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Post by clusium on Jan 15, 2020 23:36:03 GMT
It has a heartbeat while still in the womb. A heartbeat is not consciousness. Now stop pretending to care. Heartbeat is life. Yes, I care. Do you?
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Post by clusium on Jan 16, 2020 4:59:17 GMT
Heartbeat is life. Yes, I care. Do you? How do you even know if that life would even care about you. Stop attempting to defend your ignorance. It’s not helping you. That would be just like asking "how do you know if (fill in the blank regarding any person suffering particular tragedy) would care about you? The only ignorance I see here Toasty is you.
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Post by clusium on Jan 16, 2020 15:16:25 GMT
That would be just like asking "how do you know if (fill in the blank regarding any person suffering particular tragedy) would care about you? The only ignorance I see here Toasty is you. You are coming from delusion, over something that isn't a part or aspect of your world. It DOES NOT affect you. It is a game you are playing and you DO NOT impress me with your phony sense of compassion and empathy. The world is full of children that breeders need not have. This is the main impact on the environment, not climate change, which the source of it comes from excessive human population. You are also coming from a space of religious dogma, which also makes you a clown. The only clown I see around here is you, Toasty. So sorry to hear that you think that all these millions of children in the world should not exist. Adolf Hitler would be very proud of you right now.
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Post by goz on Jan 16, 2020 19:53:03 GMT
You are coming from delusion, over something that isn't a part or aspect of your world. It DOES NOT affect you. It is a game you are playing and you DO NOT impress me with your phony sense of compassion and empathy. The world is full of children that breeders need not have. This is the main impact on the environment, not climate change, which the source of it comes from excessive human population. You are also coming from a space of religious dogma, which also makes you a clown. The only clown I see around here is you, Toasty. So sorry to hear that you think that all these millions of children in the world should not exist. Adolf Hitler would be very proud of you right now. What an inexpressible stupid thing to say, especially coming from a Catholic who doesn't believe in contraception. To compare the use of contraception and abortion to Adolph Hitler is appalling. JUST because your medieval church is so backward when it comes to science and technology when it suits the ridiculous Catholic agenda to control people ( especially women) doesn't mean that the rest of us have to suffer such stupidity. Please tell me exactly what is the difference between using contraceptives, early abortion and miscarriage? They ALL prevent future lives and not existing ones. Allegedly YOUR God doing it, OR people preventing it when they can't afford it in any way ( financially physically emotionally) and being responsible?
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Post by clusium on Jan 16, 2020 20:08:24 GMT
The only clown I see around here is you, Toasty. So sorry to hear that you think that all these millions of children in the world should not exist. Adolf Hitler would be very proud of you right now. What an inexpressible stupid thing to say, especially coming from a Catholic who doesn't believe in contraception. To compare the use of contraception and abortion to Adolph Hitler is appalling. JUST because your medieval church is so backward when it comes to science and technology when it suits the ridiculous Catholic agenda to control people ( especially women) doesn't mean that the rest of us have to suffer such stupidity. Please tell me exactly what is the difference between using contraceptives, early abortion and miscarriage? They ALL prevent future lives and not existing ones. Allegedly YOUR God doing it, OR people preventing it when they can't afford it in any way ( financially physically emotionally) and being responsible? Hitler believed in Eugenics, which is basically improving human population by controlled breeding.
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Post by goz on Jan 16, 2020 20:44:26 GMT
What an inexpressible stupid thing to say, especially coming from a Catholic who doesn't believe in contraception. To compare the use of contraception and abortion to Adolph Hitler is appalling. JUST because your medieval church is so backward when it comes to science and technology when it suits the ridiculous Catholic agenda to control people ( especially women) doesn't mean that the rest of us have to suffer such stupidity. Please tell me exactly what is the difference between using contraceptives, early abortion and miscarriage? They ALL prevent future lives and not existing ones. Allegedly YOUR God doing it, OR people preventing it when they can't afford it in any way ( financially physically emotionally) and being responsible? Hitler believed in Eugenics, which is basically improving human population by controlled breeding. Yes. So?
