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Post by hehatesshe on Jan 23, 2020 5:09:07 GMT
If Kurt Warner and his 4.7 good seasons can get in, Eli is a no doubter.
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Post by wolf359 on Jan 23, 2020 7:51:24 GMT
Yes
I think that Eli Manning is definitely a Hall of Famer.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jan 23, 2020 10:25:36 GMT
If Kurt Warner and his 4.7 good seasons can get in, Eli is a no doubter. Kurt Warner was a significantly better quarterback than Eli. Eli has the longevity, Warner the much higher peak.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 23, 2020 13:11:51 GMT
Two great Super Bowl runs. The first will always be the more iconic but I was arguably even more impressed by the second (I wouldn’t have given him that first SB MVP). Plus he had incredible longevity. Never missing a game due to injury is extremely noteworthy. Add the stats and he’s probably a Hall of Famer. He beat the Patriots twice, that alone will put him in the HOF considering the animosity toward the Pats in football circles.
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Post by hehatesshe on Jan 23, 2020 15:04:30 GMT
If Kurt Warner and his 4.7 good seasons can get in, Eli is a no doubter. Kurt Warner was a significantly better quarterback than Eli. Eli has the longevity, Warner the much higher peak. Well, in his good years Warner had talent around him few other QBs have enjoyed. His stats at his peak may have been better, but his career overall I dare say not.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jan 23, 2020 15:07:21 GMT
Kurt Warner was a significantly better quarterback than Eli. Eli has the longevity, Warner the much higher peak. Well, in his good years Warner had talent around him few other QBs have enjoyed. His stats at his peak may have been better, but his career overall I dare say not. You’re the GM of a team. You have to pick one of these QBs to run your offense - prime Eli or prime Warner. Who do you pick? If your answer is Eli, enjoy your 8-8, 9-7 season.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 23, 2020 15:56:34 GMT
Well, in his good years Warner had talent around him few other QBs have enjoyed. His stats at his peak may have been better, but his career overall I dare say not. You’re the GM of a team. You have to pick one of these QBs to run your offense - prime Eli or prime Warner. Who do you pick? If your answer is Eli, enjoy your 8-8, 9-7 season. More unexpected career, Warner or Brady? Somehow the NFL totally underestimated their talents, but they found success due to injuries of the guys they were respectively backing up. Brady inexplicably dropped to pick #199, but at least he attended a major program, fought his way to prominence and had big games on big stages before the NFL. Warner went to Northern Iowa and then bounced around the football world for a while before suddenly catching fire. Two of the oddest stories in football and they happened around the same time. To answer your question, I have to go Warner. I hear what hehatesshe is saying regarding Warner having superior talent surrounding him, but just going by the how I remember either of them at their peak, I think Warner was better. Quicker reads and more accurate throws. I do think Eli will make the Hall of Fame based on his longevity, two historic Super Bowl comebacks, and the Manning name.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 23, 2020 16:04:34 GMT
Well, in his good years Warner had talent around him few other QBs have enjoyed. His stats at his peak may have been better, but his career overall I dare say not. You’re the GM of a team. You have to pick one of these QBs to run your offense - prime Eli or prime Warner. Who do you pick? If your answer is Eli, enjoy your 8-8, 9-7 season. Or ya know, 11-5 or 12-4. You could definitely argue Warner is better and I might agree, but you can't argue that he didn't have much better talent around him. Maybe he could have gone 12 and 4 with Eli's '08 team, but he never had to.
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Post by hehatesshe on Jan 23, 2020 16:12:52 GMT
Well, in his good years Warner had talent around him few other QBs have enjoyed. His stats at his peak may have been better, but his career overall I dare say not. You’re the GM of a team. You have to pick one of these QBs to run your offense - prime Eli or prime Warner. Who do you pick? If your answer is Eli, enjoy your 8-8, 9-7 season. I get your point, and 1 season would be Warner. But you're moving the goal posts here, because we're talking about the hall of fame, and you don't make the HoF based on 1 year. I'll stand by the statement that if Kurt Warner and his 1 SB win, 2 SB loses,9-4 postseason record, 4.7 good seasons, and 4 full NFL seasons over his career can get in, Eli and his 2 SB wins, 2 SB MVPs, 8-4 postseason record, a debatable amount of good seasons, and 14 full NFL seasons is a lock. But honestly, if I had to pick between the two, I'd pick neither and run the wildcat.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jan 23, 2020 16:13:42 GMT
You’re the GM of a team. You have to pick one of these QBs to run your offense - prime Eli or prime Warner. Who do you pick? If your answer is Eli, enjoy your 8-8, 9-7 season. Or ya know, 11-5 or 12-4. You could definitely argue Warner is better and I might agree, but you can't argue that he didn't have much better talent around him. Maybe he could have gone 12 and 4 with Eli's '08 team, but he never had to. I’m not knocking Eli. I voted yes on this poll and his rings speak for themselves. But outside of the ring years what was he? A steady, healthy, decent quarterback with a .500 record INCLUDING the SB years. Who did Warner have in Arizona? Fitzgerald, Boldin and a washed up James?
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 23, 2020 16:17:48 GMT
Or ya know, 11-5 or 12-4. You could definitely argue Warner is better and I might agree, but you can't argue that he didn't have much better talent around him. Maybe he could have gone 12 and 4 with Eli's '08 team, but he never had to. I’m not knocking Eli. I voted yes on this poll and his rings speak for themselves. But outside of the ring years what was he? A steady, healthy, decent quarterback with a .500 record INCLUDING the SB years. Who did Warner have in Arizona? Fitzgerald, Boldin and a washed up James? Warner also never went more than 10 and 6 in Arizona. He only ever had dominant seasons when he had extraordinary talent. I'm also not knocking Warner. I think he's worthy of his Hall of Fame status.
