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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 5, 2020 13:21:27 GMT
What exactly is it you aren't understanding? If the world as you know it is going to drop away or end when you die, how the frick can it still be here for you? Dude, you literally just said something different than what I said and then acted like I said what you said instead of what I said. If you want to answer, answer what I said. Not your fantasy version of what you think I meant. Otherwise you just look dishonest. I have answered your question, you just don't understand dude. This is you: I said that you said, that I said that he said. What is your answer to what I asked about you about not understanding? Please don't divert to avoid answering.
Is it your fantasy to think the world is existing when you won't be here to experience it. For the 10th time, how and where does it exist? What exactly will be here to exist when you won't exist? Do things exist when you are not thinking of them or aware of them? Now use your brains, I thought you were smart and sharp.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2020 13:41:03 GMT
Dude, you literally just said something different than what I said and then acted like I said what you said instead of what I said. If you want to answer, answer what I said. Not your fantasy version of what you think I meant. Otherwise you just look dishonest. I have answered your question I didn't ask a question. What you asked me about understanding was nothing to do with anything I said. Try again.[/div]
In order - no, that isn't a fantasy. The world will exist as it does now. And yes, things exist when I am not thinking of them or aware of them.
I honestly wish I could say the feeling is mutual. But you too often talk bizarre nonsense and then act like it's profound insight.
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Post by mecano04 on Feb 5, 2020 13:47:30 GMT
Not afraid at all.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 5, 2020 13:55:26 GMT
I have answered your question I didn't ask a question. What you asked me about understanding was nothing to do with anything I said. Try again. [/div]
In order - no, that isn't a fantasy. The world will exist as it does now. And yes, things exist when I am not thinking of them or aware of them.
I honestly wish I could say the feeling is mutual. But you too often talk bizarre nonsense and then act like it's profound insight. [/quote][/div]
Now I will ask again, How and where do things exist, if you are not aware of them? If you think they do, then where is the evidence of the world existing, for the experience of those that are dead? Remember, I am not talking about your current momentary experience of existence, because you are arguing for existence after one is dead and gone.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2020 14:02:49 GMT
Your avatar of your comic dinosaur is very ironic, your mind hasn't evolved or really had the penny drop. You haven't come into the profound insight, because you think existence as matter is forever, even when you are dead.... Obviously.
And again, you dishonestly change what I'm talking about. I haven't said the world will exist "for the experience of those that are dead". That's just nonsense you made up.
Talk about what I said, or don't talk to me at all.
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Post by Stammerhead on Feb 5, 2020 14:09:12 GMT
How important is this for you? Is your inability to detect humour in my contributions causing you actual pain? Difficult to detect humor, when it is stagnant. Are you in actual pain? 
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 5, 2020 14:10:20 GMT
Your avatar of your comic dinosaur is very ironic, your mind hasn't evolved or really had the penny drop. You haven't come into the profound insight, because you think existence as matter is forever, even when you are dead.... Obviously.
And again, you dishonestly change what I'm talking about. I haven't said the world will exist "for the experience of those that are dead". That's just nonsense you made up.
Talk about what I said, or don't talk to me at all.
Yeah! It is pretty damn obvious that you haven’t had any profound insight. Your deflection has been duly noted, because now you don’t even know what you have been arguing for. Did you, or did you not argue for the universe as you know it, existing\continuing after a person is dead?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 5, 2020 14:11:14 GMT
Difficult to detect humor, when it is stagnant. Are you in actual pain? Well in regards to your sense of humor, yes, it is painful.
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Post by Stammerhead on Feb 5, 2020 14:17:59 GMT
Are you in actual pain? Well in regards to your sense of humor, yes, it is painful. 
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2020 14:36:49 GMT
Your deflection has been duly noted, because now you don’t even know what you have been arguing for. Did you, or did you not argue for the universe as you know it, existing\continuing after a person is dead? No I did not. Try again, this time without changing it.
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Post by gameboy on Feb 5, 2020 14:57:45 GMT
I researched it more though. Purgatory is for people who have to work off more sins before they can get into Heaven. Limbo is where unbaptized babies and people who lived before Jesus go. The two are different. That is just some bogus religious reasoning behind what it is. It is a delusion of meaninglessness for those who aren't religious. One would have to define sin and how do we know that earth isn't purgatory. Oh bullshit, Toasty. I find religion fascinating, not because I necessarily do or don't believe it's true. I just love the study of human thought and philosophy. It's like if I tell you about the Greek god Pan and his sexy flute, and you hiss back at me "There was no Pan. He was a meaningless delusion! Pan was a woodlands fairy!" I guess you're saying we can't talk about anything ever believed unless you yourself believe in it too. It's complete vanity and arrogance on your part.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 5, 2020 22:21:27 GMT
That is just some bogus religious reasoning behind what it is. It is a delusion of meaninglessness for those who aren't religious. One would have to define sin and how do we know that earth isn't purgatory. Oh bullshit, Toasty. I find religion fascinating, not because I necessarily do or don't believe it's true. I just love the study of human thought and philosophy. It's like if I tell you about the Greek god Pan and his sexy flute, and you hiss back at me "There was no Pan. He was a meaningless delusion! Pan was a woodlands fairy!" I guess you're saying we can't talk about anything ever believed unless you yourself believe in it too. It's complete vanity and arrogance on your part. The culture and history of religion can be fascinating, but to claim that there is a literal difference between a religious notion of belief in purgatory and limbo is utter bulls<>t. How can this possibly be proven, when it is only born out of a belief, that is only made “real” due to delusion of belief. What Pan means to you, which is Greek mythology and just symbolic of something that the majority of people only DO see as a fairy tale, operates on a different dynamic, to a religious order in modern day, that do peddle their vain and arrogant bulls<>t onto current followers as being truth of God, when it operates from lies and manipulation of power.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 5, 2020 22:45:07 GMT
Your deflection has been duly noted, because now you don’t even know what you have been arguing for. Did you, or did you not argue for the universe as you know it, existing\continuing after a person is dead? No I did not. Try again, this time without changing it.
