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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 31, 2020 0:57:08 GMT
The numbers say otherwise Her American album sales don't and album sales mean nothing anyways. If music sales are really important, than Justin Bieber and Miley Cyrus must be one of the greatest artists of all time. Any criteria we use for judging quality is arbitrary, which means album sales are as good as any. I don't like Bieber and Cyrus, but it's silly to think those that do are wrong. De gustibus non est disputandum.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 31, 2020 1:14:12 GMT
In her early days I just dismissed her as another PWL product (I now have a little more respect for them now, at least for what they achieved, particularly Waterman when I found out his music history) I think my opinion changed with Better the Devil You Know Sounds a little dated now but at the time it was one of those pop songs that just hit you. She has released plenty great tracks since. Always had a soft spot for the track she did with the Manic Street Preachers (apparently she was the original choice for their track Little Baby Nothing before they offered it to Traci Lords) Bit of trivia...the guy in the video is Dexter Fletcher...Babface from Bugsy Malone, one of the gang in Lock Stock, and director of Bohemian Rhapsody and Rocketman The biggest problem with those SAW albums is the production; they do sound incredibly dated. However, I've been watching her concerts and I've been surprised by how well they've translated to a live setting, especially with an actual band behind her. Fun fact that Nick Cave loved Better the Devil You Know, and it's why he wanted to work with Kylie. Here's what he had to say about it: Here's some live versions of SAW material, including a big band version of BtDYK: Yeah, Some Kind of Bliss is one of the many highlights from Impossible Princess.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 31, 2020 1:27:09 GMT
Her American album sales don't and album sales mean nothing anyways. If music sales are really important, than Justin Bieber and Miley Cyrus must be one of the greatest artists of all time. Irrelevant, I don't like her music but she is spectacularly good at what she does. To deny her talent is childish and no doubt based on factors such as coolness or other personal beliefs. I think Heavy Metal is the most moronic thing ever touted as music but I'm not stupid enough to believe my opinion is any more valid than anyone elses. If I ruled the world everyone would be listening to Diamada Galas and Throbbing Gristle and they'd be begging for Kylie in a heartbeat. And people like me love both heavy metal and Kylie Minogue. I think people who choose the music they listen to as if it were fashion or an expression of their identity/personality are weird. Different music speaks to different moods, different aspects of humanity, and scratches different itches. Most pop music is fun and joyous, most metal is serious and dark. Both are aspects of life and being human that are worth experiencing. Anyone who's fun/happy or serious/dark all the time is boring. Speaking of variety, Throbbing Gristle is one of those bands I can only listen to occasionally and in certain moods. They're like a demented Kraftwerk. Never heard of Diamada Galas, but she sounds pretty badass. Any recs on where to start?
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 31, 2020 1:28:10 GMT
Wasn't she in the Street Fighter film? Yeah, she played Cammie. I remember one review called her the worst actress in the English-speaking world based on that performance. I remember seeing that film as a kid (who was obsessed with Street Fighter II), but I (probably thankfully) don't remember much.
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Post by sostie on Jan 31, 2020 12:43:52 GMT
In her early days I just dismissed her as another PWL product (I now have a little more respect for them now, at least for what they achieved, particularly Waterman when I found out his music history) I think my opinion changed with Better the Devil You Know Sounds a little dated now but at the time it was one of those pop songs that just hit you. She has released plenty great tracks since. Always had a soft spot for the track she did with the Manic Street Preachers (apparently she was the original choice for their track Little Baby Nothing before they offered it to Traci Lords) Bit of trivia...the guy in the video is Dexter Fletcher...Babface from Bugsy Malone, one of the gang in Lock Stock, and director of Bohemian Rhapsody and Rocketman The biggest problem with those SAW albums is the production; they do sound incredibly dated. However, I've been watching her concerts and I've been surprised by how well they've translated to a live setting, especially with an actual band behind her. Fun fact that Nick Cave loved Better the Devil You Know, and it's why he wanted to work with Kylie. Here's what he had to say about it: Here's some live versions of SAW material, including a big band version of BtDYK: Yeah, Some Kind of Bliss is one of the many highlights from Impossible Princess. Interesting you say that about the production. One of the reasons I appreciated SAW more than I did was hearing the lyrics in a different context. Peter & The Test Tube Babies released an album of SAW songs called $hit Factory and I remember thinking these ain't bad tunes...not the best ever recorded but certainly worked well. It was amazing what SAW did. They may have made a simple product, but it was a consistently popular one....and they sometimes churned them out - writing/producing/recording - in the space of a day! Have you heard Kylie's Abbey Road Sessions?