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Post by hehatesshe on Jan 23, 2020 16:19:57 GMT
Or ya know, 11-5 or 12-4. You could definitely argue Warner is better and I might agree, but you can't argue that he didn't have much better talent around him. Maybe he could have gone 12 and 4 with Eli's '08 team, but he never had to. I’m not knocking Eli. I voted yes on this poll and his rings speak for themselves. But outside of the ring years what was he? A steady, healthy, decent quarterback with a .500 record INCLUDING the SB years. Who did Warner have in Arizona? Fitzgerald, Boldin and a washed up James? That sounds pretty good to me. 2 all pro receivers opens up things for everyone else, even a washed up James.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jan 23, 2020 16:24:00 GMT
I’m not knocking Eli. I voted yes on this poll and his rings speak for themselves. But outside of the ring years what was he? A steady, healthy, decent quarterback with a .500 record INCLUDING the SB years. Who did Warner have in Arizona? Fitzgerald, Boldin and a washed up James? That sounds pretty good to me. 2 all pro receivers opens up things for everyone else, even a washed up James. And Eli always had good running backs and fair to good WRs.
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Post by hehatesshe on Jan 23, 2020 16:37:50 GMT
That sounds pretty good to me. 2 all pro receivers opens up things for everyone else, even a washed up James. And Eli always had good running backs and fair to good WRs. If memory serves, his pro-bowl weapons start and end at Tiki Barber, Jeremy Shocky(sp), and Victor Cruz. I'd take 1 of either Fitz, Boldin, Holt, Bruce, or Faulk over all 3.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 23, 2020 16:42:36 GMT
And Eli always had good running backs and fair to good WRs. If memory serves, his pro-bowl weapons start and end at Tiki Barber, Jeremy Shocky(sp), and Victor Cruz. I'd take 1 of either Fitz, Boldin, Holt, Bruce, or Faulk over all 3. Haven't looked it up, but I assume Plax also went to a pro bowl. But still, Warner's best year in Arizona was 10 and 6.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 23, 2020 17:00:48 GMT
Yeah.
Jim Plunkett was brought up. But Plunkett was a bust at two stops before the Raiders. He never had more than 3000 yards passing in a season. Even at his Raiders peak, he never started more than more than 10 games twice. Yeah a lot of that was the strange fascination the team had with Marc Wilson but all the more reason. You don't bench a HOF QB for Marc Wilson. The only real knocks on Eli is that he never really had jaw dropping numbers but he never played in a system than allowed him to put up jaw dropping numbers. And he wasn't as good as his brother.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jan 23, 2020 17:48:26 GMT
Yeah. Jim Plunkett was brought up. But Plunkett was a bust at two stops before the Raiders. He never had more than 3000 yards passing in a season. Even at his Raiders peak, he never started more than more than 10 games twice. Yeah a lot of that was the strange fascination the team had with Marc Wilson but all the more reason. You don't bench a HOF QB for Marc Wilson. The only real knocks on Eli is that he never really had jaw dropping numbers but he never played in a system than allowed him to put up jaw dropping numbers. And he wasn't as good as his brother. There definitely seems to be a double standard and bias toward the modern era, I doubt Plunkett or Tom Flores will ever get in. I actually thought of Flores, when they were congratulating Jimmy Johnson on TV.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 23, 2020 18:18:39 GMT
Yeah. Jim Plunkett was brought up. But Plunkett was a bust at two stops before the Raiders. He never had more than 3000 yards passing in a season. Even at his Raiders peak, he never started more than more than 10 games twice. Yeah a lot of that was the strange fascination the team had with Marc Wilson but all the more reason. You don't bench a HOF QB for Marc Wilson. The only real knocks on Eli is that he never really had jaw dropping numbers but he never played in a system than allowed him to put up jaw dropping numbers. And he wasn't as good as his brother. There definitely seems to be a double standard and bias toward the modern era, I doubt Plunkett or Tom Flores will ever get in. I actually thought of Flores, when they were congratulating Jimmy Johnson on TV. I can make a case for Flores, Yeah, yeah, 97-87 record. But most of the 2nd number was the 3 seasons in Seattle. John Madden only had 5 more wins. And it must have been a treat to coach the Raiders at that time. To keep the focus on the field with the move to LA and the lawsuits over their heads. Flores and Al constantly butted heads over on field decisions, the aforementioned Plunkett/Wilson QB controversy. I don't think he will get in but I'd consider it if i got a vote.
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Post by hehatesshe on Jan 23, 2020 21:37:54 GMT
If memory serves, his pro-bowl weapons start and end at Tiki Barber, Jeremy Shocky(sp), and Victor Cruz. I'd take 1 of either Fitz, Boldin, Holt, Bruce, or Faulk over all 3. Haven't looked it up, but I assume Plax also went to a pro bowl. But still, Warner's best year in Arizona was 10 and 6. He did not.
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Post by jean74 on Jan 23, 2020 21:46:36 GMT
Question everybody is asking on NFL.com is if Eli is a Hall of Fame with two Super Bowls plus Man of the Year. Though he can and never will outlive the shadows of Peyton. Just my two cents worth.
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