailor made ballpark. Yankee Stadium should have been called "The House built for Ruth". Many other got numbers padded by a ballpark. Looks like he will get in
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jan 11, 2020 20:14:30 GMT
A lot of voters were down on Larry Walker, saying his numbers were due to playing in the mountains. Why is that an issue? Babe Ruth benefited from playing in a tailor made ballpark. Yankee Stadium should have been called "The House built for Ruth". Many other got numbers padded by a ballpark. Looks like he will get in Rockies played every road game in another time zone. Coors' unique air, Walker had to contend with 2 different 'strike zones' his entire time.
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Post by NJtoTX on Jan 11, 2020 20:22:10 GMT
A lot of voters were down on Larry Walker, saying his numbers were due to playing in the mountains. Why is that an issue? Babe Ruth benefited from playing in a tailor made ballpark. Yankee Stadium should have been called "The House built for Ruth". Many other got numbers padded by a ballpark. Looks like he will get in Pretty big difference between home and away. bbref.com/pi/shareit/sTNkkRuth almost identical. In some ways, better on the road. bbref.com/pi/shareit/xZPzo
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 11, 2020 20:36:42 GMT
A lot of voters were down on Larry Walker, saying his numbers were due to playing in the mountains. Why is that an issue? Babe Ruth benefited from playing in a tailor made ballpark. Yankee Stadium should have been called "The House built for Ruth". Many other got numbers padded by a ballpark. Looks like he will get in Pretty big difference between home and away. bbref.com/pi/shareit/sTNkkRuth almost identical. In some ways, better on the road. bbref.com/pi/shareit/xZPzo Yeah, Ruth could have hit in Yellowstone Park. But I don't think a player should be penalized for the park or the environment they played in.
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