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Post by Fox in the Snow on Jan 14, 2020 6:16:45 GMT
Well considering they now nominate 8-10 films for Best Picture, a few of them a going to have to miss out unless they up the director category to 10 also. It happened even when there was only 5 of each too though. It can certainly be defended though. One great movie might be great more because of the writing and one more because of the directing. Gravity or 1917 for example. The writing is good, but it is the directing that makes those movies as good as they are. I mean you can have two actors in a room with a great screenplay, but why would you give a best director nomination to that movie over something that relies much more on feats of visionary filmmaking for example, even if the latter has a screenplay that isn't as good as the former? Very true. I was just making the point that now it's pretty much impossible for all BP nominated films to also get a nod for Direction.
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Post by moviemouth on Jan 14, 2020 6:20:43 GMT
It happened even when there was only 5 of each too though. It can certainly be defended though. One great movie might be great more because of the writing and one more because of the directing. Gravity or 1917 for example. The writing is good, but it is the directing that makes those movies as good as they are. I mean you can have two actors in a room with a great screenplay, but why would you give a best director nomination to that movie over something that relies much more on feats of visionary filmmaking for example, even if the latter has a screenplay that isn't as good as the former? Very true. I was just making the point that now it's pretty much impossible for all BP nominated films to also get a nod for Direction. Obviously. I don't even know why that would need to be pointed out, which is why I mentioned that it happened before they added more BP nominees. This is more a question for the user you were replying to.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 14, 2020 8:30:45 GMT
I will be seeing it next weekend, but I am pretty much certain it won't change my mind about her exclusion. I think you have the blinkers on regarding Gerwig and want to have a phony sentimental pity party over her exclusion for direction. Considering all those films and actors and technicians that got snubbed, Gerwig did very well with nominations for her film, even nabbing her a screenplay nom. And please don't ever tell me something is the end of story. This is an open chat thread which is open to any comment. Talk about entitlement.
You're the one with the entitlement problem, not me. You seem to enjoy hurling insults every which way you can, including toward me. Saying I have blinkers on and want to have a "Phony sentimental pity party" and, earlier, "It was the 'woke' pc agenda that instigated this and was as brazen and obvious as your own indignation."-- honestly?? Enough already.
I don't care whether you like Gerwig's film or not. Take it or leave it. But I'm done with your insults. So, for me, it is the end of the story.
You seemed offended by the truth, not to mention a tad childish. Now tell me. If Gerwig was to have been nominated, who would she replace? What entitlement or privilege over the other nominees does Gerwig deserve more?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 14, 2020 8:40:41 GMT
I also wonder why Best Director doesnt automatically get nominated if they also have Best Picture. Surely a best picture movie has to also be directed very well? Well considering they now nominate 8-10 films for Best Picture, a few of them a going to have to miss out unless they up the director category to 10 also. The big problem, and the beef with some over these awards show, is that they are passively forced into some competition with each other when they didn’t ask to be. It is all ego. It is just part of the pomp and ceremony though and has no absolute meaning. Subjective best is not truth. I do feel though, and this has already been pointed out, that if the film is considered best picture worthy, it should also be best director worthy by default. It makes more rational sense to my mind to then give ALL best picture noms a director nod. It can then be decided on during voting process who will get picture and who will get director. Could be the same, could be split as sometimes happens.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 14, 2020 8:56:53 GMT
Well considering they now nominate 8-10 films for Best Picture, a few of them a going to have to miss out unless they up the director category to 10 also. It happened even when there was only 5 of each too though. It can certainly be defended though. One great movie might be great more because of the writing and one more because of the directing. Gravity or 1917 for example. The writing is good, but it is the directing that makes those movies as good as they are. I mean you can have two actors in a room with a great screenplay, but why would you give a best director nomination to that movie over something that relies much more on feats of visionary filmmaking for example, even if the latter has a screenplay that isn't as good as the former. I feel 1979 is a good example of this to my mind based on winning. Kramer vs Kramer won best picture and best director. This was the year of Apocalypse Now. I can understand KvK winning picture. It was popular and relatable and many viewers loved it and I don't really have an issue with its picture award. However, in lieu of AN, was KvK really the best directed film? Could Robert Benton have brought Coppola's epic vision to the screen, or could many directors have done what he achieved with the same results? Coppola could have done Benton's film in a heartbeat.
