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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 22, 2020 19:28:52 GMT
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 22, 2020 19:57:19 GMT
Right, and you did that before listening to talk radio or hearing your friends mention it the next day or something like that. You saw him puke and then you looked for it. Exactly. I specifically remember my stepdad being in the kitchen getting a drink and when he came back I said “McNabb was just puking I think.” And we didn’t have dvr or anything at the time so I tried to find the wet spot during the next play or two. Memory is hazy after 15 years but I remember this moment. And yet... all detective work points to it not happening. If it did we would have video. It's that simple. Again, eye witness testimony is not reliable. Memory is malleable and imperfect and easily conflated and manipulated.
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Post by Marv on Jan 22, 2020 21:14:42 GMT
Exactly. I specifically remember my stepdad being in the kitchen getting a drink and when he came back I said “McNabb was just puking I think.” And we didn’t have dvr or anything at the time so I tried to find the wet spot during the next play or two. Memory is hazy after 15 years but I remember this moment. And yet... all detective work points to it not happening. If it did we would have video. It's that simple. Again, eye witness testimony is not reliable. Memory is malleable and imperfect and easily conflated and manipulated. It doesn’t really matter. I know it happened. I’m not saying that to be argumentative. I mean I don’t care if there’s no proof and aren’t really looking to prove it...I just remember too much surrounding it for me to believe it never happened.
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Post by sdm3 on Jan 23, 2020 1:42:53 GMT
I watched the game and I didn’t see it. It didn’t happen. See how that works?
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jan 23, 2020 1:47:33 GMT
I watched the game and I didn’t see it. It didn’t happen. See how that works? Yet we watched the game and did see it, so it happened. See how that works?
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Post by sdm3 on Jan 23, 2020 1:49:33 GMT
I watched the game and I didn’t see it. It didn’t happen. See how that works? Yet we watched the game and did see it, so it happened. See how that works? That’s my point. All anyone has to go on at this point is their memory and is naturally going to insist that their memory can’t be mistaken.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jan 23, 2020 1:57:03 GMT
Yet we watched the game and did see it, so it happened. See how that works? That’s my point. All anyone has to go on at this point is their memory and is naturally going to insist that their memory can’t be mistaken. If you didn’t see it then perhaps you missed it. The whole sequence was like 2 seconds long or less. I and others happened to see it.
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Post by sdm3 on Jan 23, 2020 2:04:40 GMT
That’s my point. All anyone has to go on at this point is their memory and is naturally going to insist that their memory can’t be mistaken. If you didn’t see it then perhaps you missed it. The whole sequence was like 2 seconds long or less. I and others happened to see it. I’m not actually saying I did or didn’t see it - I’m just playing devil’s advocate to make a point. People can either say they watched the original broadcast and did or didn’t see it, and neither argument is any stronger than the other because they both rely solely on memory and no other evidence.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 23, 2020 2:13:32 GMT
And yet... all detective work points to it not happening. If it did we would have video. It's that simple. Again, eye witness testimony is not reliable. Memory is malleable and imperfect and easily conflated and manipulated. It doesn’t really matter. I know it happened. I’m not saying that to be argumentative. I mean I don’t care if there’s no proof and aren’t really looking to prove it...I just remember too much surrounding it for me to believe it never happened. And this is the interesting thing. If there was hard proof that it never happened (which there sort of is) you'd still believe it did happen. So the facts are sort of irrelevant I guess.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 23, 2020 2:14:49 GMT
If you didn’t see it then perhaps you missed it. The whole sequence was like 2 seconds long or less. I and others happened to see it. I’m not actually saying I did or didn’t see it - I’m just playing devil’s advocate to make a point. People can either say they watched the original broadcast and did or didn’t see it, and neither argument is any stronger than the other because they both rely solely on memory and no other evidence. Actually, one argument relies on documentation, and the other solely memory and hearsay.
