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Post by kaasa on Feb 19, 2017 8:24:08 GMT
After seeing the thread for Laura I was inspired to create this.
Two well regarded classics I don't care for is Laura and the Exterminating Angel. I found them to be so boring, particularly Laura.
So what does everybody else got?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 8:41:59 GMT
I could take or leave The Graduate. I only managed to survive 10 mins of The Snows of Kilimanjaro, just couldn't get past the tacked on animal scenes I understand special effects were limited back then but they are just really bad in this film and I have seen the original Tarzan films!
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Post by Matthew the Swordsman on Feb 19, 2017 11:09:01 GMT
"All that Heaven Allows", beautifully filmed, but the script is a trite melodrama. There is one scene, where the lead character is presented with a TV set, and she looks as if a child just died. That scene may be the nadir of 1950s cinema.
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Post by wmcclain on Feb 19, 2017 13:17:05 GMT
I confess I don't get the cult of Citizen Kane as best film ever. Review and thumbnails: Citizen Kane (1941)
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Post by Catman 猫的主人 on Feb 19, 2017 14:46:42 GMT
I do not care for Gone With The Wind.
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Post by Richard Kimble on Feb 19, 2017 18:38:30 GMT
Okay here we go...
Lawrence of Arabia Vertigo Tom Jones Albert Finney Meryl Streep Rio Bravo Breakfast at Tiffany's Roman Holiday The Best Years Of Our Lives The Heiress A Place In The Sun Giant aside from Dean's scenes Easy Rider
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 20:52:06 GMT
Richard Kimble I agree with you on Breakfast at Tiffany's and Easy Rider. Roman Holiday was fun but a rather empty film, not deserving of "Classic" status.
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Post by Salzmank on Feb 19, 2017 21:28:28 GMT
Unlike Richard Kimble, I really like Vertigo, Rio Bravo, and Breakfast at Tiffany's, though Vertigo isn't a "personal favorite" per se. Unlike Kaasa, I love Laura, but it took me several times to really "get" it. Once you stop thinking of it as what it superficially is, a murder mystery (which, if you examine his filmography, director Otto Preminger seems never to have cared about), and start looking at the layers underneath, it becomes eminently more satisfying. The performances of Gene Tierney, Clifton Webb, and Dana Andrews are also particularly good.
I agree with Wmcclain that Kane is not the best film ever made--just among Orson's filmography, I prefer The Magnificent Ambersons and perhaps Touch of Evil, as much as I bemoan the former's existence only in truncated form--but it's still an excellent movie: cold, yes, but so very good and clever, and so pertinent to reflections on morality and meaning. Orson's characterization of Charlie Kane is good, but the side-tragedies of Jed Leland, Emily Kane, and Susan Kane are even better, methinks. And, needless to say, the filmmaking is superb.
I've got a family friend who can't stand Casablanca, but I'm fully with the majority on it; it may be my favorite movie of them all.
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Post by Salzmank on Feb 19, 2017 21:39:36 GMT
Classics that I don't like? I can't stand 2001: A Space Odyssey. To quote Andrew Sarris: it's "...a science-fiction project so devoid of life and feeling as to render a computer called Hal the most sympathetic character in a jumbled scenario. 2001: A Space Odyssey also confirms Kubrick's inability to tell a story on the screen with coherence and a consistent point of view. Kubrick's tragedy may have been that he was hailed a great artist before he had become a competent craftsman." I find M (1931) dreadfully, and deathly, dull, in spite of Peter Lorre's brilliant lead performance and the famous balloon scene. In fact, while I approve of his work in theory (paranoids in a world of those actually out to get you), I find most of Fritz Lang's movies to be dull. I really only liked Ministry of Fear (oh, and Metropolis too!), and, even then, there were elements to criticize. I think Night of the Living Dead is a terrible movie, in addition to its holding the dubious honor of kicking off the deplorable modern "zombie" craze. I always used to think The Haunting ('63) overrated and its remake ('99) underrated (OK, before everyone skins me alive, the remake is not a good movie, but there are parts and ideas of it that I think were somewhat clever--and the set design is gorgeous, as Roger Ebert emphasizes in his review. The climax, however, is both risible and terribly executed). Having watched the original again last Hallowe'en, it's better than I remembered it, and rather eerie, even though I still prefer the opening sequence, in which director Robert Wise is able to show off his excellent technical filmmaking skills, to the rest of the movie and find Julie Harris's acting, particularly her voiceover, to be more annoying than creepy. Alastair Sim is one of my favorite actors, but I find his Scrooge ('51) overrated (not bad, but overrated). I think Albert Finney gave a better Scrooge performance and that George C. Scott's version was my favorite all-round Christmas Carol adaptation. Does The Producers count as a classic? Does Airplane? I think the former is overrated (again, not bad) and the latter both overrated and bad. Airplane wins my award for the most overrated movie of all time, tied perhaps with Quentin Tarantino's--er--efforts. I really dislike it. I found In a Lonely Place interesting but muddled, despite two stellar central performances (from Bogie and Gloria Grahame). I'm not a great fan of Nicholas Ray's works. Not too crazy about Little Caesar or Scarface ('32), despite one of my favorite actors (Eddie G.) in the former and one of my favorite directors (Howard Hawks) helming the latter. I've seen a good number of superior '30s and '40s gangster flicks. Oh, and the big one that I forgot-- High Noon! Nope, never liked that movie. Nor did Howard Hawks or John Wayne, apparently, because it inspired them to make a rebuttal to it in Rio Bravo. Wow, how's that for negativity? Don't worry, I can make a list of my most underrated films too!
