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Post by OpiateOfTheMasses on Jan 18, 2020 0:17:15 GMT
You that atheists are always suggesting that Christians are only Christians not because God has made himself known to them in any way, but solely because another Christian has told them about it (generally from a very early age before they're able to evaluate the information critically)? Well what if a remote tribe in South America that had never had contact with the "western world" suddenly found Christ/God all by themselves? That would be something, wouldn't it? That would prove that God does get his message out directly and it's not just Christians indoctrinating other people, wouldn't it?
Except... of course... this never happens...
No-one has ever discovered a group of people that "came to God" by themselves. It's only after people have been indoctrinated that they start to interpret things as being messages from God. Can anything think of a reason why God would be happy to "talk" to indoctrinated believers, but avoids talking to anyone else? And it's not even as if it was just Jesus that God talked to - there's a long list of Saints and other notables that have had direct communication with heavenly bodies. So you'd think that at some point one of these would have appeared in a remote island or jungle somewhere and explained who they were and it would have gained some traction, but no.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 18, 2020 0:38:24 GMT
Needs a verb.
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Post by mslo79 on Jan 18, 2020 12:14:02 GMT
Even if that happened not much would change because many in the world hate the truth so even if this happened it would be swept under-the-rug by many who don't want to hear it. because if one does not believe the stuff I mentioned before (i.e. Our Lady of Guadalupe image from the year 1531/Eucharistic Miracles/Our Lady of Fatima in the year 1917/Our Lady of Las Lajas (image on a rock from the year 1754) etc), nothing will convince them of God's existence as they will continue to deny no matter what as for many it boils down to my usual quote...
"To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." - St. Thomas Aquinas (1224/1225-1274)
because there is plausible evidence in the world for those who can see it but many of the atheist types conjure up any BS excuse to deny it. it's amazing some people will just write off the stuff I listed above as completely nothing, but they are very blind, or just don't want to see it so they can continue living however they want to as if they listened then they might have to change their lives etc.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Jan 18, 2020 15:14:10 GMT
Even if that happened not much would change because many in the world hate the truth so even if this happened it would be swept under-the-rug by many who don't want to hear it. because if one does not believe the stuff I mentioned before (i.e. Our Lady of Guadalupe image from the year 1531/Eucharistic Miracles/Our Lady of Fatima in the year 1917/Our Lady of Las Lajas (image on a rock from the year 1754) etc), nothing will convince them of God's existence as they will continue to deny no matter what as for many it boils down to my usual quote... "To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." - St. Thomas Aquinas (1224/1225-1274) because there is plausible evidence in the world for those who can see it but many of the atheist types conjure up any BS excuse to deny it. it's amazing some people will just write off the stuff I listed above as completely nothing, but they are very blind, or just don't want to see it so they can continue living however they want to as if they listened then they might have to change their lives etc. While you only want to hear what makes you feel good. What if the Pope tomorrow told all Catholics to stop believing in the Eucharist? After all, most Christians don’t believe it anyway, with all Protestants believing nothing happens to the bread and wine, it’s just bread and wine. Also, to stop believing dead saints are capable of working miracles; Mary does not make appearances on earth; and she did not remain a virgin during her marriage. Most Christians are already okay that none of this real. Add in the Pope wants to get rid of the pomp and circumstances within mass, just reduce everything down to readings, preaching, collection plate, sing a few songs, go home...just like all non-Catholic churches do. Could you accept that?
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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 18, 2020 15:27:51 GMT
You that atheists are always suggesting that Christians are only Christians not because God has made himself known to them in any way, but solely because another Christian has told them about it (generally from a very early age before they're able to evaluate the information critically)? Well what if a remote tribe in South America that had never had contact with the "western world" suddenly found Christ/God all by themselves? That would be something, wouldn't it? That would prove that God does get his message out directly and it's not just Christians indoctrinating other people, wouldn't it? Except... of course... this never happens... No-one has ever discovered a group of people that "came to God" by themselves. It's only after people have been indoctrinated that they start to interpret things as being messages from God. Can anything think of a reason why God would be happy to "talk" to indoctrinated believers, but avoids talking to anyone else? And it's not even as if it was just Jesus that God talked to - there's a long list of Saints and other notables that have had direct communication with heavenly bodies. So you'd think that at some point one of these would have appeared in a remote island or jungle somewhere and explained who they were and it would have gained some traction, but no. Do you mean there should be more than one Abraham? God spoke to Abram / Abraham (name changed) in order to teach him to develop a "nation" that could bring God's ways to the world. That's a nation, not one guy who hears voices. There already being a nation, or something like one, why would God have to start over?
