The Buffy/Angel Thread

It's the one spinoff that really could have worked and still could, given that Eliza Dushku isn't that old.

I've personally always had this idea in my head that they could still do a reunion series (especially now that David Boreanaz is finally free--20 years straight of being a leading man on TV!) if they discarded the godawful comics (I'd be thankful if they got decanonized) and perhaps explained away the vampires aging via Wolfram & Hart making the vampire(s) alive/Shanshu'd in a holding dimension for many years. That would be my preferred way of dealing with that issue.

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Some of the makings of Ripper (the title of the proposed Giles spinoff) did end up in Angel & Faith season 9 (comics--Angel & Faith and especially Angel: After the Fall are the only canon comics I can stomach). Giles' immortal great-aunts were once part of Ripper. Tony Head, IMO, could still do it. That Giles' soul was still owned by Eyghon and Angel ends up saving Giles from that fate was actually one of the better things in the comics that is worthy of being used as a plotline again. It might be better to skip the Harry Potter-esque kiddie!Giles, though.

My one condition for any possible reunion project, however, is that they avoid the route of the Potentials-turned-Slayers filling up all the space. The less of the baby Slayers and Andrew, the better. It would have to instead focus on the main characters from BOTH shows. And the vampires would be mandatory (sorry, but the reunion really couldn't survive without them) with neither one getting completely screwed over (season 8 is what NOT to do). What befell the Fang Gang with Wolfram & Hart's wrath is probably the easiest way to explain the aging. Another fun idea would be to have a Fray crossover, but where Angel, Spike and Illyria are actually hundreds of years in the future. That would be an amazing twist. There was actually a panel in Angel: After the Fall where Illyria was using her wonky time-warping on Angel's timestream, which not only resulted in baby Liam, but also Angel in Fray's future world.

The fact that the whole ordeal with Wolfram & Hart is far from dealt with makes them the #1 choice for Big Bads yet to be vanquished. The fact that Wesley signed the Wolfram & Hart perpetuity clause is a great excuse to reuse the idea of him being an enslaved ghost or perhaps a regular undead employee. And I'm always up for some undead Lilah.

And... I'm one of the few that has always adored the Angel/Connor father/son relationship (it's a reversal of Liam's own relationship with his father) and thought it was one of the best things in After the Fall. I was very upset when it looked like Connor had been killed in Hell-A, which of course catalyzed the plot twist (the reunion was one of the greatest moments in the comics that are now a case of diminishing returns).

Yeah... I really do feel like AtS had so much more left to tell, whereas I feel like BtVS wrote itself into a corner with the rewrite of what it means to be a Slayer instead of THE Slayer.

Fray would also be an interesting spinoff idea. As would a Tales of the Slayers/Vampires-esque anthology series of various past Slayers and Vampires throughout history. That would be amazing.

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There already exists a dhampire-like character that is human with all the abilities of a vampire minus the actual vampirism: Connor. Except he's the son of two vampires (Angel and Darla).

I've always been fascinated with the idea of Buffy having to deal with something like motherhood. She occasionally scoffs at the idea (don't get me started on the abortion PSA in one of the comics, though at least Spike argued for Buffy to keep the baby-that-wasn't seeing as he can't have children and would like to play family--all negated by the fact that Buffy was a robot), but if you actually listen more closely to the conversation that Angel and Buffy have in Bad Eggs on the subject of Buffy having a normal life with children, marriage, etc..., she only denies that she wants kids after she finds out that Angel can't have them and actually sounds disappointed by the revelation that vampires can't have kids (except the one time they did, of course). Her excuses about her age and killing her goldfish are almost like she's reassuring Angel that she doesn't care about those things because he can't have them and clearly speaks on multiple occasions about how much he does want those things for both Buffy and himself. Bad Eggs, The Prom and War Zone all include Angel talking about wanting children or wanting Buffy to have children, get married and have a normal life because he can't.

If ever there was a way to grow the character of Buffy up into a mature adult (something the comics have wholly failed to do to an excruciating degree--I'm SO tired of Buffy being lost in life, being in an endless repetition of the same "learning to grow up" plots over and over and not doing anything to bring about a real future or adulthood--it's like the regressed Buffy of seasons 6-7 forever), it would be something as radical as making her the mother of a Slayer. And, despite all the 'shipper wars, I think most would have to concede that Angel is the most fatherly and focused on that subject of all of Buffy's love interests. And hey, the kid would have a big brother not born at all and raised in a hell dimension and an aunt who is a mystical glowy energy dimensional key--and both suddenly showed up as teenagers. Angel and Buffy would hardly be alone in the weird family! ...And speaking of which, I completely headcanon Dawn and Connor together. LMAO.