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Post by johnspartan on Jan 22, 2020 2:52:49 GMT
In the 1980s great movies and instant classics came out every month but none made a billion at the box office. Now horrible movies often make a billion like Transformers, Captain Marvel, and The Rise of Skywalker. It seems society has become mindless consumers with no critical thinking skills. Discuss.
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Post by sadsaak on Jan 22, 2020 3:21:27 GMT
In the 1980s great movies and instant classics came out every month but none made a billion at the box office. Now horrible movies often make a billion like Transformers, Captain Marvel, and The Rise of Skywalker. It seems society has become mindless consumers with no critical thinking skills. Discuss. Great movies didn't make billions because no one went to see them.
Except movie critics who got in free.
So the reputations of the "great" movies of the 80s hinged on the opinions of folk who would not pay a few bob for a ticket.
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Post by darkpast on Jan 22, 2020 3:21:53 GMT
Tickets were $4 , about $15 now
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Post by ck100 on Jan 22, 2020 3:27:07 GMT
80's movies didn't have the marketing of today's movies.
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Post by shannondegroot on Jan 22, 2020 3:28:03 GMT
Everyone was leaving a rock so the exit door wouldn't fully shut.
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Post by johnspartan on Jan 22, 2020 3:31:52 GMT
Tickets were $4 , about $15 now Good point, but it would seem that in the 80s, audiences wouldn't pay high prices for a movie ticket unlike mindless consumers today.
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Post by johnspartan on Jan 22, 2020 3:34:28 GMT
80's movies didn't have the marketing of today's movies. Great point, the internet is likely a major factor. Probably the single biggest factor.
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Post by Prime etc. on Jan 22, 2020 3:35:13 GMT
I think the profits today are exaggerated. It's another form of Hollywood Accounting. Movies are less popular now than they were in the 80s. They are becoming a kind of muzak.
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Post by wolf359 on Jan 22, 2020 5:04:53 GMT
In the 1980s great movies and instant classics came out every month but none made a billion at the box office. Now horrible movies often make a billion like Transformers, Captain Marvel, and The Rise of Skywalker. It seems society has become mindless consumers with no critical thinking skills. Discuss.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 22, 2020 5:29:50 GMT
Movies in the 80's were just more original and fresh, with new things being presented and discovered all the time. They weren't that interested in pandering to the faux outrage of sjw's and phony virtue signalers, even though they may have attracted some controversy.
While some were marketed at certain target audiences and box office was still important, they weren't over-indulged in too many 000's attributed to their budgets like today, due to staggering and out of control inflation and then using that as a prop to make out how good they are when they're not. Marvel and DC films are ALL just the same films, nothing to engage the mind with new concepts.
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Post by johnspartan on Jan 22, 2020 6:07:25 GMT
Movies in the 80's were just more original and fresh, with new things being presented and discovered all the time. They weren't that interested in pandering to the faux outrage of sjw's and phony virtue signalers, even though they may have attracted some controversy. While some were marketed at certain target audiences and box office was still important, they weren't over-indulged in too many 000's attributed to their budgets like today, due to staggering and out of control inflation and then using that as a prop to make out how good they are when they're not. Marvel and DC films are ALL just the same films, nothing to engage the mind with new concepts. I agree. I think having such an explosion of great movies in the 80s has left current moviemakers with a bar so high they can't reach so they just gave up and mostly do bad remakes and sequels. I also think one of the reasons we didn't have SJW messaging destroying movies in the 80s is because there were tons of comedians to make fun of that nonsense. David Letterman, George Carlin, Dennis Miller, and Sam Kinison would never allow SJWs to run amok in the 80s.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 22, 2020 6:13:45 GMT
Movies in the 80's were just more original and fresh, with new things being presented and discovered all the time. They weren't that interested in pandering to the faux outrage of sjw's and phony virtue signalers, even though they may have attracted some controversy. While some were marketed at certain target audiences and box office was still important, they weren't over-indulged in too many 000's attributed to their budgets like today, due to staggering and out of control inflation and then using that as a prop to make out how good they are when they're not. Marvel and DC films are ALL just the same films, nothing to engage the mind with new concepts. I agree. I think having such an explosion of great movies in the 80s has left current moviemakers with a bar so high they can't reach so they just gave up and mostly do bad remakes and sequels. I also think one of the reasons we didn't have SJW messaging destroying movies in the 80s is because there were tons of comedians to make fun of that nonsense. David Letterman, George Carlin, Dennis Miller, and Sam Kinison would never allow SJWs to run amok in the 80s. Now, we are not even allowed to make fun of the SJW mentality, without offending some poor precious snowflakes feelings, who aren't really hurt, but just feign the outrage due to entitlements and self-applied privilege, so these narcissists can get any attention afforded them.
