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Post by wolf359 on Jan 18, 2020 23:47:03 GMT
When it comes to "STAR WARS", Do you Stand with "THE FANDOM MENACE" (are you on their side basically).....YES or NO ?
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 19, 2020 11:07:40 GMT
The Fandom Menace is not an entity, but a tagline name for numerous fans with very different backgrounds and interests, covering multiple franchises. With regard to Star Wars they seem to despise the sequel trilogy, but to love The Mandalorian and Rogue One, and to like Rebels. Also, they want Kathleen Kennedy gone and someone like D Filoni or J Favreau or even K Feige to take the CEO position at LF. I largely agree on their appraisal of the artistic merits of the named products, but think the Kennedy thing is too simplistic (considering Disney pulls the strings). It's a hydra. What I find most amusing: This group was systematically vilified and belittled by the corporations and their media arms as "a tiny yet loud minority", and yet they brought mighty Disney to their knees, as Solo, TROS etc show. Most impressive.
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Post by wolf359 on Jan 19, 2020 18:18:12 GMT
The Fandom Menace is not an entity, but a tagline name for numerous fans with very different backgrounds and interests, covering multiple franchises. With regard to Star Wars they seem to despise the sequel trilogy, but to love The Mandalorian and Rogue One, and to like Rebels. Also, they want Kathleen Kennedy gone and someone like D Filoni or J Favreau or even K Feige to take the CEO position at LF. I largely agree on their appraisal of the artistic merits of the named products, but think the Kennedy thing is too simplistic (considering Disney pulls the strings). It's a hydra. What I find most amusing: This group was systematically vilified and belittled by the corporations and their media arms as "a tiny yet loud minority", and yet they brought mighty Disney to their knees, as Solo, TROS etc show. Most impressive.
Those are Good Points.
Very Good Points in fact!
However, I do respectfully have to disagree with you when it comes to Episode 9.
"THE RISE OF SKYWALKER" is a Success and DISNEY currently has over a Billion Reasons (and still counting) why.
How much money do you think everybody in The Fandom Menace all have combined ?
Now in regards to the people in The Fandom Menace....
I myself actually think that the very worst of them are on YOUTUBE.
Heck, I know of 1 (I won't say her name) whom I actually got into a pretty heated argument with (her and her followers in her Live Stream) almost a month ago during 1 of her Live Streams. She started insulting the people that liked Episode 9 just because they liked it and praised it and I have got a MAJOR Problem when somebody does something like that.
I understand and agree completely that we are all entitled to our own feelings, views, thoughts, and opinions on "STAR WARS" and everything else and if Star Wars Fans want to attack and insult a Star Wars Movie just because they didn't like it then that is perfectly fine but when they start attacking and insulting the Star Wars Fans that did like it and they do it just because they like it and praise it.....then I am sorry but that is just not okay (not to me at least).
Star Wars Fans that do that sort of thing to other Star Wars Fans have NO BUSINESS calling themselves Star Wars Fans.
That is just how I myself feel about it.
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Post by jammer81386 on Jan 19, 2020 22:46:30 GMT
I suppose it is 50/50 for me. All sides have their points and faults so I tend to take things on a case by case basis.
I made a post here a couple months ago expressing a concern I had over ST detractors incessantly complaining about TROS trailer, almost as if they were looking for reasons to hate the film. So I do feel that there is an unfair bias towards these films in that regard. Though I will add that these detractors were warmer to the film than they were TLJ. I would also add, however, that these same detractors are now warming up the prequels which they also incessantly bashed until the Disney acquisition. Which makes me wonder how the ST will be viewed in a decade's time.
On the other side, there are people, including some involved in the film's production, dismissing any criticism of the ST as being a result of sexism, racism, fan entitlement, etc. Which I felt was an unprofessional and small minded way of responding to criticism. Lucas got a lot of hate over the prequels, yet I never recall him responding in any such way.
I think it is important to keep and open mind and not be tribal, both in this case and in general. Any side is capable of being wrong and calling out your own side when it goes to far is a necessity.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Jan 20, 2020 0:04:22 GMT
What I find most amusing: This group was systematically vilified and belittled by the corporations and their media arms as "a tiny yet loud minority", and yet they brought mighty Disney to their knees, as Solo, TROS etc show. Most impressive. I'd say they had little to do with Solo's failure and TROS is a success in spite of them....
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 20, 2020 10:04:03 GMT
What I find most amusing: This group was systematically vilified and belittled by the corporations and their media arms as "a tiny yet loud minority", and yet they brought mighty Disney to their knees, as Solo, TROS etc show. Most impressive. I'd say they had little to do with Solo's failure and TROS is a success in spite of them.... if you say so.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 20, 2020 11:02:46 GMT
The Fandom Menace is not an entity, but a tagline name for numerous fans with very different backgrounds and interests, covering multiple franchises. With regard to Star Wars they seem to despise the sequel trilogy, but to love The Mandalorian and Rogue One, and to like Rebels. Also, they want Kathleen Kennedy gone and someone like D Filoni or J Favreau or even K Feige to take the CEO position at LF. I largely agree on their appraisal of the artistic merits of the named products, but think the Kennedy thing is too simplistic (considering Disney pulls the strings). It's a hydra. What I find most amusing: This group was systematically vilified and belittled by the corporations and their media arms as "a tiny yet loud minority", and yet they brought mighty Disney to their knees, as Solo, TROS etc show. Most impressive.
