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Post by gameboy on Feb 4, 2020 4:00:02 GMT
You're right. I should have specified. There are alternatives to the heaven or hell dichotomy. Don't the Catholics have Limbo? Never heard a priest speak about Limbo to be honest. Clusium is Catholic and clarified the Catholic word for me - Purgatory. The priests don't talk about Purgatory?
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Post by Ass_E9 on Feb 4, 2020 4:16:18 GMT
 "Ha! Imagine that."
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Post by kls on Feb 4, 2020 4:33:44 GMT
Never heard a priest speak about Limbo to be honest. Clusium is Catholic and clarified the Catholic word for me - Purgatory. The priests don't talk about Purgatory? Not much. I can't say I never heard any speak of it, but only a few times that I recall.
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Feb 4, 2020 4:53:02 GMT
The thought of existing forever in any form is scarier to me than one day not existing.
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Feb 4, 2020 4:57:32 GMT
Never heard a priest speak about Limbo to be honest.
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Post by gameboy on Feb 4, 2020 5:13:20 GMT
Clusium is Catholic and clarified the Catholic word for me - Purgatory. The priests don't talk about Purgatory? No I'm a bit confused. Are Purgatory and Limbo different places?
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Feb 4, 2020 5:25:38 GMT
Priests DO talk about Purgatory. Every once-in-awhile we PRAY for the SOULS in Purgatory. They NEVER talk about Limbo since it PROBABLY DOESN'T exist as Heaven, Purgatory and Hell ALL three DO EXIST!  , they ARE two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, SEPARATE and DISTINCT places. PLUS, Purgatory EXISTS and Limbo MAY or MAY NOT EXIST and MOST-PROBABLY DOESN'T.
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Post by gameboy on Feb 4, 2020 5:41:34 GMT
No I'm a bit confused. Are Purgatory and Limbo different places?
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Post by judgejosephdredd on Feb 4, 2020 6:53:03 GMT
The concept of afterlife extends further beyond the existence of a heaven and a hell though.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 4, 2020 9:47:57 GMT
Priests DO talk about Purgatory. Every once-in-awhile we PRAY for the SOULS in Purgatory. They NEVER talk about Limbo since it PROBABLY DOESN'T exist as Heaven, Purgatory and Hell ALL three DO EXIST! No I'm a bit confused. Are Purgatory and Limbo different places? You are being too literal. Nobody knows exactly what happens after one dies. Religion is faith based. Not fact based. People believe in religion based on faith. Not knowledge or facts. Whatever stories religions tell to teach faith need not be exact. Just conceptual. |
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Post by Stammerhead on Feb 4, 2020 11:21:40 GMT
No I'm a bit confused. Are Purgatory and Limbo different places? In my story Jonny Limbo it’s where you go while your case is being assessed. 
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Post by gameboy on Feb 4, 2020 16:15:08 GMT
No I'm a bit confused. Are Purgatory and Limbo different places? You are being too literal. Nobody knows exactly what happens after one dies. Religion is faith based. Not fact based. People believe in religion based on faith. Not knowledge or facts. Whatever stories religions tell to teach faith need not be exact. Just conceptual. The Catholic Church is quite explicit about Purgatory and Limbo, Heaven and Hell.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 4, 2020 16:50:45 GMT
You are being too literal. Nobody knows exactly what happens after one dies. Religion is faith based. Not fact based. People believe in religion based on faith. Not knowledge or facts. Whatever stories religions tell to teach faith need not be exact. Just conceptual. The Catholic Church is quite explicit about Purgatory and Limbo, Heaven and Hell. The Catholic Church, religion and faith are three different things. I believe in God. I have religion. I don't belong to any church. Religion and faith are personal. The Catholic Church is a religious social group. If there is a God and a Heaven, God's not going to care what church you belong to. He's only going to care about your personal actions, thoughts and beliefs. If there is a God and a Heaven, churches and religions don't go to Heaven. Only individuals do. |
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Post by gameboy on Feb 4, 2020 17:12:48 GMT
The Catholic Church is quite explicit about Purgatory and Limbo, Heaven and Hell. The Catholic Church, religion and faith are three different things. I believe in God. I have religion. I don't belong to any church. Religion and faith are personal. The Catholic Church is a religious social group. If there is a God and a Heaven, God's not going to care what church you belong to. He's only going to care about your personal actions, thoughts and beliefs. If there is a God and a Heaven, churches and religions don't go to Heaven. Only individuals do. I'm not Catholic. But we were talking about Limbo and Purgatory, those are Catholic concepts.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 4, 2020 17:26:09 GMT