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Post by clusium on Jan 16, 2020 23:20:12 GMT
The only clown I see around here is you, Toasty. So sorry to hear that you think that all these millions of children in the world should not exist. Adolf Hitler would be very proud of you right now. False and desperate equivalency. Hitler was about breeding a superior race. What has that got to do with abortion twit? Your insidious and confounded Catholic church has more in common with Hitler, oppression and brainwashing the masses. Big deal. He wanted to get rid of "undesirable people." The argument for "pro choice" is that children are "wanted children," & that children that are or intended to be aborted are "unwanted children." Hitler hated the Catholic Church (as well as Christianity in general). His views had nothing in common with Catholic Christianity.
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Post by Rodney Farber on Jan 16, 2020 23:36:53 GMT
From "Citizen Ruth": Ruth, a pregnant drug addict, is considering an abortion. Ruth is confronted by her mother.
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Post by clusium on Jan 17, 2020 1:06:20 GMT
Big deal. He wanted to get rid of "undesirable people." The argument for "pro choice" is that children are "wanted children," & that children that are or intended to be aborted are "unwanted children." Hitler hated the Catholic Church (as well as Christianity in general). His views had nothing in common with Catholic Christianity. Of course it is a big deal, because the bigotry, prejudice and sociopathy of both the CC and Hitler operate on the same sphere you big silly. They were\are about control, power and ignorance.
If a woman does not want her child and aborts, IT IS "unwanted". Who are you to say otherwise about the children she chooses to have or not have in her life? Bigotry prejudice, & sociopathy have NOTHING to do with the Catholic Church. Hitler hated the Church, because it opposed everything he believed in. There is no difference between a parent killing the child before it is born and after it is born. It is murder either way. It is evil either way.
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Post by clusium on Jan 17, 2020 1:24:48 GMT
Bigotry prejudice, & sociopathy have NOTHING to do with the Catholic Church. Hitler hated the Church, because it opposed everything he believed in. There is no difference between a parent killing the child before it is born and after it is born. It is murder either way. It is evil either way. I'd say the "ignorant" part of my post just flew right by you. Yes, telling others how they should live their lives and what phony savior they should believe in is evil. I see Hitler and the CC as no different. They are both about power and the misuse of it. That is why Hitler saw it as a threat. He wanted all the glory. Nah Cheesy, the ignorant part of your post is ALL OF IT. People living their lives the way they want to should not include taking other people's lives, which is exactly what abortion is: Murder. It is infanticide. Hitler & the Catholic Church are the polar opposite. One sought out to destroy. The other is about living freely & righteously.
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Post by clusium on Jan 17, 2020 1:33:15 GMT
Nah Cheesy, the ignorant part of your post is ALL OF IT. People living their lives the way they want to should not include taking other people's lives, which is exactly what abortion is: Murder. It is infanticide. Hitler & the Catholic Church are the polar opposite. One sought out to destroy. The other is about living freely & righteously. Well, if living freely and righteously is the CC notion of it, and yours, then yes, I would go the polar opposite. I don't don't care to align myself with despots like Hitler or pedo priests.
That you would call any woman who has had an abortion evil and a murderer, goes to show what a nasty sociopathic character you really are. I wouldn't trust you as far as I could throw you.
I wouldn't align myself with despots or pedophiles either, be they priests, teachers, health care professionals (doctors, nurses, etc), either. Calling abortion what it is, is only speaking the truth. Abortion is the taking of human life. Abortion is infanticide. You may not like it, but, that is exactly what it is.
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Post by goz on Jan 17, 2020 2:28:23 GMT
I'd say the "ignorant" part of my post just flew right by you. Yes, telling others how they should live their lives and what phony savior they should believe in is evil. I see Hitler and the CC as no different. They are both about power and the misuse of it. That is why Hitler saw it as a threat. He wanted all the glory. Nah Cheesy, the ignorant part of your post is ALL OF IT. People living their lives the way they want to should not include taking other people's lives, which is exactly what abortion is: Murder. It is infanticide. Hitler & the Catholic Church are the polar opposite. One sought out to destroy. The other is about living freely & righteously. Why did God kill my unborn 'children'?
