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Post by jamesbamesy on Feb 2, 2020 1:11:32 GMT
It’s scary in the sense that you don’t know what’s actually coming and if it might have been all a lie your whole life, which is the most devastating thing. This is especially true for heaven, as that would mean there’d be no “resting in peace.” What is coming though? What’s coming is your fate after death, which is ambiguous.The (possible) lie being that heaven and hell are in fact real.If you grew up learning that though, then you would have no real acknowledgment that you were lying to yourself. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2020 1:46:23 GMT
The weird thing is realising that the world is going to go on without you, and your absence really won't make a noticeable difference. Even those who know you, most of them are going to be like "Oh man, that sucks" and maybe sad for a bit... and then they'll just get on with their lives and you'll just be that guy they knew who died. If you are dead, how do you know it will go on without you? What truth of evidence purports to that, if you are not here to witness it? Because it goes on without everyone else who dies. And for that matter, it went along just fine before me.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 2, 2020 2:03:42 GMT
What’s coming is your fate after death, which is ambiguous.The (possible) lie being that heaven and hell are in fact real.If you grew up learning that though, then you would have no real acknowledgment that you were lying to yourself. What about the fate of living a human life, rather than worry about what happens after? People live in perpetual state of fear of death and yet we are surrounded by it. The rest of it is all made up bulls<>t due to ignorance and lack of understanding of being.
It is up to each and everyone of us to see what is truth about our lives. Buying into lies isn't going to help. If this is what we are conditioning onto each other, then only you can break that cycle. What has gone before isn't relevant then, that is just the process, due to your experience as a human. None of us are here by accident.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 2, 2020 2:07:49 GMT
If you are dead, how do you know it will go on without you? What truth of evidence purports to that, if you are not here to witness it? Because it goes on without everyone else who dies. And for that matter, it went along just fine before me. How could you possibly know that if you weren't here, or are not here? While you are alive, you can only account for your experience of life as present, but don't account for what others may still be experiencing, because the dream of living, is just building up into the reality of death. Neither life nor death are separate. Living is unto dying, what dying is unto living.
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Post by jamesbamesy on Feb 2, 2020 2:19:20 GMT
What’s coming is your fate after death, which is ambiguous.The (possible) lie being that heaven and hell are in fact real.If you grew up learning that though, then you would have no real acknowledgment that you were lying to yourself. What about the fate of living a human life, rather than worry about what happens after? People live in perpetual state of fear of death and yet we are surrounded by it. The rest of it is all made up bulls<>t due to ignorance and lack of understanding of being.
It is up to each and everyone of us to see what is truth about our lives. Buying into lies isn't going to help. If this is what we are conditioning onto each other, then only you can break that cycle. What has gone before isn't relevant then, that is just the process, due to your experience as a human. None of us are here by accident.
I agree, but there is also a notion of insecurity in certain people and they have to abide by the general principles of life. Sometimes it isn’t easy to break that cycle of life. Some others aren’t like that of course, but what about them? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2020 2:30:48 GMT
Because it goes on without everyone else who dies. And for that matter, it went along just fine before me. How could you possibly know that if you weren't here How could I possibly know that it goes on without everyone else? I am here to see that. How can I know it went on before me? Because there's evidence of the past. This doesn't mean anything.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 2, 2020 2:37:25 GMT
What about the fate of living a human life, rather than worry about what happens after? People live in perpetual state of fear of death and yet we are surrounded by it. The rest of it is all made up bulls<>t due to ignorance and lack of understanding of being.
It is up to each and everyone of us to see what is truth about our lives. Buying into lies isn't going to help. If this is what we are conditioning onto each other, then only you can break that cycle. What has gone before isn't relevant then, that is just the process, due to your experience as a human. None of us are here by accident.
I agree, but there is also a notion of insecurity in certain people and they have to abide by the general principles of life. Sometimes it isn’t easy to break that cycle of life. Some others aren’t like that of course, but what about them? As humans, we then need to take a brand new and different approach to our lives on this planet. It is all going pear-shaped anyway. The important thing is your own individual awareness of being and making those connections and changes yourself. You can only lead by example.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 2, 2020 2:40:35 GMT
How could you possibly know that if you weren't here How could I possibly know that it goes on without everyone else? I am here to see that. How can I know it went on before me? Because there's evidence of the past. This doesn't mean anything. It is only evidence that your are perceiving as your life right now. How can you possible perceive this evidence, if you aren't' aware of it anymore? It will become irrelevant.
When you wake up it might, but I won't hold my breath. Do you not even acknowledge that you are dying as you are living? Sheeesh! What denial!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2020 2:47:33 GMT
How could I possibly know that it goes on without everyone else? I am here to see that. How can I know it went on before me? Because there's evidence of the past. This doesn't mean anything. It is only evidence that your are perceiving as your life right now. How can you possible perceive this evidence, if you aren't' aware of it anymore? It will become irrelevant. I'm arguing in the present, where I am aware of things.
I am awake, thanks. A dubious proposition with no relevance either way.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 2, 2020 2:57:12 GMT
It is only evidence that your are perceiving as your life right now. How can you possible perceive this evidence, if you aren't' aware of it anymore? It will become irrelevant. I'm arguing in the present, where I am aware of things.
I am awake, thanks. A dubious proposition with no relevance either way. Are you going to be in the present human realm when you are dead?
No, you are still in that sleepy waking haze that you don't appear to have snapped out of yet.
Yes, no relevance because of your perpetual state of denial. And to think you see yourself as a teacher.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2020 3:29:28 GMT
I'm arguing in the present, where I am aware of things.
I am awake, thanks. A dubious proposition with no relevance either way. Are you going to be in the present human realm when you are dead? It seems unlikely. But I am now, and now is when I am making the statement.