The Catholic Church, religion and faith are three different things. I believe in God. I have religion. I don't belong to any church. Religion and faith are personal. The Catholic Church is a religious social group. If there is a God and a Heaven, God's not going to care what church you belong to. He's only going to care about your personal actions, thoughts and beliefs. If there is a God and a Heaven, churches and religions don't go to Heaven. Only individuals do. I'm not Catholic. But we were talking about Limbo and Purgatory, those are Catholic concepts. I was raised Catholic. But I'm not anymore. They have lots of stupidity. But with all due respect, their constructs are conceptual. Nobody is supposed to take them literally. I know lots of Catholics do. Even some in the Church. But that's because they lack the mental ability to see things conceptually. Nobody knows for sure. Most Catholics understand this. And also, specifics are there for children. Children generally lack the mental ability to conceptualize. If one waits until a person is old and smart enough to conceptualize, it's already too late for most. And for those who are just stupid, it's better to have a dumb person fear God, than be immoral. |
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Post by gameboy on Feb 4, 2020 23:40:56 GMT
I'm not Catholic. But we were talking about Limbo and Purgatory, those are Catholic concepts. I was raised Catholic. But I'm not anymore. They have lots of stupidity. But with all due respect, their constructs are conceptual. Nobody is supposed to take them literally. I know lots of Catholics do. Even some in the Church. But that's because they lack the mental ability to see things conceptually. Nobody knows for sure. Most Catholics understand this. And also, specifics are there for children. Children generally lack the mental ability to conceptualize. If one waits until a person is old and smart enough to conceptualize, it's already too late for most. And for those who are just stupid, it's better to have a dumb person fear God, than be immoral. I beg to differ. If church doctrine holds there is a Purgatory for souls to work off their sins, and there is a Limbo where unbaptized infants and pagans go, how is that "conceptual" and not literal? Nothing I've read from Catholic theologians suggests that.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 5, 2020 2:08:04 GMT
I was raised Catholic. But I'm not anymore. They have lots of stupidity. But with all due respect, their constructs are conceptual. Nobody is supposed to take them literally. I know lots of Catholics do. Even some in the Church. But that's because they lack the mental ability to see things conceptually. Nobody knows for sure. Most Catholics understand this. And also, specifics are there for children. Children generally lack the mental ability to conceptualize. If one waits until a person is old and smart enough to conceptualize, it's already too late for most. And for those who are just stupid, it's better to have a dumb person fear God, than be immoral. I beg to differ. If church doctrine holds there is a Purgatory for souls to work off their sins, and there is a Limbo where unbaptized infants and pagans go, how is that "conceptual" and not literal? Nothing I've read from Catholic theologians suggests that. The concept is bad people will be punished. Good people will be rewarded. And everyone should get their kids baptized. Those are the concepts. |
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Post by gameboy on Feb 5, 2020 2:16:56 GMT
I beg to differ. If church doctrine holds there is a Purgatory for souls to work off their sins, and there is a Limbo where unbaptized infants and pagans go, how is that "conceptual" and not literal? Nothing I've read from Catholic theologians suggests that. The concept is bad people will be punished. Good people will be rewarded. And everyone shpuld get their kids baptized. Those are the concepts. That's general. But different sects and churches go into more detail. Catholic doctrine states there is a place called Purgatory and a place called Limbo. That's quite literal.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 5, 2020 2:19:07 GMT
The concept is bad people will be punished. Good people will be rewarded. And everyone shpuld get their kids baptized. Those are the concepts. That's general. But different sects and churches go into more detail. Catholic doctrine states there is a place called Purgatory and a place called Limbo. That's quite literal. I know. And that's stupid. But --- stupid works with stupid people. And children. Stupid people and children are not mentally advanced enough to think conceptually. |
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Post by gameboy on Feb 5, 2020 2:24:47 GMT
That's general. But different sects and churches go into more detail. Catholic doctrine states there is a place called Purgatory and a place called Limbo. That's quite literal. I know. And that's stupid. But --- stupid works with stupid people. And children. Stupid people and children are not mentally advanced enough to think conceptually. I don't think Thomas Aquinas and Saint Augustine were stupid people. Many intelligent people believe this stuff.
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