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Post by Nalkarj on Jun 16, 2017 12:55:12 GMT
PeteWe will miss your presence and await your swift return (with the answer !) ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) . What Bat said here, Pete. I know you can't respond now, but all of us here are wishing you well. Here's to your swift return, as Bat put it! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Nalkarj on Jun 16, 2017 13:37:54 GMT
Pete wrote:
—which I hope is a hint, because I'm currently looking up alternate meanings for the colon or double colon symbol...
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Post by tarathian123 on Jun 16, 2017 14:22:27 GMT
Nalkarj --- I have a friend in St Louis who is a computer programmer, a maths teacher, a Turing devotee, and owns an Enigma machine. I've just sent him an email to see if he has any ideas.
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Post by Nalkarj on Jun 16, 2017 14:25:17 GMT
Nalkarj --- I have a friend in St Louis who is a computer programmer, a maths teacher, a Turing devotee, and owns an Enigma machine. I've just sent him an email to see if he has any ideas. Excellent, Tarathian. Many thanks to you for sending it and your friend for (probably) responding to it. Now, if he can't figure it out...
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Post by tarathian123 on Jun 16, 2017 14:29:55 GMT
Nalkarj --- May be a while. He's probably working, ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by tarathian123 on Jun 16, 2017 15:21:35 GMT
In the meantime....
Given many strange spellings in the English language for phonetic sounds, how could the word GHOTI be pronounced?
And here's one that Geoff Lord would love...
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After a local art theft, six suspects were being interviewed. Below is a summary of their statements. Police know that exactly four of them told one lie each and all of the other statements are true. From this information can you tell who committed the crime?
Alan said: It wasn't Brian It wasn't Dave It wasn't Eddie
Brian said: It wasn't Alan It wasn't Charles It wasn't Eddie
Charles said: It wasn't Brian It wasn't Freddie It wasn't Eddie
Dave said: It wasn't Alan It wasn't Freddie It wasn't Charles
Eddie said: It wasn't Charles It wasn't Dave It wasn't Freddie
Freddie said: It wasn't Charles It wasn't Dave It wasn't Alan
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Can you add exactly four of these numbers such that the total is twelve?
1 6 1
6 1 6
1 6 1
6 1 6
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Post by Nalkarj on Jun 16, 2017 15:33:10 GMT
In the meantime.... Given many strange spellings in the English language for phonetic sounds, how could the word GHOTI be pronounced? Ah, that's Shaw's fish, correct? ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by tarathian123 on Jun 16, 2017 15:34:57 GMT
Nalkarj -- Correct. Try the others I've editted in.
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Post by Nalkarj on Jun 16, 2017 15:42:34 GMT
I'm working on the statements, tarathian123, but as for the numbers... Obviously, there's no mathematical way to get to 12 with only four numbers, so I'm thinking the solution has to be something of a trick. Is it that we circle the numbers 161, 616, 161, and 616? Because there are a total of 12 digits that make up those four.
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Post by tarathian123 on Jun 16, 2017 15:58:09 GMT
The numbers are 1, 6, and 1 individual numbers, not 161, or 616. etc. Add any 4 of the indivdual numbers to make 12. Eg, 6+ 6 + 1+ 1 = ? Obviously that's the wrong combination. And yes, there is a trick to it.
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Post by Nalkarj on Jun 16, 2017 16:03:00 GMT
OK, tarathian123, I'll try my hand at deductive logic (and, yes, Geoff Lord would appreciate the abecedarian phraseology here): I think Charles is the art thief. Stipulated: four of the six have lied. Logically, the lie must be the same, because only one person committed the crime (I hope), and the statements describe the person who didn't commit the crime.
So what statement is it that four of them made? Only three said that Eddie didn't commit the crime. Three stated that Alan hadn't committed the crime. Two stated that Brian didn't commit the crime. Three stated that Dave didn't commit the crime. Three stated that Freddie didn't do it. But four of them stated that Charles committed the crime--the only statement that is the same among four of the six suspects. Four suspects had to make the same statement, because four of them told one lie each. Therefore, I would argue that that's the like statement, the lie, and that (because it's a lie) Charles is indeed the thief. QED. Now I'm sure I've missed something... ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by tarathian123 on Jun 16, 2017 16:05:34 GMT
Nalkarj --- Spot on. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) You're on form today.
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Post by Nalkarj on Jun 16, 2017 16:08:14 GMT
Thanks, tarathian123 ! But I'm not sure that ghoti counts--I knew that one going in.
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Post by Nalkarj on Jun 16, 2017 18:33:28 GMT
Can you add exactly four of these numbers such that the total is twelve? 1 6 1 6 1 6 1 6 1 6 1 6 I think looking at your Dubya and "Bill" puzzles just gave it to me:
Do you flip it upside down and add a 9 with three 1s?
Not sure if I'm right because there's a problem: unless the 1s were written as straight lines (which wasn't indicated), they wouldn't be 1s when flipped upside down.
But I tried everything else--Roman numerals, circling the whole thing, then circling one line, then circling two sixes (four circles, four numbers, the total of two of the encircled numbers is twelve--yes, I know that doesn't satisfy the terms set)--so it's the only thing I've got left in my bag of tricks.
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Post by tarathian123 on Jun 16, 2017 20:40:27 GMT
Nalkarj --- That's it. Thought I might have fooled you this time. Just got a reply back from St. Louis. As far as he's aware, apart from colons used singly to denote ratios, neither they nor question marks have any significance in maths. Nor, as depicted in the puzzle, in computer programming, nor any codes he has come across. He's as stumped as we are.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Jun 16, 2017 21:19:21 GMT
tarathian123NalkarjYou do realize that when Pete returns and tells the answer, it's going to be one of those DUH ! Of COURSE moments, right ? I can hear the foreheads being slapped already ! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by tarathian123 on Jun 16, 2017 21:25:16 GMT
Ever thought that it could be a wind-up?
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Post by BATouttaheck on Jun 16, 2017 21:29:24 GMT
Ever thought that it could be a wind-up? well. now that I looked it up to confirm translation from UK English to US English : wind-up: BRIT. informal an attempt to tease or irritate someone.
Nope. Twisty-turny but probably not a tease. (hopefully) BTW, I don't get the GHOTI one. Duh, me ?
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Post by tarathian123 on Jun 16, 2017 21:36:36 GMT
BATouttaheckgh = /f/ as in enough. o = /i/ as in women. ti= /sh/ as in nation.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Jun 16, 2017 21:42:57 GMT
RE: Ghoti. Ok then, thanks ! but where does "Shaw" come into it ? Similar but not a puzzle. A book by Dr.Seuss written under his Geisl name: "The TOUGH COUGHED as he PLOUGHED the DOUGH." SPOILERED title Corrected tarathian123
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