No, I'll be there in about half an hour, though.
Denial of what, exactly? No I don't. You're a little out of date.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 2, 2020 3:35:19 GMT
Are you going to be in the present human realm when you are dead? It seems unlikely. But I am now, and now is when I am making the statement.
No, I'll be there in about half an hour, though.
Denial of what, exactly? No I don't. You're a little out of date. You are making a redundant statement about something you can't possibly know, or be aware of once your current life has diminished.
Sweet dreams and perhaps you can wake up with the penny dropped.
Denial of your deluded state of being.
I guess that proves you weren't any good then.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2020 3:39:21 GMT
It seems unlikely. But I am now, and now is when I am making the statement.
No, I'll be there in about half an hour, though.
Denial of what, exactly? No I don't. You're a little out of date. You are making a redundant statement about something you can't possibly know, or be aware of once your current life has diminished. Once again - you seem to be taking the position that because I one day won't exist and therefore won't know things, I can't talk about them now. Sorry to be blunt, but that's stupid.
But one day you won't be aware of that, so according to you you can't say anything about it. 
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 2, 2020 3:42:00 GMT
You are making a redundant statement about something you can't possibly know, or be aware of once your current life has diminished. Once again - you seem to be taking the position that because I one day won't exist and therefore won't know things, I can't talk about them now. Sorry to be blunt, but that's stupid.
But one day you won't be aware of that, so according to you you can't say anything about it. But what is it you are actually talking about, except to defend your own denial and ignorance?
Say what you will, your teaching skills are irrelevant, as they always have been.
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Post by jamesbamesy on Feb 2, 2020 3:45:05 GMT
I agree, but there is also a notion of insecurity in certain people and they have to abide by the general principles of life. Sometimes it isn’t easy to break that cycle of life. Some others aren’t like that of course, but what about them? As humans, we then need to take a brand new and different approach to our lives on this planet. It is all going pear-shaped anyway. The important thing is your own individual awareness of being and making those connections and changes yourself. You can only lead by example. Okay, you win this one. Can’t argue with that. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2020 3:53:16 GMT
Once again - you seem to be taking the position that because I one day won't exist and therefore won't know things, I can't talk about them now. Sorry to be blunt, but that's stupid.
But one day you won't be aware of that, so according to you you can't say anything about it. But what is it you are actually talking about, except to defend your own denial and ignorance? Have you forgotten? I'll recap. I pointed out that people die and the world moves on without them. You seem to have an issue with this idea. You can't/won't actually articulate what that issue is, so you're just doing what you do - talking nonsense, issuing vague insults, etc. And here we are.
And yet, you brought them up anyway! Off to bed now, to actually be asleep for real. Night.
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Post by Harmless elf on Feb 2, 2020 4:02:49 GMT
But what is it you are actually talking about, except to defend your own denial and ignorance? Have you forgotten? I'll recap. I pointed out that people die and the world moves on without them. You seem to have an issue with this idea. You can't/won't actually articulate what that issue is, so you're just doing what you do - talking nonsense, issuing vague insults, etc. And here we are.
And yet, you brought them up anyway! Off to bed now, to actually be asleep for real. Night. I understand what toasted cheese is getting at though. when you're asleep time goes by in a Flash it's like it never happened so when you die it really isn't like the world is going on without you because it's like you're asleep. basically a billion years will pass like a Flash and everyone will actually be gone as well. When you die the world dies too |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 2, 2020 8:13:32 GMT
But what is it you are actually talking about, except to defend your own denial and ignorance? Have you forgotten? I'll recap. I pointed out that people die and the world moves on without them. You seem to have an issue with this idea. You can't/won't actually articulate what that issue is, so you're just doing what you do - talking nonsense, issuing vague insults, etc. And here we are.
And yet, you brought them up anyway! Off to bed now, to actually be asleep for real. Night. The world in which YOU are witnessing is moving on when others die around you, that is the illusion projected, but what choice does one have but to keep moving on until it then becomes their turn to die? How can you possibly account for the world moving on for a dead person? You are the witnesser of your own life, not someone else. Your dream will be over when the physical dies. This won't exist. What will you be accounting for then? Where will the world be when you are dead? In fact, where is it now? Yes, your nonsense of delusion is and has always been apparent.
Your teaching skills are irrelevant to me, because you hardly ever tell me much that is useful. Most atheists don't when it comes to philosophy of mind. When you are asleep tonight and not aware of the world around you, where will it be?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 2, 2020 8:19:51 GMT
Have you forgotten? I'll recap. I pointed out that people die and the world moves on without them. You seem to have an issue with this idea. You can't/won't actually articulate what that issue is, so you're just doing what you do - talking nonsense, issuing vague insults, etc. And here we are.
And yet, you brought them up anyway! Off to bed now, to actually be asleep for real. Night. I understand what toasted cheese is getting at though. when you're asleep time goes by in a Flash it's like it never happened so when you die it really isn't like the world is going on without you because it's like you're asleep. basically a billion years will pass like a Flash and everyone will actually be gone as well. When you die the world dies tooI guess the biggest issue with most people, is the attachment to the physical as being the be all end all. Even when we learn of people we know who have died, we still hold onto them as though they are still real. wtf! They are dead and we will all be joining them soon enough. Heck, even our memories aren't real.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2020 12:51:42 GMT
I understand what toasted cheese is getting at though. when you're asleep time goes by in a Flash it's like it never happened so when you die it really isn't like the world is going on without you because it's like you're asleep. basically a billion years will pass like a Flash and everyone will actually be gone as well. When you die the world dies too But time doesn't go by in a flash when you're asleep. When you're asleep the word does indeed go on without you, just as before.
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