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Post by Zos on Jan 31, 2020 18:15:27 GMT
Irrelevant, I don't like her music but she is spectacularly good at what she does. To deny her talent is childish and no doubt based on factors such as coolness or other personal beliefs. I think Heavy Metal is the most moronic thing ever touted as music but I'm not stupid enough to believe my opinion is any more valid than anyone elses. If I ruled the world everyone would be listening to Diamada Galas and Throbbing Gristle and they'd be begging for Kylie in a heartbeat. And people like me love both heavy metal and Kylie Minogue. I think people who choose the music they listen to as if it were fashion or an expression of their identity/personality are weird. Different music speaks to different moods, different aspects of humanity, and scratches different itches. Most pop music is fun and joyous, most metal is serious and dark. Both are aspects of life and being human that are worth experiencing. Anyone who's fun/happy or serious/dark all the time is boring. Speaking of variety, Throbbing Gristle is one of those bands I can only listen to occasionally and in certain moods. They're like a demented Kraftwerk. Never heard of Diamada Galas, but she sounds pretty badass. Any recs on where to start? Litanies of Satan" will let you know if you like her of not. Astonishing vocalist and pianist. Had the pleasure (if that's the right term) of seeing her live a few years back and she's truly jaw dropping. No one on Earth like her.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 31, 2020 18:34:41 GMT
The biggest problem with those SAW albums is the production; they do sound incredibly dated. However, I've been watching her concerts and I've been surprised by how well they've translated to a live setting, especially with an actual band behind her. Fun fact that Nick Cave loved Better the Devil You Know, and it's why he wanted to work with Kylie. Here's what he had to say about it: Here's some live versions of SAW material, including a big band version of BtDYK: Yeah, Some Kind of Bliss is one of the many highlights from Impossible Princess. Have you heard Kylie's Abbey Road Sessions? I have the album but haven't listened to to it yet... will probably give it a try when I finish my latest playlist.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 31, 2020 19:48:56 GMT
Ignore the idiot. He's just a troll. Nice to see him away from the Sports Board
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 31, 2020 20:27:21 GMT
Ignore the idiot. He's just a troll. Nice to see him away from the Sports Board Appears so, though there's plenty of people that believe that music can be objectively good or bad. I especially seem to encounter these types in fandoms for artists/genres that aren't popular--classical, jazz, even metal--and it tends to be accompanied with a snobbish attitude that everything that's popular is bad.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 31, 2020 20:43:12 GMT
Ignore the idiot. He's just a troll. Nice to see him away from the Sports Board Appears so, though there's plenty of people that believe that music can be objectively good or bad. I especially seem to encounter these types in fandoms for artists/genres that aren't popular--classical, jazz, even metal--and it tends to be accompanied with a snobbish attitude that everything that's popular is bad. This knob probably hadn't heard of Kylie until this thread. He's a throwback to the old bards trolls.
I loved the duet with Nick Cave
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Post by petrolino on Feb 1, 2020 19:31:43 GMT
I like Kylie Minogue. Still have a copy of 'GQ' magazine where she played tennis for a photo shoot. I like bands and artists that dress up and put on a show and Kylie's one of the best for that.
She wore her old dungarees to Lady Gaga's birthday party.
Kylie and Annie Jones played percussion (Jones is pictured below with her tambourine) in the 'Neighbours' band back in their soap opera days.
Vintage Daytime TV Shot
I have to give a shout out to her special eyewear line which is widely recognised by qualified opticians as being among the best in the business and has done a great deal to help build up womens' eyewear confidence. I think women look great in glasses and so does Kylie!
'Les Sex'
'Reel Stories : Kylie Minogue'
Thanks for this thread, really been enjoying everybody's selections. The first album I got into was 'Impossible Princess', then heard several others.
Some favourites :
'Confide In Me'
'Through The Years'
'Spinning Around'
'Give It To Me'
'Can't Get You Out Of My Head'
'Bittersweet Goodbye'
'Timebomb'
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Feb 1, 2020 22:27:26 GMT
I like Kylie Minogue. Still have a copy of 'GQ' magazine where she played tennis for a photo shoot. I like bands and artists that dress up and put on a show and Kylie's one of the best for that. Her eyewear line is the best in the business. Indeed. As much as I've enjoyed listening through her albums, over the past week-or-so I've also been watching her live concerts and that's made me an even bigger fan. She REALLY puts on a show, and many of her songs sound even (sometimes much) better live. So far I'm partial to the Aphrodite and Intimate & Live shows, the former because of its massive, visually astonishing production; and the latter because it was from the Impossible Princess era and I really liked hearing her material with a live band. Shocked is really one of her early SAW songs that came alive with a band (I posted it earlier in the thread). Here's a couple more live versions: ^ If I ever got a band back together this is one song I'd insist we cover. Something about it is just so intense, especially live. Probably that combination of the frenetic rhythms, sustained guitar riffs, and that on-the-edge, nervous vocal delivery. ^ On the other end of the spectrum, not sure if stage productions get any more elaborate than this!