Those are Good Points.
Very Good Points in fact!
However, I do respectfully have to disagree with you when it comes to Episode 9.
"THE RISE OF SKYWALKER" is a Success and DISNEY currently has over a Billion Reasons (and still counting) why.
How much money do you think everybody in The Fandom Menace all have combined ?
ok, when I spoke of bringing Disney to their knees, I did not refer to the financial performance of TROS, but of the fact that they reverse engineered most aspects of TLJ to appease the fandom instead of sticking with them for storytelling and political reasons. For what it's worth, TROS is evidently not a flop like Solo but under performing (below expectations). TROS is an very expensive film and has just "broken even" - it terms of ww grosses it will remain below TLJ and only match R1 (both less expensive movies). Also, the last saga entry a la "Endgame" has the steepest drops in SW history (I think Jumani has overtaken it ww this week). The most interesting thing will be to see the final profitability charts. I am not in the position to arbitrate who a true fan is, it's a no-true-Scotsman fallacy to me. You are just as true as me or they. In my book, there are only true thinking-fans and true non-thinking fans, and a lot of nuance between it; yours truly pal.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Jan 20, 2020 14:22:41 GMT
I'd say they had little to do with Solo's failure and TROS is a success in spite of them.... if you say so. I have spoken.
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Post by shinnickneth on Jan 20, 2020 21:45:46 GMT
I'd say they had little to do with Solo's failure and TROS is a success in spite of them.... Why do you say that, Jan? If they didn't purchase a ticket to Solo, didn't talk up the movie, didn't drag their family/friends to the theater who otherwise wouldn't have gone of their volition, didn't go see it multiple times, etc. How is that not adding to the movie's failure?
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Post by Jan El Señor on Jan 20, 2020 23:00:42 GMT
I'd say they had little to do with Solo's failure and TROS is a success in spite of them.... Why do you say that, Jan? If they didn't purchase a ticket to Solo, didn't talk up the movie, didn't drag their family/friends to the theater who otherwise wouldn't have gone of their volition, didn't go see it multiple times, etc. How is that not adding to the movie's failure? Pretty sure the "Fandom Menace" thing started after Solo, but I could be wrong. Even so, the real push for it online was in expectation of TROS. And sure, their refusal to see it had some impact. But their push to get others to follow in masses did not result in the film being a flop, which is why I'd say TROS is a success in spite of them...
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Post by Jan El Señor on Jan 20, 2020 23:38:23 GMT
They have some valid points, but it's amusing watching them think they'll start some sort of revolution....
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Post by hobowar on Jan 21, 2020 1:52:48 GMT
Nobody stands with the fandom menace, not even the fandom menace. They make three videos a day about how awful Rian Johnson is because they know they will get views from angry man babies who never understood Star Wars, the force or film making in general.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jan 21, 2020 2:13:13 GMT
Nobody stands with the fandom menace, not even the fandom menace. They make three videos a day about how awful Rian Johnson is because they know they will get views from angry man babies who never understood Star Wars, the force or film making in general. So I suppose you’re going to tell us what “understanding Star Wars” means. And how Rian Johnson is the only one who defines it. Please continue...
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Post by hobowar on Jan 21, 2020 2:18:05 GMT
Nobody stands with the fandom menace, not even the fandom menace. They make three videos a day about how awful Rian Johnson is because they know they will get views from angry man babies who never understood Star Wars, the force or film making in general. So I suppose you’re going to tell us what “understanding Star Wars” means. And how Rian Johnson is the only one who defines it. Please continue... It's open to interpretation. This is why characters can pull random force powers out their ass in each movie and "fans" get to pick and choose which ones brokes their arbitrary set of rules.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jan 21, 2020 2:39:53 GMT
So I suppose you’re going to tell us what “understanding Star Wars” means. And how Rian Johnson is the only one who defines it. Please continue... It's open to interpretation. This is why characters can pull random force powers out their ass in each movie and "fans" get to pick and choose which ones brokes their arbitrary set of rules. Except when there aren’t any random Force powers being made up (in other movies). Or when Rian’s created powers and character backstories get changed. Then it’s not open to interpretation. It’s (supposedly) “political appeasement of man babies”. Lol
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Post by shinnickneth on Jan 22, 2020 20:08:04 GMT
Pretty sure the "Fandom Menace" thing started after Solo, but I could be wrong.Even so, the real push for it online was in expectation of TROS. And sure, their refusal to see it had some impact. But their push to get others to follow in masses did not result in the film being a flop, which is why I'd say TROS is a success in spite of them... Hmmmmm maybe I'm confusing the 'Fandom Menace' with another entity.
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