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Post by clusium on Jan 17, 2020 4:41:57 GMT
I wouldn't align myself with despots or pedophiles either, be they priests, teachers, health care professionals (doctors, nurses, etc), either. Calling abortion what it is, is only speaking the truth. Abortion is the taking of human life. Abortion is infanticide. You may not like it, but, that is exactly what it is. So why are you Catholic then?
So what exactly do you propose to do to all those evil murdering women that have had abortions? Condemn them to hell? Yes, nice Catholic\Christian you have turned out to be. Your comments speak volumes about the duplicitous nature of your mindset, which you believe is truth. Christ would be mortified.
There are pedos in all groups, Cheesy. The Catholic Church condemns rape as a serious sin. It's not my place to pass judgement on anybody who has had an abortion. There again, it is not my place to pass judgement on ANYBODY, regardless of what they did in life. I pray that God Has Divine Mercy on everybody, myself included.
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Post by clusium on Jan 17, 2020 4:44:32 GMT
Nah Cheesy, the ignorant part of your post is ALL OF IT. People living their lives the way they want to should not include taking other people's lives, which is exactly what abortion is: Murder. It is infanticide. Hitler & the Catholic Church are the polar opposite. One sought out to destroy. The other is about living freely & righteously. Why did God kill my unborn 'children'? God also Killed 2 of my mother's sisters & 1 of her brothers, back when she was a child (actually, 2 of those siblings died before my mother was even born; the third one died at 6 weeks of age).
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Post by goz on Jan 17, 2020 5:17:56 GMT
Why did God kill my unborn 'children'? God also Killed 2 of my mother's sisters & 1 of her brothers, back when she was a child (actually, 2 of those siblings died before my mother was even born; the third one died at 6 weeks of age). No, I mean why did God kill my unborn children?
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Post by clusium on Jan 17, 2020 5:20:31 GMT
God also Killed 2 of my mother's sisters & 1 of her brothers, back when she was a child (actually, 2 of those siblings died before my mother was even born; the third one died at 6 weeks of age). No, I mean why did God kill my unborn children? You'll have to ask Him yourself.
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Post by goz on Jan 17, 2020 6:08:28 GMT
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Post by phludowin on Jan 17, 2020 7:04:25 GMT
You are coming from delusion, over something that isn't a part or aspect of your world. It DOES NOT affect you. It is a game you are playing and you DO NOT impress me with your phony sense of compassion and empathy. The world is full of children that breeders need not have. This is the main impact on the environment, not climate change, which the source of it comes from excessive human population. You are also coming from a space of religious dogma, which also makes you a clown. The only clown I see around here is you, Toasty. So sorry to hear that you think that all these millions of children in the world should not exist. Adolf Hitler would be very proud of you right now. Hitler was anti-choice and anti-abortion. In fact, the most restrictive anti-choice laws in Germany were implemented during the Third Reich. Hitler also signed a deal with the Catholic Church, the Reichskonkordat. Why am I not surprised that anti-choicers are ignorant of history?
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Post by goz on Jan 17, 2020 7:13:18 GMT
The only clown I see around here is you, Toasty. So sorry to hear that you think that all these millions of children in the world should not exist. Adolf Hitler would be very proud of you right now. Hitler was anti-choice and anti-abortion. In fact, the most restrictive anti-choice laws in Germany were implemented during the Third Reich. Hitler also signed a deal with the Catholic Church, the Reichskonkordat. Why am I not surprised that anti-choicers are ignorant of history? Yet THEIR God killed five of my unborn babies! Hitler was well dead by then.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 7:27:25 GMT
Hitler was anti-choice and anti-abortion. In fact, the most restrictive anti-choice laws in Germany were implemented during the Third Reich. Hitler also signed a deal with the Catholic Church, the Reichskonkordat. Why am I not surprised that anti-choicers are ignorant of history? Yet THEIR God killed five of my unborn babies! First, God didn't kill your unborn babies. If you want to know more about the reason you miscarried, you need to ask a specialist at the hospital. Tragedies happen, but God is with us in our grief, as well as our happiness. To quote Dostoevsky "The deeper the grief, the closer is God". And you don't seem to quite understand Catholicism. Nobody is going to condemn somebody to hell for having an abortion... Life happens, nobody is perfect, we have the Sacrament of Reconciliation.
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