So point proven, you are insecure in your stance, as to keep denying it.
Where will existence be after one is not aware of it, even though you have claimed several times on this thread that the world will still be here after one is dead?
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Post by gameboy on Feb 6, 2020 4:08:33 GMT
Oh bullshit, Toasty. I find religion fascinating, not because I necessarily do or don't believe it's true. I just love the study of human thought and philosophy. It's like if I tell you about the Greek god Pan and his sexy flute, and you hiss back at me "There was no Pan. He was a meaningless delusion! Pan was a woodlands fairy!" I guess you're saying we can't talk about anything ever believed unless you yourself believe in it too. It's complete vanity and arrogance on your part. The culture and history of religion can be fascinating, but to claim that there is a literal difference between a religious notion of belief in purgatory and limbo is utter bulls<>t. How can this possibly be proven, when it is only born out of a belief, that is only made “real” due to delusion of belief. What Pan means to you, which is Greek mythology and just symbolic of something that the majority of people only DO see as a fairy tale, operates on a different dynamic, to a religious order in modern day, that do peddle their vain and arrogant bulls<>t onto current followers as being truth of God, when it operates from lies and manipulation of power. But Greek religion was not a fairy tale. It explained in very real terms the natural forces of the universe. I've been into the occult and paganism. Frankly, it creates practical results. Perhaps it's similar to the 'power of positive thinking' and disciplines which business people use in their daily lives for success. These principles do work. In AA when I did my Higher Power prayer, work went great. If I was depressed and said fuck it, no appeal to the Higher Power, things never went so well. I don't think Christianity and Catholicism began as cynical attempts to control people. They were a means people used before science to understand the universe.
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Post by dianachristensen on Feb 6, 2020 4:15:57 GMT
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Post by Winter_King on Feb 6, 2020 10:52:54 GMT
If there is nothing when we die, I'm assuming it will be something like it was before I was born. I don't have any particular feelings about that time and I'm assuming nothingness won't bother me.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 6, 2020 10:58:35 GMT
The culture and history of religion can be fascinating, but to claim that there is a literal difference between a religious notion of belief in purgatory and limbo is utter bulls<>t. How can this possibly be proven, when it is only born out of a belief, that is only made “real” due to delusion of belief. What Pan means to you, which is Greek mythology and just symbolic of something that the majority of people only DO see as a fairy tale, operates on a different dynamic, to a religious order in modern day, that do peddle their vain and arrogant bulls<>t onto current followers as being truth of God, when it operates from lies and manipulation of power. But Greek religion was not a fairy tale. It explained in very real terms the natural forces of the universe. I've been into the occult and paganism. Frankly, it creates practical results. Perhaps it's similar to the 'power of positive thinking' and disciplines which business people use in their daily lives for success. These principles do work. In AA when I did my Higher Power prayer, work went great. If I was depressed and said fuck it, no appeal to the Higher Power, things never went so well. I don't think Christianity and Catholicism began as cynical attempts to control people. They were a means people used before science to understand the universe. They are still a fairy tale\myth\legend, whatever it is you want to call it. An ancient story to express something about being in the world, when the world existed, before we know it as what it is now. The culture\art associated with these religions, not so much customs, need to be retained, but they can't be taken anymore seriously than Christianity and Islam. They are delusion of belief only about what God represents. Hinduism and perhaps Greek mythology, is more about bringing it all together as whole, not about divisiveness of man from god.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 6, 2020 10:59:23 GMT
If there is nothing when we die, I'm assuming it will be something like it was before I was born. I don't have any particular feelings about that time and I'm assuming nothingness won't bother me. It is all nothingness, that is what we are. It is the ego mind that thinks we are something.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 13:30:47 GMT
So point proven, you are insecure in your stance, as to keep denying it. No. To be generous, you appear incapable of understanding what my stance is. To be ungenerous, you keep lying about what it is. I'm completely secure in the claim I made, and pretty much any rational person would agree with it. But I'm not going to argue about a claim I haven't made, no matter how much you want me to. You can whine about that all you like I really don't care.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 6, 2020 13:43:00 GMT
So point proven, you are insecure in your stance, as to keep denying it. No. To be generous, you appear incapable of understanding what my stance is. To be ungenerous, you keep lying about what it is. I'm completely secure in the claim I made, and pretty much any rational person would agree with it. But I'm not going to argue about a claim I haven't made, no matter how much you want me to. You can whine about that all you like I really don't care. You are just backpedaling and evading in your own irrationality, due to your pigheadedness. Keep playing devil’s advocate if you like, because I know you can’t answer the questions I posed to you without having to surrender your pride. It’s what it is and you can’t argue the truth.
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