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Post by Vits on Jan 14, 2020 8:58:04 GMT
Gerwig is talented but was undeservedly nominated for direction for the insipid and over-praised Lady Bird a couple of years ago. Oh, did the screen go to black by accident and you were only able to listen to the movie's audio? How else would you have not seen the great work she did? It was the "woke" pc agenda that instigated this and was a brazen and obvious as your own indignation. Sigh... If that was true, why isn't she nominated now? Why haven't more female directors have been nominated since? I will be seeing it next weekend, but I am pretty much certain it won't change my mind about her exclusion. Then don't watch it. What's the point? don't ever tell me something is the end of story. This is an open chat thread which is open to any comment. I agree.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 14, 2020 9:06:28 GMT
Gerwig is talented but was undeservedly nominated for direction for the insipid and over-praised Lady Bird a couple of years ago. Oh, did the screen go to black by accident and you were only able to listen to the movie's audio? How else would you have not seen the great work she did? It was the "woke" pc agenda that instigated this and was a brazen and obvious as your own indignation. Sigh... If that was true, why isn't she nominated now? Why haven't more female directors have been nominated since? I will be seeing it next weekend, but I am pretty much certain it won't change my mind about her exclusion. Then don't watch it. What's the point? don't ever tell me something is the end of story. This is an open chat thread which is open to any comment. I agree. I think based on your other reviews of films past and your own sarcasm here, I think I understand context a little better than you do. Lady Bird was NOTHING exceptional either. If you think it was, then that is your call, but don't expect me to take on board what you say seriously because I am not on the same wavelength here.
Why would I not want to bother watching a film that I am interested in seeing, just because of lack of a director nom? I haven't seen all the best picture noms yet and I doubt I will, I may come away thinking that she was deserving, but when you have 9 films for picture and only 5 slots for director, someone has to miss out. Gerwig CANNOT complain about the praise her film has received, considering others lost more than she did in the nomination announcements. Netflix films have stolen about 24 nominations away from genuine theatrical release films too. At least hers was an authentic cinema release.
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Post by Vits on Jan 14, 2020 10:50:40 GMT
I think based on your other reviews of films past and your own sarcasm here, I think I understand context a little better than you do. Lady Bird was NOTHING exceptional either. If you think it was, then that is your call, but don't expect me to take on board what you say seriously because I am not on the same wavelength here. Yes, you've seen me write reviews where my grade is different than others', but I always express my opinions as such. I never make generalized claims unless there's something to back it up. This isn't just about me loving Greta's directing work; this is about you being in the minority of people who don't like it and yet make claims like you were in the majority. I may come away thinking that she was deserving So now you're open-minded. Well, better late than never.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 14, 2020 10:59:45 GMT
I think based on your other reviews of films past and your own sarcasm here, I think I understand context a little better than you do. Lady Bird was NOTHING exceptional either. If you think it was, then that is your call, but don't expect me to take on board what you say seriously because I am not on the same wavelength here. Yes, you've seen me write reviews where my grade is different than others', but I always express my opinions as such. I never make generalized claims unless there's something to back it up. This isn't just about me loving Greta's directing work; this is about you being in the minority of people who don't like it and yet make claims like you were in the majority. I may come away thinking that she was deserving So now you're open-minded. Well, better late than never. So now you are generalising by claiming I’m in the minority of those who didn’t like Lady Bird. How could you possibly know that all those who saw LB, more liked it than didn’t? Based on what evidence and criteria? No, like anyone with an opinion, you state subjectively what you think and then claiming you back this up to give you more credence. That is just conceit and delusion. A couple of years ago, the entitled “Me Too” movement was in full swing. Gerwig’s film was riding off the back of this man hating movement. There were far better films than hers directed by males that deserved a director nod over her nothing coming of age film.
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Jan 14, 2020 11:22:04 GMT
Very true. I was just making the point that now it's pretty much impossible for all BP nominated films to also get a nod for Direction.Obviously. I don't even know why that would need to be pointed out, which is why I mentioned that it happened before they added more BP nominees. This is more a question for the user you were replying to. We'll wait and see I guess.
