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Post by mslo79 on Jan 10, 2020 5:57:52 GMT
Yeah, I always had the opinion that say 1950's through the 1980's you can basically notice changes as the decades pass but by the 1990's, especially late 1990's (since in my opinion the earlier part of each decade still kind of resembles the previous decade) to around 2000-ish, things start to more resemble today. sure, tech has changed a bit from the 1990's to 2000's to 2010's. but overall they do seem quite similar as things are not more distinct like it was in say the 1950's through the 1980's (and maybe a bit into the 1990's).
p.s. for the record... the 1990's to date makes up a high percentage (I think it was around 80%+) of my favorite movies in general. although in terms of more distinct look etc I tend to favor pre-1990's.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Jan 10, 2020 6:05:05 GMT
Yeah, I was watching Pulp Fiction recently. For a movie over 25 years old, there isn’t much to show its age.
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Post by mslo79 on Jan 10, 2020 7:24:10 GMT
Popeye DoyleYeah, if it was not for us being able to tell the actors have aged since then, it could pass for a movie made a bit more recently. or one could look at it this way... A)2019 vs 1994 = 25 years B)1994 vs 1969 = 25 years Option A is quite similar to today where as Option B is a much more dramatic/distinct change.
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Post by wmcclain on Jan 10, 2020 13:15:52 GMT
When I started writing little capsule film reviews I began with pre-1979 titles. Then added the 1980s to my range, then years later, the 1990s.
I need the distance of time before I have anything to say.
The 1980s were rich with small, quirky independent films, what with the collapse of certain studio structures and the rise of the home video market, replacing the old drive-in market for indie makers.
Things do change in the 1990s. Everything is so professional. It's not that all the movies look alike, but they are so polished, so calculated. Entertainment product, as people say. Reviewable films become harder to find.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 10, 2020 13:36:47 GMT
When I started writing little capsule film reviews I began with pre-1979 titles. Then added the 1980s to my range, then years later, the 1990s. I need the distance of time before I have anything to say. The 1980s were rich with small, quirky independent films, what with the collapse of certain studio structures and the rise of the home video market, replacing the old drive-in market for indie makers. Things do change in the 1990s. Everything is so professional. It's not that all the movies look alike, but they are so polished, so calculated. Entertainment product, as people say. Reviewable films become harder to find. What? The 90s are considered one of the best decades in film. There was an explosion of independent films in the 90s. Oscar bait films have been the same since roughly the 80s, that hasn't changed. I'd say the noticeable difference in 90s film is the introduction of CGI, most of which is extremely dated by today's standards obviously. Some of it, like T2 for example, still holds up though.
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Post by Xcalatë on Jan 10, 2020 16:14:20 GMT
Agreed and if you compare them from things from the 80s and earlier its a huge difference.
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Post by bd74 on Jan 10, 2020 19:23:22 GMT
I was just thinking about that a few days ago, but not specifically about movies. Thinking back to the clothing styles and hairstyles from the 90s compared to today, things haven't changed much at all.
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Post by Prime etc. on Jan 10, 2020 22:34:46 GMT
It feels like the 90s and beyond merge together. Like a time compression. Partly due to media centralization I suspect. Tight filter on what can be seen and done, so not much room for innovation and trends. Ironically as liberalization increases, there's a sense of conservative design--tight control on imagination and content.
I see the 80s as a long time ago, but 90s to 2000s, it doesn't feel like much happened in those decades that marked the time oddly enough. 10 years ago seems a lot shorter than how I would have assessed "10 years ago" in 2010 or 2000.
Movie-wise, and this is obvious by people's lists, there is hardly anything that counts as old fashioned exploitation or crowdpleasing now--it's all corporation-designed product--whether it is tentpole or Oscar season or even foreign film. Even horror is now a corporate commodity. It used to be the most grass-roots film genre.
In 1990 no one in the West would be thinking about a Korean-made film as the best film of the year-and if they did, it was likely to be an exploitation film--not a message film about class divide. More often than not when a film is judged these days it is judged primarily on the message.
The Joker "an important film about mental illness."
Where do I line up?