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Post by thefleetsin on Jan 18, 2020 16:00:21 GMT
magic mushrooms can be found everywhere.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Jan 18, 2020 16:16:41 GMT
Even if that happened not much would change because many in the world hate the truth so even if this happened it would be swept under-the-rug by many who don't want to hear it. because if one does not believe the stuff I mentioned before (i.e. Our Lady of Guadalupe image from the year 1531/Eucharistic Miracles/Our Lady of Fatima in the year 1917/Our Lady of Las Lajas (image on a rock from the year 1754) etc), nothing will convince them of God's existence as they will continue to deny no matter what as for many it boils down to my usual quote... "To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." - St. Thomas Aquinas (1224/1225-1274) because there is plausible evidence in the world for those who can see it but many of the atheist types conjure up any BS excuse to deny it. it's amazing some people will just write off the stuff I listed above as completely nothing, but they are very blind, or just don't want to see it so they can continue living however they want to as if they listened then they might have to change their lives etc.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Jan 18, 2020 16:22:07 GMT
magic mushrooms can be found everywhere. I only find morels, but they are tasty... but not magic... 
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Post by thefleetsin on Jan 18, 2020 16:22:57 GMT
never actually bitch slapped anyone
living in a victim-encapsulated society
like i do
it would be easy to just say
screw you
but then i'd be
lowering myself to a level
that only
christians knew.
i've never bitch slapped anyone
in my entire life
but if that
hooker
at the movies
ever comes around
again
claiming to be my wife. . .
sjw 01/18/20 inspired at this very moment in time by memories may be beautiful and yet...
from the 'bizarro series' of poems
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Post by OpiateOfTheMasses on Jan 18, 2020 17:33:59 GMT
You that atheists are always suggesting that Christians are only Christians not because God has made himself known to them in any way, but solely because another Christian has told them about it (generally from a very early age before they're able to evaluate the information critically)? Well what if a remote tribe in South America that had never had contact with the "western world" suddenly found Christ/God all by themselves? That would be something, wouldn't it? That would prove that God does get his message out directly and it's not just Christians indoctrinating other people, wouldn't it? Except... of course... this never happens... No-one has ever discovered a group of people that "came to God" by themselves. It's only after people have been indoctrinated that they start to interpret things as being messages from God. Can anything think of a reason why God would be happy to "talk" to indoctrinated believers, but avoids talking to anyone else? And it's not even as if it was just Jesus that God talked to - there's a long list of Saints and other notables that have had direct communication with heavenly bodies. So you'd think that at some point one of these would have appeared in a remote island or jungle somewhere and explained who they were and it would have gained some traction, but no. Do you mean there should be more than one Abraham? God spoke to Abram / Abraham (name changed) in order to teach him to develop a "nation" that could bring God's ways to the world. That's a nation, not one guy who hears voices. There already being a nation, or something like one, why would God have to start over? So if God spoke to Abraham and that was it - job done - are all the other saints, etc who spoke to God mistaken or were they just lying? Why can't he speak to people elsewhere about other things? |
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Post by Isapop on Jan 18, 2020 17:50:02 GMT
Why can't he speak to people elsewhere about other things? Well, he does. God speaks audibly to me and the reason I know it's God and not my mind playing tricks is because God has a better vocabulary than me and sometimes he uses a word I don't understand and I had to look it up.
