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Post by Marv on Feb 21, 2020 17:15:25 GMT
There is. It reminds me of a classic King idea by about episode 5. Once you know...at least somewhat...what the threat really is.Ā I'm caught up. He is definitely revisiting common themes. Love the Cynthia Erivo character. She actually feels like the lead. I'm not really feeling the supernatural aspects of it as they feel more routine. The mystery is definitely the strong point. Yea I immediately took to her character and having read Mr Mercedes, of which her character also appears, I think she does a great job of portraying her idiosyncrasies and general oddness.
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Post by Vassaggo on Feb 22, 2020 13:10:59 GMT
The first 1/3rd to 1/2 of the book was to set up the closed door mystery. No possible way he could be in 2 places at once + forensics evidence. Introducing Holly made me think there might be a more strongly grounded resolution to that mystery. (considering the first 2 books of the Bill Hodges Trilogy) I knew there was a strong possibility that the supernatural was going to be the key to solving it. (I mean it is Stephen King) I just, I don't know, geared myself up hoping it wasn't. When the elements started to fall that way I was disappointed. Not so much that I didn't enjoy the book, just didn't fill my wants from the beginning.
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Post by 5hole on Feb 22, 2020 17:57:22 GMT
When Jason Bateman dies so does the show. Comically bad.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 12:42:16 GMT
I have enjoyed the show so far but I am kinda disappointed they didn't make it a sequel to 'Mr Mercedes' and kept the same actress who played Holly Gibney 'cause the show had been going for three seasons and with Holly set to appear in Stephen King's next book I am wondering if they will use this actress or there will be a third actress play Holly if it gets adapted.
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Post by CoolJGSāŗ on Mar 1, 2020 4:38:53 GMT
I have enjoyed the show so far but I am kinda disappointed they didn't make it a sequel to 'Mr Mercedes' and kept the same actress who played Holly Gibney 'cause the show had been going for three seasons and with Holly set to appear in Stephen King's next book I am wondering if they will use this actress or there will be a third actress play Holly if it gets adapted. That's in King's court as he will likely give it to the highest bidder.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 9, 2020 14:17:23 GMT
Full spoilers ahead.
Loved the show at the outset though it lost steam as it went along. The finale was underwhelming, but I was prepared for it at that point. I have no familiarity with the source material but it's a brilliant concept. I thought the show should've focused more on Holly and her dynamic with the creature. There are a few good scenes in the finale, and I'm glad it didn't answer every question; a story like this should be left open to some degree. But there wasn't enough emotional impact for all involved parties in the end. Mendelsohn's character seemed to forget this thing came to his home and threatened his wife; it ruined the lives of people he knew and respected. The final confrontation should've been more personal for him.
Again, I would've liked to see Holly actually deliver her line about how an outsider can always recognize an outsider to the creature itself. It should've been more interested in her because of how interested she was in it as the story unfolds. That brings up another gripe. Why not kill her or Ralph at any time? They were the ones closing in on it. It knew they were dangerous, it even visited Ralph's wife to tell him to stop. It makes no sense. It fed off the misery of the Peterson family but left the Maitlands alone for the most part. Sure it visited the girl, but it didn't do anything to them. It didn't drive them crazy like the Petersons. It feeds on sadness yet it largely avoided Ralph and his wife (other than threatening her the one time), despite the fact that they're still grieving the loss of their son. Why not have Jack blow them all away at that first meeting where Holly revealed his presence?
The corniest part was the mid credit sequence. I'm going with the interpretation that the scratch happened in the cave-in because the only time she was near the creature it was incapacitated and dying, and surely she would've felt it scratch her. Honestly I was hoping for an open ending, where you're left wondering if it's truly over; but not like that. That was B horror movie schlock. Again, I think the creature should've been fascinated with her (is she high functioning autistic, which is a superpower in Hollywood, or is she supposed to be psychic? I don't know) as someone the creature knew he couldn't mimic. Some things are one of a kind.
All that said, I still enjoyed the show overall and they did some good things in the finale. I like Ralph asking what else is out there, and Holly replying, "I don't know." As disappointing as the finale was, I'd definitely watch another season if they brought back the central characters (new threat, obviously).
