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Post by ZolotoyRetriever on Feb 6, 2020 4:02:10 GMT
I don't know if I have ever seen anything Margaret O'Brien has done. I'd like to see Death in Space. An obscure Douglas movie that is quite an interesting one for him is CAT AND MOUSE. Basically it is FALLING DOWN, the Kirk version.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 6, 2020 4:35:21 GMT
It's a tv movie I think.
Someone (on another forum) was saying Robert Wagner may now be the last patriarch of 1950s movie stars (as he was Prince Valiant he has a comic franchise to his name too).
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 6, 2020 4:42:55 GMT
Another obscure film is The Hook especially as it has Nick Adams as a sailor who feels obligated to wash Kirk Douglas' socks.
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Post by teleadm on Feb 6, 2020 8:16:03 GMT
Farewell Kirk Douglas!
Thanks for your postcard with an autographed photo, you once sent to this once young fan! As promised, I framed it, and I still have it.
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Post by cynthiagreen on Feb 6, 2020 11:07:49 GMT
I don't know if I have ever seen anything Margaret O'Brien has done. I'd like to see Death in Space. An obscure Douglas movie that is quite an interesting one for him is CAT AND MOUSE. Basically it is FALLING DOWN, the Kirk version. It had an R2 barebones release a few years back. Decent Print. Another version (MOUSEY) exists. Either version* is mediocre but tolerable if you like the stars - about 4/10 maybe - I collect on Seberg so it adorns my shelves.
* I think possibly one more graphic (cinema release of what was a TV movie) - MOUSEY was original US TV showing (9th March 74) - CAT AND MOUSE was UK cinema release. It was a was Kirk's first TV movie (and Seberg's only one) - it was a big deal back then for a star of Kirk's calibre to do TV (1976's Kirk starring THE MONEYCHANGERS was one of the first really big miniseries), although given decline of their cinema fortunes many front golden age stars moved into TV that decade, (either ongoing series (Rock Hudson) or one of TV movies/miniseries. (Liz, Brando)). Burt got in on the act the year after Kirk with MOSES.
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Post by cynthiagreen on Feb 6, 2020 12:29:27 GMT
He was always at his best playing cynical/selfish/dark characters. Ace in the Hole may be his finest hour, from what I've seen - a great performance. While there are a handful of fine actors and familiar faces from the Golden Age still with us, (Angela Lansbury, Margaret O'Brien etc) I guess Douglas's passing leaves Olivia de Havilland as the one true superstar of the era, or am I missing someone? R.I.P. Mr. Douglas. Living golden age superstars?
Taking the 200 names from Shipman's Great Movie Stars Volume 2 as my guide - (and I'm not checking if alive - just going from memory) .....I'm interpreting "Golden age" as up to 1970... I can suggest some names, but none that achieved stardom before Kirk, let alone Livvy....unless I'm wrong none of the names below made their star debut as early as 1947 .
These are stars who became such during period 1940- 1970 roughly - most of the survivors are not strictly Kirk's peers
I'd say Loren, Novak, Maclaine and Poitier - maybe Connery - are probably the nearest to Kirk/ Livvy era - and theyre all 15-20 plus years behind her in achieving stardom.
I count maybe 20 superstar level names tops from the Shipman - I list them all and their breakthrough years
Sean Connery - one of the biggest of the lot! debut in 54 although not a major star before 1962
Sophia Loren (has Bardot gone?) - made her debut 1950 I think but again - lots of bits/small parts - a star by mid 50s
Kim Novak 55
Shirley ( a star since 1955 ) & Warren (1961)
Robert Redford - around since early 60s but not superstar til that western (1969)
Poitier (is he still here?) Not far behind Kirk early 50s
Vanessa Redgrave 66
Julie Andrews 64
Faye Dunaway 67
Jane Fonda 60 (and a superstar from HORSES/KLUTE onwards)
Streisand 68
James Caan . Hmm..... was he a superstar??? Strong thoughts? 72?