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Post by gw on Jan 10, 2020 23:29:15 GMT
This may be true for live action films but for animation the situation is a bit different. In the 90's hand drawn animation was the main form of theatrical animation whereas now it's 3D computer animation. But unfortunately the perception of animation being mainly for children hasn't changed much, at least in American animation. I would have thought that now that CGI has broken the realism barrier that people would have some respect for animation by now.
I would argue that with cars you can tell the difference. Station wagons don't really exist anymore and even if the cars are bland, the styles of cars have changed a fair amount on a surface level. There has been a general commercialist environment that resists change like the fact that very few companies control most radio stations and live music venues in the US. Also, the infrastructure is outmoded because most of the current Republicans don't want the Democrats to look good so they vote against bills that would benefit us all if they think it would benefit the Democrats. I don't want to put all the blame on one party and I won't ignore how Obama gave green energy money to his political bedfellows and supporters whose companies ended up failing.
I think that there are other reasons that things haven't changed much. There is a certain point you reach where new looks deviate so much from common people's preferences that they don't feel like changing the status quo much anymore. Most people wouldn't like a home that looks like a Frank Gehry building for example so there's not been much change. Most people want rectilinear home designs and that's what they get. For things like mainstream airlines' airplane design there's not been much change because the companies care more about business than anything else, at least Boeing does. They moved their headquarters to Chicago which complicated the airplane manufacturing and probably led to many of the faults that caused multiple airplane crashes with the 737 Maxes.
I suspect that we will see some bigger changes soon as store retail does its best to compete with online retail. And surveillance and sousveillance will surely change things more and more as time goes on. I wonder what things would look like if so many major corporations like banks and auto manufacturers weren't bailed out in the late 00's and things were allowed to progress naturally. I suspect that our society would have changed to a greater degree. That's all I have to say, loose thoughts on various aspects of the times then and now.
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Post by sostie on Jan 10, 2020 23:31:00 GMT
Yeah, I was watching Pulp Fiction recently. For a movie over 25 years old, there isn’t much to show its age. I find that with all his (non "historical") films. Apart from some of the technology on show (mobile phones for example) it's not easy to pin down when they are set
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Post by jamesbamesy on Jan 10, 2020 23:43:37 GMT
I feel like when you watch a movie pre-1990 you can feel its age. Although it doesn’t bother me at all. It also depends on the film itself like how it’s shot, looks like, what tropes are found etc.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 11, 2020 3:18:05 GMT
How many movies from the 90's are watched that are modern day dramas not set in a work environment?
I think Pulp Fiction doesn't look that odd because they were dressed odd or simple in the first place.
I also think that styles are more varied, not that style is not happening anymore. In the 21st century, you see people dressing like they're in the 50's and whatnot.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 11, 2020 3:44:10 GMT
I disagree, 90s cars look waaay different than the ones from today (compare a 1999 Honda Civic to a modern one, they're nothing alike). Also a lot of fashion from that era is obviously very 90s:  |
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Post by mslo79 on Jan 12, 2020 9:46:57 GMT
lowtacks86I agree that fairly recently the 1990's vehicles are starting to become more noticeable vs fairly recent cars. but at the same time even cars were more real cars back in the day as I would say by roughly the 1980's into the 1990's cars started to become more like modern ones in their overall look/function/size etc as prior to around the 1980's and 1990's, they where more bulky/heavy duty/old school looking unlike today's which are more fragile. so it's not just specific things (like what you mention here, as you got a point to some degree that I agree with) but more of a overall look/feel (I guess maybe this is one of those things you either see or you don't(?)) and in that regard the 1990's is largely like today unlike the 1950's through the 1980's which things are more distinct. I agree to some degree, but mainly early 1990's which still sort of feels a bit like late 1980's as I think by the late 1990's things start to more heavily resemble the 2000's to date. because as I have said in my initial post I think each decade sort of carries over into the next to some degree for a while and I think that's the case with the early 1990's still having a bit of late-1980's in it to a degree.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Jan 12, 2020 9:52:58 GMT
1990s is modern times
Modern Times are the period from Enlightenment and the 18th century until today.
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