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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Apr 22, 2017 14:55:36 GMT
Is there a specific reason? I suspect it's because of that door to door nonsense. The official reason is extremism, but they were never able to provide actual proof of this beyond saying that it's because JW's think their religion is the one true religion which, for some reason riles of religion of much bigger sizes and the governments who cater to them. This article spells out the problems for them: www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2016/05/17/476898973/russias-jehovahs-witnesses-fight-extremist-label-possible-banSo despite paying taxes and not being criminals they are extremists because their religion does not promote being patriotic despite the obvious fact that anyone can leave the church to be as patriotic as they want to be and anyone becoming one of JW's knows exactly what they are getting into meaning they didn;t want to join the military or vote in the first place. So JW's shouldn't think they are the one true religion because there are other religions that think they are the one true religion that are bigger by a minimum of a hundred fold. Basically they poked the bear and the bear got annoyed. The scary thing is that any country could repeat this ridiculous premise of to worship God means to love your country or join the majority. . |
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Apr 22, 2017 18:34:34 GMT
And the defense of child murderers continues.
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Post by cupcakes on Apr 24, 2017 18:49:11 GMT
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 28, 2017 16:00:49 GMT
I figured some people here would enjoy this.
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Post by progressiveelement on Jul 28, 2017 16:07:00 GMT
Are you surprised?
Russia is synonymous with the c word I was warned not to use again on this board.
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Post by looking4klingons on Oct 12, 2017 1:18:15 GMT
While I am not JW, & certainly disagree with most of their theology & practices, I think Russia has made a huge mistake going down this road. Banning religion only makes adherents of the particular religion stronger in their beliefs. Yes, that happens. JW's will probably increase in that country, as it is growing most every where else. |
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Post by gadreel on Oct 12, 2017 1:45:46 GMT
Naturally you would go a long way to find someone that considers their religion inferior to other, but of course that is not what is being said, the JW are saying that theirs is the ONLY correct religion, added to the claim that they are presenting that by putting down other faiths. Having said that a lot of people consider that there are many paths up the mountain, I am Christian, but I would not say it is the best religion, simply that it is the best religion for me. I am not arrogant enough to assume I know what is right for you. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 12, 2017 2:41:36 GMT
Naturally you would go a long way to find someone that considers their religion inferior to other, but of course that is not what is being said, the JW are saying that theirs is the ONLY correct religion, added to the claim that they are presenting that by putting down other faiths. Having said that a lot of people consider that there are many paths up the mountain, I am Christian, but I would not say it is the best religion, simply that it is the best religion for me. I am not arrogant enough to assume I know what is right for you. There is no reason to think all religions lead to the same path and there's no danger in thinking a particular path is a correct one and particularly when that religion has no major political or cultural impact and causes no harm to anyone. So it's all well and good to disagree with the notion of a true religion, it's goofy and idiotic to think that the notion of a true religion is inherently dangerous. JW's specifically state that their religion is not for everyone. In fact, they don't think it's for most people. They don't say what's right for everyone since nearly everyone doesn't even qualify for their religion. It's not their problem that people don;t like them for that stringency &/or confidence. |
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Post by Isapop on Oct 12, 2017 11:39:07 GMT
CoolJGS said:
"JW's specifically state that their religion is not for everyone."
When we say that something (college, parenting, a particular financial plan, a career in show business, etc.) "is not for everyone", we mean that it is not the best thing for everyone.
So where does the Watchtower "specifically state" that being a true follower of Jehovah is not for everyone in such a sense, as not being the best thing for everyone?
Or are you just being disingenuous about how the WT describes those who reject what they teach?
(And resorting to that to defend the WT only serves to strengthen those who would defend Russia's action.)
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Post by general313 on Oct 12, 2017 15:02:14 GMT
Nah, I think you're quoting Donald Trump. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 12, 2017 15:19:27 GMT
CoolJGS said: "JW's specifically state that their religion is not for everyone."When we say that something (college, parenting, a particular financial plan, a career in show business, etc.) "is not for everyone", we mean that it is not the best thing for everyone. So where does the Watchtower "specifically state" that being a true follower of Jehovah is not for everyone in such a sense, as not being the best thing for everyone? Or are you just being disingenuous about how the WT describes those who reject what they teach? (And resorting to that to defend the WT only serves to strengthen those who would defend Russia's action.) Not the same thing.
They invite everyone to be JW's as part of their preaching campaign because they aren't mind readers.
However, their preaching campaign is not for the purpose of getting everyone to understand their beliefs are the best thing. It is for those that are rightly disposed to it. Otherwise they would be baptizing people at the door rather than waiting until the person basically passes a baptism test a year or two down the road.