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Post by Catman 猫的主人 on Jan 18, 2020 18:18:52 GMT
One would think if God can appear in snack foods and grilled cheese sandwiches, he can appear to people in remote South American tribes.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 18, 2020 18:19:31 GMT
not much would change because many in the world hate the truth so even if this happened it would be swept under-the-rug by many who don't want to hear it. because if one does not believe the stuff I mentioned before (i.e. Our Lady of Guadalupe image from the year 1531/Eucharistic Miracles/Our Lady of Fatima in the year 1917/Our Lady of Las Lajas (image on a rock from the year 1754) etc), nothing will convince them of God's existence as they will continue to deny no matter what as for many it boils down to my usual quote... "To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." - St. Thomas Aquinas (1224/1225-1274) because there is plausible evidence in the world for those who can see it but many of the atheist types conjure up any BS excuse to deny it. it's amazing some people will just write off the stuff I listed above as completely nothing, but they are very blind, or just don't want to see it so they can continue living however they want to as if they listened then they might have to change their lives etc. Such things are apparently good enough to persuade you, which ought to suffice if you are happy. Meantime there's no need to keep reminding us that you don't need explanation of anything. Others will assume that of you by now, even if on their own account they are not so easily pleased.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Jan 18, 2020 20:24:19 GMT
You that atheists are always suggesting that Christians are only Christians not because God has made himself known to them in any way, but solely because another Christian has told them about it (generally from a very early age before they're able to evaluate the information critically)? Well what if a remote tribe in South America that had never had contact with the "western world" suddenly found Christ/God all by themselves? That would be something, wouldn't it? That would prove that God does get his message out directly and it's not just Christians indoctrinating other people, wouldn't it? Except... of course... this never happens... No-one has ever discovered a group of people that "came to God" by themselves. It's only after people have been indoctrinated that they start to interpret things as being messages from God. Can anything think of a reason why God would be happy to "talk" to indoctrinated believers, but avoids talking to anyone else? And it's not even as if it was just Jesus that God talked to - there's a long list of Saints and other notables that have had direct communication with heavenly bodies. So you'd think that at some point one of these would have appeared in a remote island or jungle somewhere and explained who they were and it would have gained some traction, but no. Do you mean there should be more than one Abraham? God spoke to Abram / Abraham (name changed) in order to teach him to develop a "nation" that could bring God's ways to the world. That's a nation, not one guy who hears voices. There already being a nation, or something like one, why would God have to start over? If that’s so, then the Muslims are hearing the true word of God too.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Jan 18, 2020 20:27:46 GMT
Even if that happened not much would change because many in the world hate the truth so even if this happened it would be swept under-the-rug by many who don't want to hear it. because if one does not believe the stuff I mentioned before (i.e. Our Lady of Guadalupe image from the year 1531/Eucharistic Miracles/Our Lady of Fatima in the year 1917/Our Lady of Las Lajas (image on a rock from the year 1754) etc), nothing will convince them of God's existence as they will continue to deny no matter what as for many it boils down to my usual quote... "To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." - St. Thomas Aquinas (1224/1225-1274) because there is plausible evidence in the world for those who can see it but many of the atheist types conjure up any BS excuse to deny it. it's amazing some people will just write off the stuff I listed above as completely nothing, but they are very blind, or just don't want to see it so they can continue living however they want to as if they listened then they might have to change their lives etc.
To believe in something as concrete as a being who created everything does exist without proof is impossible.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jan 19, 2020 9:45:47 GMT
Do you mean there should be more than one Abraham? God spoke to Abram / Abraham (name changed) in order to teach him to develop a "nation" that could bring God's ways to the world. That's a nation, not one guy who hears voices. There already being a nation, or something like one, why would God have to start over? If that’s so, then the Muslims are hearing the true word of God too. And perhaps Hindus. I don't know what exactly that tower of Babel story is all about.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 16:10:22 GMT
"To those who believe, no proof is necessary. To those who don't, no proof is possible." Stuart Chase.
To believe in something as concrete as a being who created everything does exist without proof is impossible.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Jan 19, 2020 16:34:45 GMT
To believe in something as concrete as a being who created everything does exist without proof is impossible. Is it possible with “man” because the idea that there is a supreme creator being who reigns over the earth comes from humans. There is no proof that it comes from anywhere else. The “voice” that speaks to those who claim revelation is inside the human brain itself.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 16:52:21 GMT
Is it possible with “man” because the idea that there is a supreme creator being who reigns over the earth comes from humans. There is no proof that it comes from anywhere else. The “voice” that speaks to those who claim revelation is inside the human brain itself. And fruits! Don't forget those fruits! That's the one that really gets me. Call it a delusion, I call it what I experience.
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Jan 19, 2020 16:56:32 GMT
Is it possible with “man” because the idea that there is a supreme creator being who reigns over the earth comes from humans. There is no proof that it comes from anywhere else. The “voice” that speaks to those who claim revelation is inside the human brain itself. And fruits! Don't forget those fruits! That's the one that really gets me. Call it a delusion, I call it what I experience. The fruit depends on the health of the vine. If it is diseased, lives in poor soil, or does not get sufficient sun light, the fruit will reflect this health. The fruit tree (the church) is very, very unhealthy and corrupt.
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