Albert Finney 60
Alain Delon 60
Gene Hackman 71
Glenda Jackson 69
Raquel ( a superstar in terms of public recognition... if few actually went to see the films) 66
Joanne - not sure she a superstar...... 55
Still around but never superstars - Eva Marie Saint (almost a contemporary of Kirks) , George Segal (although for a while in the 70s he made the front rank of the A list), Claire Bloom (debut in 1948 and a "name" since 1952), Ellen Burstyn, Louise Fletcher, Elliott Gould , Ryan & Tatum ( I think Ryan was a superstar at the time but posterity has not been kind) , Max Schell, JL Trintignant, Tuesday Weld
of the notable omissions from Shipman's book from this era Donald Sutherland, Claudia Cardinale and Charlotte Rampling are still with us.
EDIT - just checked Shipman's vol 3 - this includes a few more names who were stars pre 1970 that are still alive -
Living Superstars? a few I'd nominate:
Michael Caine (debut 56, major stardom took nearly another decade) Ann-Margret Woody Allen Hoffman Liza (borderline - not in terms of being a superstar but qualifying before 1970) Goldie (ditto) Voight (ditto) Jack (ditto) Maggie Smith Mia Farrow
Sally Field wasn't really big til 1979
Bisset, Bujold, Candice Bergen, Terence Stamp, Katharine Ross, Alan Arkin, Barbara Hershey(just)... were all stars before 1970 but never superstars
Carroll Baker debut 53 and still with us (had her 4th book published last year!) Bless.
Tippi? If Dean can be a star from 3 movies then I think she can be one with only 2.... Obvs never a superstar 
EDIT 2 - and I forgot the star of my favourite movie!
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Post by vegalyra on Feb 6, 2020 15:01:51 GMT
Kim Novak is still around fortunately, she started her career around '54...
Definitely going to miss Mr. Douglas. Love most of his 1950's to 1960's films.
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Post by bravomailer on Feb 6, 2020 16:12:53 GMT
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Post by mattgarth on Feb 6, 2020 16:23:52 GMT
Cynthia -- thanks for your post about living stars and superstars.
One deletion and one possible addition, though:
Max Schell is no longer with us -- passed away in 2014.
Still with us, and on screen since the early 1950s -- non-super star Robert Wagner.
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Post by cynthiagreen on Feb 6, 2020 16:31:17 GMT
Cynthia -- thanks for your post about living stars and superstars. One deletion and one possible addition, though: Max Schell is no longer with us -- passed away in 2014. Still with us, and on screen since the early 1950s -- non-super star Robert Wagner. Yes - that was an audit I thoroughly enjoyed conducting - may develop it a bit in separate thread - list them chronologically in terms of achieving stardom - and/or a "fixing David Shipman" thread - adding/subtracting as needed his list of 500 stars and adding a volume and a half to cover the period 1990 - 2200 .......Hello Brad! Hi Julia!
Thanks for correction re Max - as said I was doing from memory! - and yes I'd noted Wagner mentioned earlier - but yes - not a superstar - forever twinned with Jeffrey Hunter or (later) supporting Paul Newman
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Post by mattgarth on Feb 6, 2020 16:38:09 GMT
Interesting (and bizarre) casting: Robert Wagner was a cinematic relative of Spencer Tracy on two occasions:
1) BROKEN LANCE (his son -- OK, acceptable but he more resembled mom Katy Jurado)
2) THE MOUNTAIN ... (wait for it) ... his BROTHER !!! (younger brother ... MUCH younger!)
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Post by teleadm on Feb 6, 2020 18:03:27 GMT
Cynthia -- thanks for your post about living stars and superstars. One deletion and one possible addition, though: Max Schell is no longer with us -- passed away in 2014. Still with us, and on screen since the early 1950s -- non-super star Robert Wagner. Yes - that was an audit I thoroughly enjoyed conducting - may develop it a bit in separate thread - list them chronologically in terms of achieving stardom - and/or a "fixing David Shipman" thread - adding/subtracting as needed his list of 500 stars and adding a volume and a half to cover the period 1990 - 2200 .......Hello Brad! Hi Julia!