It's no different than any organization explaining why their product is the best. The individual decides whether that is true for them or not. They decide whether a Big Mac is better than a Whopper regardless of advertising.
The main purpose of their preaching work is because they were instructed to do so.
I have no idea why you would think I would show information from JW's since you routinely ignore anything that isn't biased toward your view of them and we both go to the same source.
I would prefer you find the material and then I show you how you misinterpreted and then ignore that misinterpretation to avoid having to say an apology. That seems to work best.
Further, it is irrelevant to the point. Even if we are to assume that JW's think everyone should become JW's because it is for everyone, it still doesn't make them a danger to a country that is getting along just fine without them and still doesn't even have them for support after the ban. In short, it accomplishes nothing regarding ending their religion or faith and probably won't even halt growth until imprisonment or other forms of persecution.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Oct 12, 2017 15:44:56 GMT
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Post by Cinemachinery on Oct 12, 2017 16:12:43 GMT
That bolded part... this is the regime so admired by so many conservative voters in the US. Reagan-era conservatives would shit themselves. |
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Post by Cinemachinery on Oct 12, 2017 16:15:58 GMT
Well, this comes as news to me. Okay. That's really interesting since I just checked four different search engines and if you type "Jehovah's Witnesses" it automatically fills in "blood transfusions" for you. It's literally the thing most associated with the cult on the entire internet. Is it on Yewtewb, though? |
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Post by gadreel on Oct 12, 2017 17:13:30 GMT
Naturally you would go a long way to find someone that considers their religion inferior to other, but of course that is not what is being said, the JW are saying that theirs is the ONLY correct religion, added to the claim that they are presenting that by putting down other faiths. Having said that a lot of people consider that there are many paths up the mountain, I am Christian, but I would not say it is the best religion, simply that it is the best religion for me. I am not arrogant enough to assume I know what is right for you. There is no reason to think all religions lead to the same path and there's no danger in thinking a particular path is a correct one and particularly when that religion has no major political or cultural impact and causes no harm to anyone. So it's all well and good to disagree with the notion of a true religion, it's goofy and idiotic to think that the notion of a true religion is inherently dangerous. JW's specifically state that their religion is not for everyone. In fact, they don't think it's for most people. They don't say what's right for everyone since nearly everyone doesn't even qualify for their religion. It's not their problem that people don;t like them for that stringency &/or confidence. Look up the process of othering. |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Oct 12, 2017 17:36:02 GMT
There is no reason to think all religions lead to the same path and there's no danger in thinking a particular path is a correct one and particularly when that religion has no major political or cultural impact and causes no harm to anyone. So it's all well and good to disagree with the notion of a true religion, it's goofy and idiotic to think that the notion of a true religion is inherently dangerous. JW's specifically state that their religion is not for everyone. In fact, they don't think it's for most people. They don't say what's right for everyone since nearly everyone doesn't even qualify for their religion. It's not their problem that people don;t like them for that stringency &/or confidence. Look up the process of othering. Nice try, gadreel, but that poster isn't going to look up anything that might oppose his narrow worldview. The bolded part? A statement by someone who has never looked at history. True religions have been fighting over whose religion is the true one, and people have been dying over it as long as humans have had religions. |
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Post by OldSamVimes on Oct 12, 2017 17:38:48 GMT
A cult that lets kids bleed to death rather than getting a blood transfusion has no place in any civilized society.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Oct 12, 2017 17:42:51 GMT
Look up the process of othering. Nice try, gadreel, but that poster isn't going to look up anything that might oppose his narrow worldview. The bolded part? A statement by someone who has never looked at history. True religions have been fighting over whose religion is the true one, and people have been dying over it as long as humans have had religions. Well, now, he did carefully hone it down to "no political or cultural impact"... essentially saying it's not dangerous so long as its not dangerous.  |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Oct 12, 2017 17:52:20 GMT
That bolded part... this is the regime so admired by so many conservative voters in the US. Reagan-era conservatives would shit themselves. Didn't Reagan actually call it "the Evil Empire"? |
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Post by gadreel on Oct 12, 2017 18:05:05 GMT
Look up the process of othering. Nice try, gadreel, but that poster isn't going to look up anything that might oppose his narrow worldview. The bolded part? A statement by someone who has never looked at history. True religions have been fighting over whose religion is the true one, and people have been dying over it as long as humans have had religions. I was actually going to quote the bolded part, but either quote is divisive enough that it worked. I don't get this 'my religion is right' bullshit, it might be right for you, but to assume that what you think about a mostly unknowable thing is the the right way of thinking and all others are wrong is just so arrogant and inherently dangerous. |
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