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Post by Richard Kimble on Feb 19, 2017 23:46:45 GMT
I forgot about 2001 or I would have listed it too. In fact I don't care for any Kubrick post-Strangelove
I agree that The Producers is somewhat overpraised, as the direction of Mel Brooks is terrible. Still it has some great moments, and "Springtime For Hitler " is a classic.
I love Airplane, aside from the limp-wristed guy who almost ruins the last act.
I'm not a huge High Noon fan (I almost listed it myself). I think the premise was much better done in Silver Lode two years later. But HN was the first to use this idea (subsequently done to death by TV westerns) so I give credit where it's due
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Post by LaurenceBranagh on Feb 20, 2017 0:07:21 GMT
I'm not a big fan of Howard Hawks films (although I did enjoy Red River).
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Post by Richard Kimble on Feb 20, 2017 0:09:10 GMT
I'm not a big fan of Howard Hughes films (although I did enjoy Red River). You mean Hawks?
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Post by LaurenceBranagh on Feb 20, 2017 0:10:15 GMT
I'm not a big fan of Howard Hughes films (although I did enjoy Red River). You mean Hawks? Oops, yes, Hawks. I'll edit my original post
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Post by geode on Feb 20, 2017 0:46:38 GMT
After seeing the thread for Laura I was inspired to create this. Two well regarded classics I don't care for is Laura and the Exterminating Angel. I found them to be so boring, particularly Laura. So what does everybody else got? I think Laura is great until the title character shows up. I always liked The Exterminating Angel, but I am the only one I know that has actually seen it. I don't care for The Philadelphia Story. I find characters I am supposed to like to be snooty and obnoxious. I like High Society better.
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Post by snsurone on Feb 20, 2017 0:47:08 GMT
I find some of David Lean's movies, especially LAWRENCE OF ARABIA and DR. ZHIVAGO vastly overblown, with more attention to sweep and spectacle than to story and character development.
I love GWTW and ROMAN HOLIDAY, and while I'll admit that CITIZEN KANE is brilliant filmmaking, it doesn't enthrall me, especially since the title character is disturbingly like Donald Trump.
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Post by kaasa on Feb 20, 2017 1:00:27 GMT
Richard Kimble I agree with you on Breakfast at Tiffany's and Easy Rider. Roman Holiday was fun but a rather empty film, not deserving of "Classic" status. Roman Holiday has that epic ending though. Powerful stuff with the performances and the way it was shot.
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Post by Salzmank on Feb 20, 2017 1:01:42 GMT
I find some of David Lean's movies, especially LAWRENCE OF ARABIA and DR. ZHIVAGO vastly overblown, with more attention to sweep and spectacle than to story and character development. I love GWTW and ROMAN HOLIDAY, and while I'll admit that CITIZEN KANE is brilliant filmmaking, it doesn't enthrall me, especially since the title character is disturbingly like Donald Trump. I like Dr. Zhivago; I must confess to never having seen Lawrence of Arabia. (I know, I know!) You may be interested to know the critics at the time agreed with you on Zhivago. The Wikipedia page details a number of their criticisms, and my favorite critic, Andrew Sarris, wrote, "...David Lean has labored on but one additional superproduction, Dr. Zhivago, a work with more commercial than critical success, a work also of the most impeccable impersonality, and not even an Oscar to show for such self-abnegation." As I said, I do like Zhivago, but I think that, on the whole, Lean was stronger in his salad days, with (relatively) smaller pictures (not "superproductions") like Great Expectations, Oliver Twist (a particular favorite), and Brief Encounter, because his ego had not yet gotten the better of him. That happens, unfortunately, to many of even my favorite directors. I'm not going to get into politics, but one of the points about Kane that makes it so brilliant, I feel, is that you're not supposed to like Charlie Kane. Pity him, yes, ultimately mourn for his lost youth and the lack of simplicity that meant more than all the money in the world--yes--but not like him as a person. I think it a great movie, one of the greatest, even though I don't call anything "the greatest of all time" and have my reasons for preferring The Magnificent Ambersons (warmer, more engaging, even as it touches on many of the same themes) and even Touch of Evil.
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Post by geode on Feb 20, 2017 1:05:24 GMT
I find some of David Lean's movies, especially LAWRENCE OF ARABIA and DR. ZHIVAGO vastly overblown, with more attention to sweep and spectacle than to story and character development. I love GWTW and ROMAN HOLIDAY, and while I'll admit that CITIZEN KANE is brilliant filmmaking, it doesn't enthrall me, especially since the title character is disturbingly like Donald Trump. Have you heard that Citizen Kane is Trump's favorite film?
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Post by kaasa on Feb 20, 2017 1:37:41 GMT
I find some of David Lean's movies, especially LAWRENCE OF ARABIA and DR. ZHIVAGO vastly overblown, with more attention to sweep and spectacle than to story and character development. I love GWTW and ROMAN HOLIDAY, and while I'll admit that CITIZEN KANE is brilliant filmmaking, it doesn't enthrall me, especially since the title character is disturbingly like Donald Trump. Have you heard that Citizen Kane is Trump's favorite film? Not surprising since Trump prefers black & white films.
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Post by Richard Kimble on Feb 20, 2017 1:41:16 GMT
I don't care for The Philadelphia Story. Neither do I
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