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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 19:00:03 GMT
Cheering for Parasite or Joker. I would be content with Marriage Story, but I'd be thrilled with Parasite or Joker. I could deal with Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. It feels destined to age into something that will have deserved it.
My prediction will be the very good but not the best of the group 1917. It's the safest choice once you eliminate Netflix and round up from comic book movie.
I haven't seen Parasite, not overly sold on Joker and Marriage Story just looks superficial to me. I agree with your take on OUATIH and I feel it had classic written all over it, the moment it hit the screen. It is a terrific homage and insight into its era and the Hollywood film industry at that time. Yes, history got rewritten, but that is also part of its charm. It ended bittersweet and that is just a perfect way to end a film. Pitt HAS to win supporting actor. He was in that role and played it with just the right balance of sardonic and cheeky wit and he was a sterling presence to boot.
If the Golden Globes are anything to go by, I think they've got it right so far. I see Brad Pitt taking best supporting and Phoenix taking best actor. OUATIH ix interesting to me because I don't think its direction stands out per se, but QT is a director writer and I think that film stands out as a total package. It's reserved by his usual standards too. Clean, almost finessed. I like it. I saw it twice in theaters so it was definitely a Cat movie.
It's been a good year. I feel the majority of the best films (that I know of) came later in the year so it was looking bleak, but then I saw Jojo Rabbit, Parasite and The Lighthouse all back to back within 3 weeks and it just got better from there.
Parasite's terrific though, it's the one I vouch for the hardest. It's in a peculiar spot because it's getting so much attention it's only inevitable someone's going to pop up and say it's not all that. I think its sphere right now is it's not overrated, it's not underrated, it's pretty much right where it should be. Don't believe the hype, believe yourself when you watch it.
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🦞 on Feb 8, 2020 19:02:14 GMT
Uncut Gems 
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Post by Archelaus on Feb 8, 2020 22:19:07 GMT
Parasite
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Post by Vits on Feb 8, 2020 22:39:22 GMT
I hope it's not Parasite. It's a great film and it would be a deserving winner, but if it did win, it would cement in the minds of regular movie goers all over the world the absolutely false notion that the Oscars are the WORLD film awards. I don't want that to happen. 🙄
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Post by millar70 on Feb 8, 2020 23:11:08 GMT
I voted for Joker, though I believe both Parasite and OUATIH would both be worthy winners.
A much better all-around field than we've seen in recent years, though I also believe Uncut Gems deserved a nomination.
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Post by Vits on Feb 8, 2020 23:35:57 GMT
I agree about your point about foreign language films being labelled Best Picture. They belong in International Feature category only. The Oscars are American and founded for English language films first and foremost. These token nods given to foreign language films for picture, are just virtue signalling snobby gestures. 🙄🙄
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Post by Vits on Feb 9, 2020 0:30:33 GMT
If it was considered best picture material, why would that not make it the best foreign film in the eyes of the Academy? Countries don't submit movies movies for that category every single year. Sweden didn't do it between '72 and '76. However, the members still got to see the movie because of its theatrical run in the U.S. The Oscars are not Cannes or Venice. Look, all of us here put up with your anti Netflix nominations comments because, while you're wrong, it's clear where you're coming from. Not this time. I mean, there are award shows out there that include the country in the name, but the Oscars aren't the American Film Awards. You can talk about formats and ways to release, but you don't get to say whether foreign movies should compete or not. Especially with such a condescending tone.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 0:54:20 GMT
Countries don't submit movies movies for that category every single year. Sweden didn't do it between '72 and '76. However, the members still got to see the movie because of its theatrical run in the U.S.Look, all of us here put up with your anti Netflix nominations comments because, while you're wrong, it's clear where you're coming from. Not this time. I mean, there are award shows out there that include the country in the name, but the Oscars aren't the American Film Awards. You can talk about formats and ways to release, but you don't get to say whether foreign movies should compete or not. Especially with such a condescending tone. Cries and Whispers was pretentious tripe and if it had been submitted for foreign, it would likely have not ended up on the best picture list. It was a generous nod only by the Academy, because it was Ingmar. That even sounds toffee nosed.
I get to say whatever I want, and if you feel condescended too, perhaps because you are wrong and triggered. What makes you so right? Why are you condescending to me now? What is the difference?
Movie awards are about recognition from those in the industry that make them. It doesn't mean their taste is etched in stone. Look at the crap they can make. History has proven how wrongheaded and stoneheaded they are in their decisions. Subjectivity rules the day and Netflix shouldn't be ruling at all....  I think I more/less understand where you're coming from but I don't completely agree either. My inclination is to believe if a film is that much weaker than a foreign language film but wins the award for which both are nominated, does it not seem like awarding the weaker film on the basis that it's in English? I mean being a weaker film doesn't mean being weak, I don't consider there being a weak one in the bunch. I personally rank Parasite at or near the top of the BP category and being non-English is just kind of incidental to me.