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Post by Morgana on Mar 11, 2020 9:17:03 GMT
Full spoilers ahead. Loved the show at the outset though it lost steam as it went along. The finale was underwhelming, but I was prepared for it at that point. I have no familiarity with the source material but it's a brilliant concept. I thought the show should've focused more on Holly and her dynamic with the creature. There are a few good scenes in the finale, and I'm glad it didn't answer every question; a story like this should be left open to some degree. But there wasn't enough emotional impact for all involved parties in the end. Mendelsohn's character seemed to forget this thing came to his home and threatened his wife; it ruined the lives of people he knew and respected. The final confrontation should've been more personal for him. Again, I would've liked to see Holly actually deliver her line about how an outsider can always recognize an outsider to the creature itself. It should've been more interested in her because of how interested she was in it as the story unfolds. That brings up another gripe. Why not kill her or Ralph at any time? They were the ones closing in on it. It knew they were dangerous, it even visited Ralph's wife to tell him to stop. It makes no sense. It fed off the misery of the Peterson family but left the Maitlands alone for the most part. Sure it visited the girl, but it didn't do anything to them. It didn't drive them crazy like the Petersons. It feeds on sadness yet it largely avoided Ralph and his wife (other than threatening her the one time), despite the fact that they're still grieving the loss of their son. Why not have Jack blow them all away at that first meeting where Holly revealed his presence? The corniest part was the mid credit sequence. I'm going with the interpretation that the scratch happened in the cave-in because the only time she was near the creature it was incapacitated and dying, and surely she would've felt it scratch her. Honestly I was hoping for an open ending, where you're left wondering if it's truly over; but not like that. That was B horror movie schlock. Again, I think the creature should've been fascinated with her (is she high functioning autistic, which is a superpower in Hollywood, or is she supposed to be psychic? I don't know) as someone the creature knew he couldn't mimic. Some things are one of a kind. All that said, I still enjoyed the show overall and they did some good things in the finale. I like Ralph asking what else is out there, and Holly replying, "I don't know." As disappointing as the finale was, I'd definitely watch another season if they brought back the central characters (new threat, obviously). I agree with what you've said. It was anti-climactic. They should have fired some shots in the cave, near the entrance, to stop the creature ever getting out, just in case it can't die. Showing us the scratch on Holly's arm was just meaningless, in my opinion. It didn't add anything to the ending.
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Post by CoolJGSāŗ on Mar 11, 2020 11:52:12 GMT
I was fine with the ending ( Didnāt see the end credit scene though).
As I said already I did like the mystery part more than the supernatural one.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 11, 2020 11:57:36 GMT
I like how Ralph threatens the supernatural creature a slow death via scientists cutting pieces from its body to study it. Agreed, probably my favorite line of the episode. Dropping the F bomb in there for emphasis. (Paraphrasing) "They'd probably end up fucking cutting pieces off of you for years..." Ultimately though, it's another decision that makes no sense. Proving the creature's existence is the only real way to completely exonerate Terry. And if the public knows these things are out there, they'd be better prepared to deal with them. Think of how many falsely accused people he could've saved, assuming more creatures like this exist. I would've called the CDC from the cave entrance.
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Post by President Ackbarā¢ on Mar 11, 2020 17:13:27 GMT
I like how Ralph threatens the supernatural creature a slow death via scientists cutting pieces from its body to study it. Agreed, probably my favorite line of the episode. Dropping the F bomb in there for emphasis. (Paraphrasing) "They'd probably end up fucking cutting pieces off of you for years..." Ultimately though, it's another decision that makes no sense. Proving the creature's existence is the only real way to completely exonerate Terry. And if the public knows these things are out there, they'd be better prepared to deal with them. Think of how many falsely accused people he could've saved, assuming more creatures like this exist. I would've called the CDC from the cave entrance. the Containment of Demonic Creatures? Also, I did not see the scratch. Was it the last thing they showed? All I saw was hair. How could it mimic her anyway... it's dead.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 11, 2020 17:47:13 GMT
Agreed, probably my favorite line of the episode. Dropping the F bomb in there for emphasis. (Paraphrasing) "They'd probably end up fucking cutting pieces off of you for years..." Ultimately though, it's another decision that makes no sense. Proving the creature's existence is the only real way to completely exonerate Terry. And if the public knows these things are out there, they'd be better prepared to deal with them. Think of how many falsely accused people he could've saved, assuming more creatures like this exist. I would've called the CDC from the cave entrance. the Containment of Demonic Creatures? Also, I did not see the scratch. Was it the last thing they showed? All I saw was hair. How could it mimic her anyway... it's dead. The scratch was on her arm at the end. Yeah it sure seemed dead after he smashed its head, but the scratch I think was supposed to be a, "Is it really over?" kind of wink to the audience. Hammy way to do it if you ask me. Another thing I just remembered, what was the deal with Ralph seeing the dead people? Was that just his conscience, because that seemed to convince him to turn around and finish off the creature. Odd thing to introduce at the very end of the story. I know he saw his son once, but that was much earlier in the story and it was a dream. He was awake here, and suddenly having visions of dead people. Odd choice, not sure how that plays out in the source material.