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Post by johnspartan on Jan 22, 2020 6:39:01 GMT
I agree. I think having such an explosion of great movies in the 80s has left current moviemakers with a bar so high they can't reach so they just gave up and mostly do bad remakes and sequels. I also think one of the reasons we didn't have SJW messaging destroying movies in the 80s is because there were tons of comedians to make fun of that nonsense. David Letterman, George Carlin, Dennis Miller, and Sam Kinison would never allow SJWs to run amok in the 80s. Now, we are not even allowed to make fun of the SJW mentality, without offending some poor precious snowflakes feelings, who aren't really hurt, but just feign the outrage due to entitlements and self-applied privilege, so these narcissists can get any attention afforded them. Exactly, they are chronically offended and outraged because that's their tool to control free speech and it's rare anybody with a large platform stands up to them. Only Dave Chappelle, Ricky Gervais, and Bill Burr have had the guts to do it.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jan 22, 2020 6:47:53 GMT
Now, we are not even allowed to make fun of the SJW mentality, without offending some poor precious snowflakes feelings, who aren't really hurt, but just feign the outrage due to entitlements and self-applied privilege, so these narcissists can get any attention afforded them. Exactly, they are chronically offended and outraged because that's their tool to control free speech and it's rare anybody with a large platform stands up to them. Only Dave Chappelle, Ricky Gervais, and Bill Burr have had the guts to do it. Well put! Chronically offended. As if anyone is supposed to care about their hurt precious feelings because someone doesn't agree with their own personal agendas, or makes fun of their misguided and disproportionate stances. They would want to legislate laws that say no-one has the right to offend anyone, even if all subjective and not founded on any rational reason or rhyme.
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Post by hobowar on Jan 22, 2020 6:56:47 GMT
In the 1980s great movies and instant classics came out every month but none made a billion at the box office. Now horrible movies often make a billion like Transformers, Captain Marvel, and The Rise of Skywalker. It seems society has become mindless consumers with no critical thinking skills. Discuss. Translation: I'm a moron that can't stand other people having different opinions to me. πππ
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Post by johnspartan on Jan 22, 2020 6:59:17 GMT
In the 1980s great movies and instant classics came out every month but none made a billion at the box office. Now horrible movies often make a billion like Transformers, Captain Marvel, and The Rise of Skywalker. It seems society has become mindless consumers with no critical thinking skills. Discuss. Translation: I'm a moron that can't stand other people having different opinions to me. πππ Fuck off you SJW snowflake.
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Post by ck100 on Jan 22, 2020 7:10:13 GMT
80's movies didn't have the marketing of today's movies. Great point, the internet is likely a major factor. Probably the single biggest factor. Don't forget about social media. Of course that and Internet go hand-in-hand.
