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Post by darkpast on Jan 16, 2020 6:19:02 GMT
It doesn't fit their agenda? Did they amplify the toxic fandom just for clicks?
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 16, 2020 6:41:04 GMT
Because TRoS sucks and TLJ didn't.
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Post by darkpast on Jan 16, 2020 6:43:26 GMT
Because TRoS sucks and TLJ didn't. that's objective, and does not give the right to attack, thanks for playing
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 16, 2020 6:51:36 GMT
Because TRoS sucks and TLJ didn't. that's objective, I'd say it's subjective, but hey, glad you agree with me.
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Post by darkpast on Jan 16, 2020 7:07:13 GMT
I'd say it's subjective, but hey, glad you agree with me. even so, does not give the right to attack, why contribute to toxic fandom
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 16, 2020 11:45:48 GMT
unlike with TLJ most of the media hated TROS in the first place as trash compactor fire.
Also, the TROS backlash is significantly less emotional and intense as with TLJ. TROS is just an unimaginative blockbuster film, people are over it.
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Post by faustus5 on Jan 16, 2020 11:55:02 GMT
It doesn't fit their agenda? Did they amplify the toxic fandom just for clicks? This has got to be the dumbest thing you've ever posted, and that's saying something considering the brain dead level of your history on the internet.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Jan 16, 2020 14:13:12 GMT
TROS is just an unimaginative blockbuster film So was TLJ
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 16, 2020 14:50:14 GMT
TROS is just an unimaginative blockbuster film So was TLJ well yes . Hardly any new ground in terms of art design, story or ideas. What TLJ did differently is that it figuratively re-painted things with weird colors and (within the familiar story structure) it subverted some expectations. Also, it generally portrayed women as morally superior (Rey, Leia/Holdo, Rose) vis-a-vis male failures (Luke/Kylo, Poe, Finn) and had some cringe-worthy Marvel-eque humor (including Yo mama dance-off jokes to distract villains). I am not sure if one can call that imaginative, but it re-imagined things.
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Post by miike80 on Jan 16, 2020 14:58:11 GMT
well yes . Hardly any new ground in terms of art design, story or ideas. What TLJ did differently is that it figuratively re-painted things with weird colors and (within the familiar story structure) it subverted some expectations. Also, it generally portrayed women as morally superior (Rey, Leia/Holdo, Rose) vis-a-vis male failures (Luke/Kylo, Poe, Finn) and had some cringe-worthy Marvel-eque humor (including Yo mama dance-off jokes to distract villains). I am not sure if one can call that imaginative, but it re-imagined things. TLJ just subverts expectations for the sake of subverting expectations. I can write the next Batman where he cooks a lasagna for two hours. Your expectation are clearly subverted, but does that mean it's good?
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Post by Jan El Señor on Jan 16, 2020 15:05:20 GMT
well yes . Hardly any new ground in terms of art design, story or ideas. What TLJ did differently is that it figuratively re-painted things with weird colors and (within the familiar story structure) it subverted some expectations. Also, it generally portrayed women as morally superior (Rey, Leia/Holdo, Rose) vis-a-vis male failures (Luke/Kylo, Poe, Finn) and had some cringe-worthy Marvel-eque humor (including Yo mama dance-off jokes to distract villains). I am not sure if one can call that imaginative, but it re-imagined things. TLJ just subverts expectations for the sake of subverting expectations. I can write the next Batman where he cooks a lasagna for two hours. Your expectation are clearly subverted, but does that mean it's good? That's more imaginative than TLJ. TLJ was just paint by numbers, except Johnson just purposely used the wrong paint in the wrong numbers....
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 16, 2020 15:12:16 GMT
well yes . Hardly any new ground in terms of art design, story or ideas. What TLJ did differently is that it figuratively re-painted things with weird colors and (within the familiar story structure) it subverted some expectations. Also, it generally portrayed women as morally superior (Rey, Leia/Holdo, Rose) vis-a-vis male failures (Luke/Kylo, Poe, Finn) and had some cringe-worthy Marvel-eque humor (including Yo mama dance-off jokes to distract villains). I am not sure if one can call that imaginative, but it re-imagined things. TLJ just subverts expectations for the sake of subverting expectations. I can write the next Batman where he cooks a lasagna for two hours. Your expectation are clearly subverted, but does that mean it's good? well I did not say it was good, some of it was extremely dumb. Some of it looked cool as deus ex machina but created a huge one-in-a-million lore problem. Other stuff is just what it is, love it or hate it.
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Post by Jason143 on Jan 16, 2020 15:30:49 GMT
well yes . Hardly any new ground in terms of art design, story or ideas. What TLJ did differently is that it figuratively re-painted things with weird colors and (within the familiar story structure) it subverted some expectations. Also, it generally portrayed women as morally superior (Rey, Leia/Holdo, Rose) vis-a-vis male failures (Luke/Kylo, Poe, Finn) and had some cringe-worthy Marvel-eque humor (including Yo mama dance-off jokes to distract villains). I am not sure if one can call that imaginative, but it re-imagined things. TLJ just subverts expectations for the sake of subverting expectations. I can write the next Batman where he cooks a lasagna for two hours. Your expectation are clearly subverted, but does that mean it's good? Batman cooking lasanga would qualify as a subversion but a weird and mundane one that may annoy a few people. The subverting done in TLJ was more malicious in intent. It was a hate letter to fans of the original franchise and constantly destroyed, sorry "subverted", well established story threads. Throwing the light saber over the shoulder in the opening 10 seconds being a sign of things to come.
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