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Post by President Ackbarā¢ on Mar 11, 2020 17:49:06 GMT
the Containment of Demonic Creatures? Also, I did not see the scratch. Was it the last thing they showed? All I saw was hair. How could it mimic her anyway... it's dead. The scratch was on her arm at the end. Yeah it sure seemed dead after he smashed its head, but the scratch I think was supposed to be a, "Is it really over?" kind of wink to the audience. Hammy way to do it if you ask me. Another thing I just remembered, what was the deal with Ralph seeing the dead people? Was that just his conscience, because that seemed to convince him to turn around and finish off the creature. Odd thing to introduce at the very end of the story. I know he saw his son once, but that was much earlier in the story and it was a dream. He was awake here, and suddenly having visions of dead people. Odd choice, not sure how that plays out in the source material. Pretty sure that was evidence the creature was alive, and trying to influence / control him. Remember when Jack saw and got beat up by his imaginary mother?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 11, 2020 17:53:19 GMT
The scratch was on her arm at the end. Yeah it sure seemed dead after he smashed its head, but the scratch I think was supposed to be a, "Is it really over?" kind of wink to the audience. Hammy way to do it if you ask me. Another thing I just remembered, what was the deal with Ralph seeing the dead people? Was that just his conscience, because that seemed to convince him to turn around and finish off the creature. Odd thing to introduce at the very end of the story. I know he saw his son once, but that was much earlier in the story and it was a dream. He was awake here, and suddenly having visions of dead people. Odd choice, not sure how that plays out in the source material. Pretty sure that was evidence the creature was alive, and trying to influence / control him. Remember when Jack saw and got beat up by his imaginary mother? Well that backfired on him. Stupid creature. Why are demonic creatures always so dumb?
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Post by CoolJGSāŗ on Mar 12, 2020 11:21:20 GMT
the Containment of Demonic Creatures? Also, I did not see the scratch. Was it the last thing they showed? All I saw was hair. How could it mimic her anyway... it's dead. Another thing I just remembered, what was the deal with Ralph seeing the dead people? Was that just his conscience, because that seemed to convince him to turn around and finish off the creature. Odd thing to introduce at the very end of the story. I know he saw his son once, but that was much earlier in the story and it was a dream. He was awake here, and suddenly having visions of dead people. Odd choice, not sure how that plays out in the source material. Since he saw the projections, he knew the guy was alive. I think because the brothers auras were so strong, Cuco couldn't even control it as he would have wanted them to think he was dead.
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Post by Marv on Mar 26, 2020 23:21:00 GMT
Finished it finally. I enjoyed it. It felt King to me and Iāve been a big fan of his for years now.
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Post by Vits on Nov 10, 2020 17:51:39 GMT
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Nov 10, 2020 18:48:19 GMT
Hated it. My favorite character in any of King's books is Holly Gibney. In the books she's a shy, neurotic but sweet girl who knows her way around the internet and can find out any info on anyone. She becomes involved will Bill Hodges when her sister (Hodges GF) is killed by the Mercedes Killer in Mr. Mercedes. Like I said, a very loveable character. Yet the Outsider series felt the need to turn her into a foul mouthed alcoholic. WHY? Its like turning Hannibal Lecher into a gentle vegetarian.
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Post by forca84 on Nov 11, 2020 18:20:02 GMT
Season 2 was declined at HBO. But is currently being shipped around.
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Post by CoolJGSāŗ on Nov 11, 2020 19:36:52 GMT
I was good with one season
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Post by Vits on Nov 11, 2020 20:02:33 GMT
Season 2 was declined at HBO. But is currently being shipped around. Thanks, but I already wrote that.
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