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Post by shinnickneth on Apr 21, 2017 4:00:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 5:17:13 GMT
Not negative just honest.
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Post by audiosane on Apr 21, 2017 5:21:51 GMT
I think Mark's trying to be as honest about his disappointment as possible while not coming across as being too negative. Folks like us will pick up on it, but the masses won't.
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Post by johnspartan on Apr 21, 2017 13:20:49 GMT
Damn, I had a feeling Rian would fuck this up, now I'm even more worried. They'll probably take a dump on everything Lucas created by doing away with the light side and dark side because Hollywood hipsters despise the concept of good and evil since evil is uber kewl to their twisted minds.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 21, 2017 13:42:52 GMT
Hmm. I see comments saying they edited down what he said so it would look like Hamill hated the script.
Yeah, they edited around. Full interview here.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 14:23:03 GMT
Hmm. I see comments saying they edited down what he said so it would look like Hamill hated the script. Yeah, they edited around. Full interview here. Yeah, context is important
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Post by shinnickneth on Apr 21, 2017 14:27:58 GMT
Hmm. I see comments saying they edited down what he said so it would look like Hamill hated the script. Yeah, they edited around. Full interview here. It appears that's correct. The majority of what he said in the shorter clip is in reference to Episode 7, which he then says (in the full interview) that he was made completely wrong. The only part (of the shorter clip) that he references Episode 8 in, is with the part about how he told Rian Johnson, "I fundamentally disagree with virtually everything you decided about my character." That part still troubles me. Mark always had a clear understanding of Luke Skywalker. I don't like that the script for 8 didn't reflect his view of the character. I hope I'm wrong though. Better yet, I hope he's wrong!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 14:51:40 GMT
The YouTuber "JarJar Abrams" loves to chop away the parts from interviews he wants people to hear so they don't hear the parts he doesn't want them to hear. Anytime I see his videos, and want to really know what it was all about, I look for the source material.
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Post by audiosane on Apr 21, 2017 15:19:24 GMT
It appears that's correct. The majority of what he said in the shorter clip is in reference to Episode 7, which he then says (in the full interview) that he was made completely wrong. The only part (of the shorter clip) that he references Episode 8 in, is with the part about how he told Rian Johnson, "I fundamentally disagree with virtually everything you decided about my character." That part still troubles me. Mark always had a clear understanding of Luke Skywalker. I don't like that the script for 8 didn't reflect his view of the character. I hope I'm wrong though. Better yet, I hope he's wrong! Exactly. Mark said he was wrong about how he thought TFA's ending was going to look, and he thinks he might be wrong about this, too. Still, he's not too excited about Luke's new direction.
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Post by audiosane on Apr 21, 2017 15:23:58 GMT
The YouTuber "JarJar Abrams" loves to chop away the parts from interviews he wants people to hear so they don't hear the parts he doesn't want them to hear. Anytime I see his videos, and want to really know what it was all about, I look for the source material. It's true that Jar Jar Abrams loves to edit his videos, but it turns out there is some cause for concern here. Mark might end up liking the finished product, but he might not either. Plus, I would say not being sure how a finished scene would look on film is very different from reading the script and not agreeing with the direction your character is going.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 15:51:44 GMT
The YouTuber "JarJar Abrams" loves to chop away the parts from interviews he wants people to hear so they don't hear the parts he doesn't want them to hear. Anytime I see his videos, and want to really know what it was all about, I look for the source material. It's true that Jar Jar Abrams loves to edit his videos, but it turns out there is some cause for concern here. Mark might end up liking the finished product, but he might not either. Plus, I would say not being sure how a finished scene would look on film is very different from reading the script and not agreeing with the direction your character is going. I didn't say there was no reason for concern. But I don't see people quoting the optimistic parts, I don't see this guy leaving in the parts that don't meet his agenda, and there's no balance in that, is there? I also don't see a lot of talk about what Hamill had to say here, except for the parts that could be taken negatively, lol:
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Post by audiosane on Apr 21, 2017 16:26:57 GMT
It's true that Jar Jar Abrams loves to edit his videos, but it turns out there is some cause for concern here. Mark might end up liking the finished product, but he might not either. Plus, I would say not being sure how a finished scene would look on film is very different from reading the script and not agreeing with the direction your character is going. I didn't say there was no reason for concern. But I don't see people quoting the optimistic parts, I don't see this guy leaving in the parts that don't meet his agenda, and there's no balance in that, is there? I also don't see a lot of talk about what Hamill had to say here, except for the parts that could be taken negatively, lol: Jar Jar Abrams clearly has an agenda. You don't see people quoting the optimistic parts where? I've seen some of it on this site when fans talked about Mark being glad he was wrong about the way he thought TFA's ending was going to look. They also brought up that Mark said he might be wrong about his feelings on the direction Luke is going in TLJ.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 16:45:26 GMT
I didn't say there was no reason for concern. But I don't see people quoting the optimistic parts, I don't see this guy leaving in the parts that don't meet his agenda, and there's no balance in that, is there? I also don't see a lot of talk about what Hamill had to say here, except for the parts that could be taken negatively, lol: Jar Jar Abrams clearly has an agenda. You don't see people quoting the optimistic parts where? I've seen some of it on this site when fans talked about Mark being glad he was wrong about the way he thought TFA's ending was going to look. They also brought up that Mark said he might be wrong about his feelings on the direction Luke is going in TLJ. The positives are indeed brought up when things are taken out of context, like in this thread, to at least counter a "sky is falling" mindset a little after a short interview is chopped even further to look bad and a 2 minute teaser. I'll give you that.