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Post by sdm3 on Jan 23, 2020 2:29:12 GMT
I’m not actually saying I did or didn’t see it - I’m just playing devil’s advocate to make a point. People can either say they watched the original broadcast and did or didn’t see it, and neither argument is any stronger than the other because they both rely solely on memory and no other evidence. Actually, one argument relies on documentation, and the other solely memory and hearsay. That’s a little different. Documentation relies on the existing footage or lack thereof, whereas people seem to be suggesting that the ORIGINAL broadcast they saw doesn’t match what is available for viewing nowadays. Otherwise, the moment they saw would be easy to access. Was the broadcast altered slightly after the fact, meaning that one on YouTube/DVD isn’t exactly the same as the original broadcast? It’s certainly possible (if not probable). When it comes to the original, let’s say 100% indisputably unaltered broadcast, the two sides of “it did/didn’t happen” have only memory to rely on.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 23, 2020 11:50:38 GMT
Actually, one argument relies on documentation, and the other solely memory and hearsay. That’s a little different. Documentation relies on the existing footage or lack thereof, whereas people seem to be suggesting that the ORIGINAL broadcast they saw doesn’t match what is available for viewing nowadays. Otherwise, the moment they saw would be easy to access. Was the broadcast altered slightly after the fact, meaning that one on YouTube/DVD isn’t exactly the same as the original broadcast? It’s certainly possible (if not probable). When it comes to the original, let’s say 100% indisputably unaltered broadcast, the two sides of “it did/didn’t happen” have only memory to rely on. Alright, I guess that's true. But then it just reinforces the idea that these people are clinging to maybe the strangest conspiracy theory in history.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jan 23, 2020 12:40:06 GMT
That’s a little different. Documentation relies on the existing footage or lack thereof, whereas people seem to be suggesting that the ORIGINAL broadcast they saw doesn’t match what is available for viewing nowadays. Otherwise, the moment they saw would be easy to access. Was the broadcast altered slightly after the fact, meaning that one on YouTube/DVD isn’t exactly the same as the original broadcast? It’s certainly possible (if not probable). When it comes to the original, let’s say 100% indisputably unaltered broadcast, the two sides of “it did/didn’t happen” have only memory to rely on. Alright, I guess that's true. But then it just reinforces the idea that these people are clinging to maybe the strangest conspiracy theory in history. I’m not clinging to anything. I saw it happen before I heard anything about it in the media.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 23, 2020 12:41:46 GMT
Alright, I guess that's true. But then it just reinforces the idea that these people are clinging to maybe the strangest conspiracy theory in history. I’m not clinging to anything. I saw it happen before I heard anything about it in the media. Then you are clinging to it. You're clinging to a theory that suggests that someone is covering up the footage and removing it from history for... some reason, I guess?
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jan 23, 2020 12:51:07 GMT
It's odd - lot's footage of factual events mysteriously disappear.
Sid Vicious pooped his pants in the middle of the ring vs. 'Taker - it's been erased from all media.
Sid denies it to this day - fast forward to about 40 seconds:
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 23, 2020 12:55:53 GMT
It's odd - lot's footage of factual events mysteriously disappear. Sid Vicious pooped his pants in the middle of the ring vs. 'Taker - it's been erased from all media. Sid denies it to this day - fast forward to about 40 seconds: There's another Sid Vicious? Are they related or are we gonna come up with some kinda dual identity conspiracy theory?
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jan 23, 2020 12:57:39 GMT
I’m not clinging to anything. I saw it happen before I heard anything about it in the media. Then you are clinging to it. You're clinging to a theory that suggests that someone is covering up the footage and removing it from history for... some reason, I guess? I’m not clinging to anything. I don’t believe there’s some great coverup of this. I saw it, others saw it. Spare me your amateur psychoanalysis. Sometimes footage just doesn’t exist for whatever reason. If you didn’t see it then you missed it. I saw it others saw it. Let it go.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 23, 2020 13:07:21 GMT
Guys, let's not have this topic be the one that tears our community apart. We already lost DC Fan, how many more casualties can we endure?
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 23, 2020 13:12:25 GMT
Then you are clinging to it. You're clinging to a theory that suggests that someone is covering up the footage and removing it from history for... some reason, I guess? I’m not clinging to anything. I don’t believe there’s some great coverup of this. I saw it, others saw it. Spare me your amateur psychoanalysis. Sometimes footage just doesn’t exist for whatever reason. If you didn’t see it then you missed it. I saw it others saw it. Let it go. Footage from the super bowl doesn't just go missing. There's either some sort of conspiracy where it's being hidden in purpose or you might have misremembered something from 15 fucking years ago. And the latter is exponentially more likely.
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Post by sdm3 on Jan 23, 2020 13:15:18 GMT
Guys, let's not have this topic be the one that tears our community apart. We already lost DC Fan, how many more casualties can we endure? I think this is more emblematic of our community:
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