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Post by kevin on Feb 9, 2020 7:33:35 GMT
I think I more/less understand where you're coming from but I don't completely agree either. My inclination is to believe if a film is that much weaker than a foreign language film but wins the award for which both are nominated, does it not seem like awarding the weaker film on the basis that it's in English? I mean being a weaker film doesn't mean being weak, I don't consider there being a weak one in the bunch. I personally rank Parasite at or near the top of the BP category and being non-English is just kind of incidental to me. I do really need to see Parasite, but I just feel there were also a lot of English language films that missed out on nominations, due to limited slots. Parasite has been awarded a foreign nod and a director nod. Is it really best picture material though and will history speak as such if it does win. The Academy choices can be very dubious, but it is a popularity contest first and foremost. Sometimes I feel they get it right, but most often not.
I found myself agreeing with their picture choices in the 80's for half of the decade, but then what I would choose, would not be what someone else would choose. I also liked that they chose Silence Of The Lambs in 91', over something like Prince Of Tides, which I thought had best picture themes written all over it and wouldn't have minded if it had won. I also loved the un-nominated Fried Green Tomatoes.
I just get more cynical with these awards now as I am getting older, I can see more of the bulls<>t grandstanding and politics behind it all and it does make me question if they are worthwhile as a whole. It also makes film-makers want to make films with awards in mind and I don't think that is the best approach to tackle anything. It is born out of egoism.
Wait, so you haven't even seen Parasite and yet you're already talking down the movie and talking about token nods, just because it's not an English language movie? I encourage movie discussion, but questioning a movie's value when you haven't even seen it just doesn't radiate credibility that much, it almost feels like a Marvel vs. DC discussion where people dismiss the other group's movies beforehand. It's like someone in 2003 saying, I'm not sure if Return of the King is Best Picture material, they just want a token nod for the fantasy genre. And that person hasn't even seen ROTK. See how weird that sounds? And of course a lot of great English language movies miss out (Uncut Gems!), it's the Academy for crying out loud, it happens every year. That's why everyone has been critiquing them for decades. Why is that Parasite's fault? The Academy has been making questionable decisions since they formed. Many people are just sick of it at this point. If anything, Parasite would finally be a great decision by the Academy. Not because it's international, not because of any weird political battle that rages 24/7 in the US, not as a virtue token win or whatever people want to call it, but because it's actually a phenomenal movie. In a decade with many traditional and inconsequential wins like Green Book over Roma, The Favourite or almost anything else, Argo over almost anything else & The King's Speech over The Social Network, Parasite would be a gamechanger on the level of Return of the King's or The Godfather's win. It will finally be a sign that, no matter politics and popularity contests, the most acclaimed movie can and will win. The "Film-makers want to make films with awards in mind" (*cough* 1917 *cough*) would finally be shown wrong for once. It almost sounds like a fairytale, too good to be true (which it probably is), but I'll keep hoping. At least 1917 is also great, as is OUATIH, so it wouldn't be another Green Book debacle. I really enjoy movie discussion and I know it may be difficult to find a screening of an international movie, but please don't start downplaying movies you haven't seen yet. I've done it as well a few times in the past and in hindsight I was being really arrogant.
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Post by hi224 on Feb 9, 2020 8:02:36 GMT
1917.
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Post by Vits on Feb 9, 2020 10:01:44 GMT
neither should Uncut Gems, considering my stance on Netflix films at present vying for Oscars. I am all for endorsing English language films for an American award for the big gong, that is my stance and always has been. The Oscars is seen as the most important movie award to win and that is only due to hype, but it was an inception created for Hollywood produced films and since they have flooded the English language market and films that even many foreign places place great stead on, that is where the focus should be retained. UNCUT GEMS got a Netflix release overseas, but it got a theatrical release in the U.S. Not a short one just order in to qualify; a traditional one. I have no idea where you got all that information. Could you provide any evidence? Links or quotes? Also, I'm confused. Are you referring to Hollywood movies, American movies or English-language movies? You keep going back and forth on that.
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Post by Vits on Feb 9, 2020 10:49:48 GMT
Do you not know that the Oscars are American vits? It is common sense to know that the Academy is an American institution.
I am referring to films that are predominately made for the English language market.
As for Cries and Whispers, it missed the eligibility criteria due to late release in 72'. Films still get promoted somehow and it shouldn't have needed to have been submitted, if it was already on their radar and then considered best picture worthy by industry film snobs. 1) Again, they're not called the American Film Award. You mentioned film festivals in a previous post. Why is it OK for them to award movies of every country, even though they're held in the same country every year? 2) Why is that relevant? It's not called the "Most Popular Movie" Award. 3) So you don't like that movie and those who do like it are snobs? Ummm... OK? Those rules were made to give a boost to movies voters may not have the opportunity to watch. In this case, they did manage to watch CRIES AND WHISPERS as a general release.
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Post by miike80 on Feb 9, 2020 11:41:59 GMT
Irishman, but I would be OK with Once Upon a Time or Parasite
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