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Post by audiosane on Apr 21, 2017 17:26:02 GMT
Jar Jar Abrams clearly has an agenda. You don't see people quoting the optimistic parts where? I've seen some of it on this site when fans talked about Mark being glad he was wrong about the way he thought TFA's ending was going to look. They also brought up that Mark said he might be wrong about his feelings on the direction Luke is going in TLJ. The positives are indeed brought up when things are taken out of context, like in this thread, to at least counter a "sky is falling" mindset a little after a short interview is chopped even further to look bad and a 2 minute teaser. I'll give you that. Okay. I don't agree with "the sky is falling" mentality, and Mark did say he could be wrong again. That said, I was focusing on the simple fact that he had strongly disagreed with the direction they were taking Luke. More importantly, I don't think not knowing how a scene's going to look when everything comes together is remotely comparable to reading the script and knowing what happens to your character. It's not like Mark was concerned with how Luke will look on the big screen. He doesn't need to watch the movie to reach a final verdict here. I think he was just mixing kind optimism with honesty.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 17:42:47 GMT
The positives are indeed brought up when things are taken out of context, like in this thread, to at least counter a "sky is falling" mindset a little after a short interview is chopped even further to look bad and a 2 minute teaser. I'll give you that. Okay. I don't agree with "the sky is falling" mentality, and Mark did say he could be wrong again. That said, I was focusing on the simple fact that he had strongly disagreed with the direction they were taking Luke. More importantly, I don't think not knowing how a scene's going to look when everything comes together is remotely comparable to reading the script and knowing what happens to your character. It's not like Mark was concerned with how Luke will look on the big screen. He doesn't need to watch the movie to reach a final verdict here. I think he was just mixing kind optimism with honesty. And when Mark said about his work with Johnson on TLJ: "In this experience he's rocketed to the top of my all time favorite directors, believe me." Does that say anything about that while he may not agree with the direction, that he trusts his judgement?
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Post by audiosane on Apr 21, 2017 18:15:45 GMT
Okay. I don't agree with "the sky is falling" mentality, and Mark did say he could be wrong again. That said, I was focusing on the simple fact that he had strongly disagreed with the direction they were taking Luke. More importantly, I don't think not knowing how a scene's going to look when everything comes together is remotely comparable to reading the script and knowing what happens to your character. It's not like Mark was concerned with how Luke will look on the big screen. He doesn't need to watch the movie to reach a final verdict here. I think he was just mixing kind optimism with honesty. And when Mark said about his work with Johnson on TLJ: "In this experience he's rocketed to the top of my all time favorite directors, believe me." Does that say anything about that while he may not agree with the direction, that he trusts his judgement? Yeah, it does. Mark praised Rian's ambitious films and trusted his judgment with getting his performance just right. While that's nice to hear, it's essentially the sort of thing I would expect an actor to say. Daisy praised Abrams for being a wonderful and supportive director, but I don't think he did a good enough job directing her. On the whole, Mark seems more positive than I realized, but the focus of that falls on his performance (something he's very nervous about), not Luke's direction, which was what I was getting at in the first place. Still, Mark says he could be wrong, so we'll see.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 21, 2017 18:21:07 GMT
Hmm. I see comments saying they edited down what he said so it would look like Hamill hated the script. Yeah, they edited around. Full interview here. It appears that's correct. The majority of what he said in the shorter clip is in reference to Episode 7, which he then says (in the full interview) that he was made completely wrong. The only part (of the shorter clip) that he references Episode 8 in, is with the part about how he told Rian Johnson, "I fundamentally disagree with virtually everything you decided about my character." That part still troubles me. Mark always had a clear understanding of Luke Skywalker. I don't like that the script for 8 didn't reflect his view of the character. I hope I'm wrong though. Better yet, I hope he's wrong! Yeah, he also says that he was wrong about 7 and he hopes he is wrong about 8 also. We have 8 months to learn what's going on. Usually Star Wars isn't as straight forward from the trailers as other movies and you figure out what is going on from them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 18:25:20 GMT
It appears that's correct. The majority of what he said in the shorter clip is in reference to Episode 7, which he then says (in the full interview) that he was made completely wrong. The only part (of the shorter clip) that he references Episode 8 in, is with the part about how he told Rian Johnson, "I fundamentally disagree with virtually everything you decided about my character." That part still troubles me. Mark always had a clear understanding of Luke Skywalker. I don't like that the script for 8 didn't reflect his view of the character. I hope I'm wrong though. Better yet, I hope he's wrong! Yeah, he also says that he was wrong about 7 and he hopes he is wrong about 8 also. We have 8 months to learn what's going on. Usually Star Wars isn't as straight forward from the trailers as other movies and you figure out what is going on from them. You know as well as I do that a bunch of people have already made up their mind about it....
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Post by audiosane on Apr 21, 2017 18:42:03 GMT
Yeah, he also says that he was wrong about 7 and he hopes he is wrong about 8 also. We have 8 months to learn what's going on. Usually Star Wars isn't as straight forward from the trailers as other movies and you figure out what is going on from them. The Star Wars trailers seemed straight forward enough until TFA. I don't remember one ever giving us a bait-and-switch character.
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Post by kuatorises on Apr 21, 2017 18:43:11 GMT
I think Mark's trying to be as honest about his disappointment as possible while not coming across as being too negative. Folks like us will pick up on it, but the masses won't. Could you pat yourself on the back just a little more?
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