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Post by alfromni on Sept 23, 2017 22:13:39 GMT
SalzmankOK. Only waffling as I think....and nutt'n's coming! 
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Post by Salzmank on Sept 24, 2017 0:16:03 GMT
alfromni, brimfin, DanaShelbyChanceyOK, let's see, another hint... The students did something wrong, and they definitely liked to lie and confuse. They really didn't want to do this project, which they knew was coming up quickly.
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Post by alfromni on Sept 24, 2017 0:25:58 GMT
SalzmankI really don't have a clue. Their misdemeanours could be manyfold.
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Post by brimfin on Sept 24, 2017 1:08:28 GMT
Some thoughts on the Failing grade puzzle: I'm reminded of an episode of an old drama about teachers called "The Best Times." In one episode, a student turned in a paper about MOBY DICK talking about the dietary practices on the ship. The teacher thought it was clever, until she found out he was also taking a nutrition class and turned in the same paper in that class. This could be something similar; the students prepared the same presentation to use in both classes hoping the teacher wouldn't find out. Somehow word got out so she commented on the mistakes in their other presentation and gave them an "F" for trying that. Problem with that is that in the TV show the teacher decided he hadn't put for the effort in her class since he had turned in the paper to the other class first. But she gave him the option - take an F on the paper or rewrite it. I can't see why this teacher would not give them the same option - take an F or do a different presentation. Unless they just gave up and decided there was no time to regroup and redo.
Based on your clues, the best I can come up with is that they forged a note from their parents or a medical excuse, but she saw through it and critiqued what they did wrong before flunking them.
Other than those ideas, I don't know where else to go. By the way, you never did give us your answer to the mystery of why a man woke up on a morning in May with everyone celebrating his birthday even though it was in December. I think enough time has passed for any other responses. I was happy with my idea and wasn't planning to submit anything else, since I have no other clue on the matter.
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Post by Salzmank on Sept 24, 2017 1:17:41 GMT
brimfinAgain--close, very close, but just missing it... As for the second "man's birthday" puzzle, yes, of course, more than enough time has passed. Problem is, I had the whole solution written out, when I suddenly realized it wouldn't work. That is to say, it would explain one major part of it, but not the whole thing. Still, I can post the solution I did have if you want it.
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Post by brimfin on Sept 24, 2017 1:25:33 GMT
brimfin Again--close, very close, but just missing it... As for the second "man's birthday" puzzle, yes, of course, more than enough time has passed. Problem is, I had the whole solution written out, when I suddenly realized it wouldn't work. That is to say, it would explain one major part of it, but not the whole thing. Still, I can post the solution I did have if you want it. Sure. You've got me doubly curious now. By the way, which of the two failing grade suggestions I mentioned is the one that is very close?
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Post by Salzmank on Sept 24, 2017 1:36:19 GMT
brimfinWell, both, actually.
#1 was particularly close--the students do something that is not cheating but that is very close to it (I know that makes no sense, but it will in retrospect), and the failing grade is a punishment of sorts for the thing they did wrong. (BIG hint here--they lied, with the intention of confusing someone...)
#2 is close because the students are intending on fooling the teacher by doing something; to be clearer, they've already done something (but, of course, before the due date of the presentation).
I'll post my ineffectual solution to the birthday problem as soon as I have the time to write the whole thing out; it's a bit involved (which made me even more annoyed when I saw it wouldn't work).
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Post by alfromni on Sept 24, 2017 1:50:45 GMT
SalzmankF grade - My last shot before I turn in. Did the kids perchance destroy the presentation in some way, either by accident or design, before it could be presented?
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Post by Salzmank on Sept 24, 2017 1:56:08 GMT
alfromniI wish I could tell you yes before you turn in, but, sorry, that's not it either. 
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Post by alfromni on Sept 24, 2017 1:57:24 GMT
Oh well...c'est la vie! G'night all! 
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Post by DanaShelbyChancey on Sept 24, 2017 13:37:43 GMT
Presentations in front of the class are given at all ages, it is more a way of getting the child to speak in front of a group, losing shyness, than about the material.
Reread the original question, but could the presentation have been about how much they disliked the teacher, and it was very unflattering?