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Post by petrolino on Feb 2, 2020 1:55:21 GMT
That song 'Low Blow' really shows Kylie's vocal range and comic chops, it's easy to see why she calls her idol Dolly Parton a naughty comedienne. This is the tradition of Australian sauce and all the tastier for it.
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Post by petrolino on Feb 2, 2020 2:16:54 GMT
I like Kylie Minogue. Still have a copy of 'GQ' magazine where she played tennis for a photo shoot. I like bands and artists that dress up and put on a show and Kylie's one of the best for that. Her eyewear line is the best in the business. Indeed. As much as I've enjoyed listening through her albums, over the past week-or-so I've also been watching her live concerts and that's made me an even bigger fan. She REALLY puts on a show, and many of her songs sound even (sometimes much) better live. So far I'm partial to the Aphrodite and Intimate & Live shows, the former because of its massive, visually astonishing production; and the latter because it was from the Impossible Princess era and I really liked hearing her material with a live band. Shocked is really one of her early SAW songs that came alive with a band (I posted it earlier in the thread). Here's a couple more live versions: ^ If I ever got a band back together this is one song I'd insist we cover. Something about it is just so intense, especially live. Probably that combination of the frenetic rhythms, sustained guitar riffs, and that on-the-edge, nervous vocal delivery. ^ On the other end of the spectrum, not sure if stage productions get any more elaborate than this!
I see you're a big fan of 'Limbo' - thankfully, as that's some performance. I'm watching the toga party as I write this, formidable action. This is what pop is all about, it stirs emotions you've not felt for ages (if you're an old man like me).
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Feb 3, 2020 4:06:20 GMT
Indeed. As much as I've enjoyed listening through her albums, over the past week-or-so I've also been watching her live concerts and that's made me an even bigger fan. She REALLY puts on a show, and many of her songs sound even (sometimes much) better live. So far I'm partial to the Aphrodite and Intimate & Live shows, the former because of its massive, visually astonishing production; and the latter because it was from the Impossible Princess era and I really liked hearing her material with a live band. Shocked is really one of her early SAW songs that came alive with a band (I posted it earlier in the thread). Here's a couple more live versions: ^ If I ever got a band back together this is one song I'd insist we cover. Something about it is just so intense, especially live. Probably that combination of the frenetic rhythms, sustained guitar riffs, and that on-the-edge, nervous vocal delivery. ^ On the other end of the spectrum, not sure if stage productions get any more elaborate than this! I see you're a big fan of 'Limbo' - thankfully, as that's some performance. I'm watching the toga party as I write this, formidable action. This is what pop is all about, it stirs emotions you've not felt for ages (if you're an old man like me).
If you like them I'd highly recommend just checking out the full performances. I know the full Aphrodite show is on YouTube in HD: You'd probably have to buy (or torrent) the Intimate and Live concert. After that, her X2008 and Live in Sydney shows are superb as well. I was slightly less thrilled by the Fever and Kiss Me Once shows, though both were still solid. I always like it when artists who put a lot of thought into their tours/shows document them with live releases. That song 'Low Blow' really shows Kylie's vocal range and comic chops, it's easy to see why she calls her idol Dolly Parton a naughty comedienne. This is the tradition of Australian sauce and all the tastier for it. Indeed. Probably my favorite song from the otherwise disappointing Golden album. It's not even on the actual album but was a bonus track on the Deluxe edition!
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Post by petrolino on Feb 3, 2020 4:23:08 GMT
I see you're a big fan of 'Limbo' - thankfully, as that's some performance. I'm watching the toga party as I write this, formidable action. This is what pop is all about, it stirs emotions you've not felt for ages (if you're an old man like me).
If you like them I'd highly recommend just checking out the full performances. I know the full Aphrodite show is on YouTube in HD: You'd probably have to buy (or torrent) the Intimate and Live concert. After that, her X2008 and Live in Sydney shows are superb as well. I was slightly less thrilled by the Fever and Kiss Me Once shows, though both were still solid. I always like it when artists who put a lot of thought into their tours/shows document them with live releases. That song 'Low Blow' really shows Kylie's vocal range and comic chops, it's easy to see why she calls her idol Dolly Parton a naughty comedienne. This is the tradition of Australian sauce and all the tastier for it. Indeed. Probably my favorite song from the otherwise disappointing Golden album. It's not even on the actual album but was a bonus track on the Deluxe edition!