Thanks for correction re Max - as said I was doing from memory! - and yes I'd noted Wagner mentioned earlier - but yes - not a superstar - forever twinned with Jeffrey Hunter or (later) supporting Paul Newman
Thanks for making the list! Sadly though, Albert Finney left us about a year ago, February 7th.
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Post by bravomailer on Feb 6, 2020 18:24:42 GMT
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Post by london777 on Feb 6, 2020 18:30:46 GMT
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Post by petrolino on Feb 6, 2020 18:33:14 GMT
Izzy Demsky
Ed Harris & Kirk Douglas
Kirk Douglas & John Travolta
Arnold Schwarzenegger & Kirk Douglas
Kirk Douglas & Harrison Ford
Annette Bening, Kirk Douglas, Danny DeVito, Christopher Lloyd & Michael Douglas
Kirk Douglas Rest in Peace
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🦞 on Feb 6, 2020 19:26:02 GMT
Wow, what a life! Rest well, Kirk.
All the Kirk Douglas movies I've managed to see so far...
Out of the Past
My Dear Secretary
20,000 Leagues Under the Sea
Paths of Glory
Spartacus
Two Weeks in Another Town
TheList of Adrian Messenger
For Love or Money
The War Wagon
The Chosen
The Fury
The Villain
Saturn 3
The Man From Snowy River
Eddie Macon's Run
Draw!
Tough Guys
Oscar
Greedy
Diamonds
It Runs In the Family
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Post by london777 on Feb 6, 2020 20:46:09 GMT
All the Kirk Douglas movies I've managed to see so far... Out of the Past
My Dear Secretary
20,000 Leagues Under the Sea
Paths of Glory
Spartacus
Two Weeks in Another Town
The List of Adrian Messenger
For Love or Money
The War Wagon
The Chosen
The Fury
The Villain
Saturn 3
The Man From Snowy River
Eddie Macon's Run
Draw!
Tough Guys
Oscar
Greedy
Diamonds
It Runs In the FamilyWell, you cannot see them all. And frankly you would not want to. (Looking at your list, you have already suffered enough). But of those unseen so far, I would recommend (in reverse chronological order): There Was a Crooked Man... (1970) dir: Joseph L. Mankiewicz (with Henry Fonda as a bent marshal) The Arrangement (1969) dir: Elia Kazan (Not great, but I have to include it in case spiderwort reads this post). Seven Days in May (1964) dir: John Frankenheimer STRONGLY RECOMMENDEDLonely Are the Brave (1962) dir: David Miller Town Without Pity (1961) dir: Gottfried Reinhardt Lust for Life (1956) dir: Vincente Minelli & George Cukor STRONGLY RECOMMENDEDMan Without a Star (1955) dir: King Vidor The Bad and the Beautiful (1952) dir: Vincente Minelli STRONGLY RECOMMENDEDDetective Story (1951) dir: William Wyler Ace in the Hole (1951) dir: Billy Wilder STRONGLY RECOMMENDEDChampion (1949) dir: Mark Robson I see I have recommended three westerns and a boxing picture. I must be mellowing in my old age. Adding these to the best of yours makes a CV which maybe no other actor can equal?
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Post by fangirl1975 on Feb 7, 2020 2:41:42 GMT
My favorite of his films is The Gunfight At The O.K Corral
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🦞 on Feb 7, 2020 17:53:38 GMT
london777 Thanks for the recommendations. I've been meaning to see The Bad and the Beautiful but I keep missing it. I should really have myself a Kirk Week soon to catch up.
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Post by cynthiagreen on Feb 8, 2020 16:59:56 GMT
london777 Thanks for the recommendations. I've been meaning to see The Bad and the Beautiful but I keep missing it. I should really have myself a Kirk Week soon to catch up. Oh treat yourself Lebowskidoo - it's a buff's wet dream - delicious script and plush production values - not only one of Kirk's best but a high point for Lana (Maybe her finest hour? give or take POSTMAN), Powell, Minnelli and an Oscar winning turn from Gloria (although I'm guessing voters were thinking of her in that year's SUDDEN FEAR and THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH as well when they chose her over Lina Lamont). You'll be humming the memorable David Raksin theme for days....
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