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Jan 14, 2020 11:34:22 GMT
Well considering they now nominate 8-10 films for Best Picture, a few of them a going to have to miss out unless they up the director category to 10 also. I do feel though, and this has already been pointed out, that if the film is considered best picture worthy, it should also be best director worthy by default. It makes more rational sense to my mind to then give ALL best picture noms a director nod. That's one way to look at it, but I guess it comes down to the voters in the end. The categories are voted for separately so there can be no guarantee a BP nom is going to get a Direction nom even if there are the same number of nominations in each category. I don't pay to much attention these days. So far of the nominations I've only seen Once Upon A Time in Hollywood.
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Post by Vits on Jan 14, 2020 12:07:19 GMT
How could you possibly know that all those who saw LB, more liked it than didn’t? Based on what evidence and criteria? Reviews, awards, box office, social media, online forums... A couple of years ago, the entitled “Me Too” movement was in full swing. The hashtag became trendy in October 2017, but it didn't really become a movement until January 2018 (they called it Time's Up). By then, LADY BIRD had already won a bunch of awards (including Best Directing). this man hating movement. Seriously?
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Post by faustus5 on Jan 14, 2020 12:33:37 GMT
this man hating movement. Seriously? It's pretty standard for misogynist pieces of shit to conclude that women who don't appreciate being sexually harassed must hate men. I mean, what other explanation could there be?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 14, 2020 14:02:14 GMT
I do feel though, and this has already been pointed out, that if the film is considered best picture worthy, it should also be best director worthy by default. It makes more rational sense to my mind to then give ALL best picture noms a director nod. That's one way to look at it, but I guess it comes down to the voters in the end. The categories are voted for separately so there can be no guarantee a BP nom is going to get a Direction nom even if there are the same number of nominations in each category.I don't pay to much attention these days. So far of the nominations I've only seen Once Upon A Time in Hollywood. The directors branch no need to vote on best director for nominations. Once picture is voted for in the nomination process, and I believe that is the entire academy for picture nominations, then a director nod automatically goes with it. It then gets voted as per usual for winning ballots. It shouldn't matter how many other nominations a film gets.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 14, 2020 14:04:36 GMT
How could you possibly know that all those who saw LB, more liked it than didn’t? Based on what evidence and criteria? Reviews, awards, box office, social media, online forums... A couple of years ago, the entitled “Me Too” movement was in full swing. The hashtag became trendy in October 2017, but it didn't really become a movement until January 2018 (they called it Time's Up). By then, LADY BIRD had already won a bunch of awards (including Best Directing). this man hating movement. Seriously? Yes seriously! Do you have some point somewhere vits?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 14, 2020 14:08:04 GMT
It's pretty standard for misogynist pieces of shit to conclude that women who don't appreciate being sexually harassed must hate men. I mean, what other explanation could there be? It's pretty standard for a phony pompous git like you to pretend that he really cares and gets outraged to pretend that he is so f<>king virtuous and compassionate. Yes, we know because of how a handful of douchbags can treat women, it puts them all into the same box. Does this pitch really work for you with women? You are as transparent and as wrongheaded as they come.
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Post by faustus5 on Jan 14, 2020 14:15:52 GMT
Does this pitch really work for you with women? It speaks volumes about the gutter that is your moral conscience that this thought would even occur to you.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 14, 2020 14:25:23 GMT
Does this pitch really work for you with women? It speaks volumes about the gutter that is your moral conscience that this thought would even occur to you. So this game you play does work for you then, and your answer pretty much says as much, you pretentious git! What a manipulator you must be. Women need steer clear of you.
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Post by faustus5 on Jan 14, 2020 14:42:30 GMT
So this game you play does work for you then, and your answer pretty much says as much, you pretentious git! What a manipulator you must be. No, that way of thinking about and interacting with others is completely and utterly alien to me. But it leaps immediately to the front of your cortex, which as I said, speaks volumes about your moral conscience. At least you are consistently misogynist in every dimension, I'll grant you that.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 14, 2020 14:52:15 GMT
So this game you play does work for you then, and your answer pretty much says as much, you pretentious git! What a manipulator you must be. No, that way of thinking about and interacting with others is completely and utterly alien to me. But it leaps immediately to the front of your cortex, which as I said, speaks volumes about your moral conscience. At least you are consistently misogynist in every dimension, I'll grant you that. Why thank you for the compliment, but I wouldn't trust you as far as I could throw you. I wasn't aware I was supposed to act like a toffee nosed conceited snob that thinks that his mind is in his cortex. Even your avatar is insidious and speaks volumes about your deception and duplicity. Selling your soul out always comes with a price. I hope you can afford it.
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