I'll check the youtube, thanks.
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Post by stefancrosscoe on May 7, 2020 14:41:12 GMT
Wasn't she in the Street Fighter film? Oh, yes she was, only real reason to why ever bothered watching it in the first place. Sadly, she did not end up wearing this "suit" in the film.
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Post by stefancrosscoe on May 7, 2020 14:59:58 GMT
Anyway, I had to bump this fine thread, as I have recently been working out at home (hurt my back a few weeks ago, and cannot run outdoors for awhile) so I am really trying to keep up by using an indoor spinning/cycle, which turns out to be a great way of getting some solid exercise without putting to much pressure on my back. Also for a bit of motivation, I often watch great or upbeat live and music concerts, such as Talking Heads - Stop Making Sense, Talk Talk - Live at Montreux or trying to keep up with Rush during their 3 hours of Rush in Rio concert, which I have still not been able of, yet. Also, I tend to switch on VH1-Classic, and specially their 80s and 90s music shows, and quite often, Kylie Minogue is one of those who is on, every time I do so, and then a "new" video, or song I have rarely heard of, just hits right home with me. Last night, it was the sensual and almost "hypnotic" video/music of Confide In Me, and not sure from what album that one is of, but she really had many great and varied music back then. I think I have earlier (a few years ago) written very fondly of her in here, specially towards her more alternative-rock and electronic music outputs during the late 90s, such as Breathe, that Manic Street Preacher song (forgotten its name, but I think someone have already posted both of them) but also some of the more early 00s retro-disco approach she took, and which would bring her back into the top of the charts, at least for most of europe I think, with Fever (2001). I remember she even outsold Madonna and other of the much younger and more american teen-pop stars, Britney, Christina, Pink and etc, which was quite impressive, as her comeback came as as bit of a surprise for many, specially it seemed, towards rather harsh critics, who had completely written her off, years earlier. But now she was suddenly bigger and more popular than ever. Not sure why she never "broke" through in America, as she had so many great singles back in the day, but then again she is not the first nor last big pop star to not make it over there. And I guess it is not something she has any trouble sleeping at night over. One of the first things I did when I heard the sad news of Rutger Hauers death, was looking up Kylies song, called On A Night Like This, which I think is a bit of a homage or very inspired by Martin Scorseses Casino (1995), in which Kylie is well, seems to be based on the Sharon Stone part, while Rutger obivously is the Robert De Niro charachter. A very stylish and memorable music video from the early 00s, and one of her better ones of that era.
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Post by staggerstag on May 7, 2020 15:57:58 GMT
I bought Confide In Me, top track. Apart from Wild Roses I can't say much else about her. Also, the only Madonna number I ever bought was Frozen. I like the moody, almost etherlike feel of both those songs. There's a mystic air to them, like snake charmer music. I remember the first time I saw the videos for them. Madonna's was a great match, but Kylie's was a bit disappointing with all the brightness and bubbliness going on in it, but that might have been the message, paying money to someone (Kylie the sex chat girl) to make you (the lonely punter) happy when there's a deeper unhappiness in you which is kind of reflected in the low key audio. Or maybe I'm reading too much into the tracks. They're two very good numbers, to my ears.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on May 7, 2020 20:36:44 GMT
Last night, it was the sensual and almost "hypnotic" video/music of Confide In Me, and not sure from what album that one is of, but she really had many great and varied music back then. I think I have earlier (a few years ago) written very fondly of her in here, specially towards her more alternative-rock and electronic music outputs during the late 90s, such as Breathe, that Manic Street Preacher song (forgotten its name, but I think someone have already posted both of them) but also some of the more early 00s retro-disco approach she took, and which would bring her back into the top of the charts, at least for most of europe I think, with Fever (2001). Great post. Confide in Me was from her '94 Self-Titled album. It was basically her first album as an independent artist after releasing four 80s/early-90s albums under the helm of Stock-Aitken-Waterman. I still think it's her second-best album, close behind Impossible Princess and about equal with Fever. If you really like that period, I can't recommend the Intimate & Live concert/album/DVD enough, because not only does she play most of the best songs from those two albums, but all of the stuff she does from the SAW era sounds remarkably better. I posted a few videos from that show earlier in the thread (Limbo and Shocked).
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