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Post by mslo79 on Jan 22, 2020 7:18:15 GMT
Yeah I agree with the OP to some degree. I don't really get it either as it seems like the general prime of blockbuster types of movies was the 1980's and 1990's (although I guess one could argue things started about the mid-to-late 1970's(say Jaws/Star Wars etc), but things did not really hit their stride until the 1980's) as by the 2000's things started to shift more like they are today and became more amplified in the 2010's decade (NOTE: it makes me wonder how much more can this super hero faze can last before it starts to decline, maybe one more decade(?)). so while I like some super hero movies, I don't get why boatloads of people flock to the theaters in droves to watch damn near all super hero movies etc (it's mostly the same ol' crap over-and-over like Toasted Cheese said, "Marvel and DC films are ALL just the same films, nothing to engage the mind with new concepts."). who knows, maybe it's because as people get a bit older and start to lose a bit of interest in them, you have the newer generations coming in who can't get enough of them because they have seen less stuff and it's easier to WOW them types(?) since they have not seen nearly as many movies in general as someone who's been around a while has. because in my mind... just looking at more higher budget/blockbuster types of movies in say the 2010's decade, you don't see many that are just a really good movies straight up (like that stand out from the pack (some, but it's quite limited in my opinion)) that compare to the most enjoyable movies to watch in general. but anyways my general point is, which kind of plays inline with what the OP said, is that why you see more and more super hero movies EASILY cracking $500mil+ worldwide(with a fair amount floating around $1bil), it's like many will be mostly forgotten as it's like people like them enough to go to the theaters to watch them a handful of times, or something like that, but in 10-20 years time it's not really movies they will look back on and think to themselves, 'wow, those were great'. maybe a little from a nostalgia standpoint and all, but in terms of ones favorite movies in general I can't see many holding up too well in that regard unlike some of us who grew up more around the 1980's and 1990's where blockbusters from those days tend to stick with us a bit more, even to this day. it's like the movies that people do tend to remember etc, usually don't make too much $ in the theaters, especially in fairly recent memory (say about the last 10-15 years) as back in the day it seemed movies that did solid $, were more likely to be solid movies straight up regardless of $. but nowadays it's almost like if the $ a movie makes goes beyond a certain point, the movie won't be anything special. because just looking strictly at those blockbuster types of movies from say the 1980's to date... I would imagine on average the movies from the 1980's and 1990's top the ones from the 2000's and 2010's in terms of leaving a more lasting impression on people, especially since you have a bit more variety as nowadays blockbuster types of movies seem to be mostly super hero types and not all that much outside of it. but I guess one could also say, somewhat in defense of more recent-ish movies, is that given things were still evolving a bit, say roughly in the 1980's and maybe 1990's, it's going to be that much harder for newer movies to be original (not that being original automatically means you got a good movie though, as it does not, as it needs to be executed well with a good director/cast etc). which is why I also have said before that it's not about doing something original, but taking a idea that's already been done and doing it well. so in this regard, say about the 2000's to date will already be at a disadvantage. p.s. but I guess with people in general... while I get the previous generations kind of look down on the younger generations in general, I think today's generation (say those around 30-ish and younger) is noticeably worse than usual as it's like things sort of decline with each generation and it's starting to hit a red flag sort of point (but personally I suspect some of it is because today's generations are more godless/self centered vs the old days people had higher moral standards and were a bit more giving etc). Prime etc.Yeah, I think some of it might be due to people just have access to a lot more content then they once did. so general attendance is lower in terms of ticket sales etc etc as when you got less to choose from, it sort of forced people to watch crap that they otherwise might not have. like a lot of those shows from say the 1970's (and thereabouts) that were hugely popular, if they were around today they would likely never have been anything special due to the much higher volume of stuff made and it's much more competitive to where people have higher standards now because of it. but since they had a much more limited stuff back then (hell, not even VHS level of stuff as it was pretty much stuck to TV or theaters), people generally seen less stuff and were more easily impressed etc. I am sure you get the gist of it 
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Post by Prime etc. on Jan 22, 2020 7:25:50 GMT
The way ads are done now are pretty bland compared to the 80s or earlier. Disney does the same useless piano music score for their superhero movies--sounds like they are advertising a movie about a failed marriage.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 12:53:24 GMT
Y'all should take off those nostalgia goggles for a minute. The 80's produced a lot of shit too.
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