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Post by Salzmank on Sept 24, 2017 15:44:34 GMT
DanaShelbyChanceyNo, it wasn't unflattering to the teacher--well, strike that, something they did could be considered unflattering, but they did it before they did the presentation (that may be misleading). By the way, Dana, would you mind in the future if you put your solution ideas in spoilers, like this ? Many thanks! 
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Post by Salzmank on Sept 24, 2017 15:47:35 GMT
alfromni , brimfin , DanaShelbyChancey OK, another big hint: Before the day in question, this group of students told their teacher a big lie in order to confuse her about--er--something... (I can't say any more without giving it away.) They assumed (erroneously) their young, conscientious teacher would be foolish enough to fall for it. They said they'd done something already. Does that help?
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Post by DanaShelbyChancey on Sept 24, 2017 15:52:26 GMT
DanaShelbyChancey No, it wasn't unflattering to the teacher--well, strike that, something they did could be considered unflattering, but they did it before they did the presentation (that may be misleading). By the way, Dana, would you mind in the future if you put your solution ideas in spoilers, like this ? Many thanks! I don't mind, Salz, go right ahead!!!
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Post by Salzmank on Sept 24, 2017 16:13:49 GMT
brimfinOK, the birthday puzzle. (This is long.) My solution had two major components to it:
1. The entire scenario may be traced back to the wife.
2. Her motivation was that she wanted to kill her husband and collect the insurance money.
(2), her motivation, is the flawed piece.
The big problem here is that the whole business seems some massive conspiracy, but in reality, if you think about it, it could just be the wife pulling the strings behind it all.
Think about it: the wife could tell the children (very young children, hypothetically) to "say happy birthday to Daddy"; and, for the most part, if they're very young, they'll just go along with it. After all, my friend said, they're gonna get cake anyway!
The co-workers? The Mrs. called them up and said it's her husband's birthday and that the co-workers should surprise him. Two ways this could work: (1) he was in a new job with people who don't know his actual birthday or (2) she explained that it was all part of a joke or come up with some other excuse. Now, it is stipulated that it's not a joke--which it certainly isn't in reality, as I'll explain in a moment--but that doesn't mean the co-workers don't think it is. For the purposes of this scenario in light of Mrs. X's motivation, however, we went with (1).
The big problem is the parents, but there's an answer here too: they never actually appear "on-stage." They could be hired actors, or some such thing--and, after all, the man is so confused that he would probably be thinking more about why everyone should be doing this than why his parents voice seem a little "off."
Now we come to her motive:
Why should she do all this? Believe me, we were stumped for a while, but then we thought of something very mystery-esque: she's after the money.
Let us say, hypothetically, that Mr. X inherits a great deal of money from--here we go again--a rich uncle (Barnaby Weste, you despicable old rapscallion!), but he must be at whatever arbitrary cut-off age Uncle prescribed. Mrs. X cannot wait a year for whatever reason (we weren't too sure on this--perhaps it's that Uncle changes his will on a dime, and she doesn't want to take the risk that he'd change it again?), so she develops a plan to murder Mr. X after having convinced everyone he'd already turned the cut-off age.
Yes, as you can tell, this woefully contrived scenario has multitudinous holes in it. The (real) parents, the birth certificate, the doctors who brought Mr. X into the world, the age-old question of why do anything this contrived when something simpler would do the trick... Yes, yes, I know. As I said, it doesn't work, but it is what my friend and I originally thought up.
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Post by alfromni on Sept 24, 2017 17:11:00 GMT
Salzmank , brimfinWhat's with this "Birthday Puzzle", guys? I must have missed it, and can't find it.
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Post by Salzmank on Sept 24, 2017 17:21:22 GMT
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Post by alfromni on Sept 24, 2017 17:27:50 GMT
Salzmank Ah yes. I remember it now. "The Three Faces of Eve" came to mind. I'll take another look at it :-). Thanks.
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Post by alfromni on Sept 24, 2017 18:19:15 GMT
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Post by Salzmank on Sept 25, 2017 3:30:30 GMT
brimfinDisappointing solution for the birthday, eh? 
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