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Post by Power Ranger on Feb 9, 2020 13:49:22 GMT
He first refers to Chewie as a ‘thing’. Also he’s uneducated if he doesn’t know what a Wookie is. It’s not an obscure species.
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Post by johnspartan on Feb 9, 2020 13:53:02 GMT
How dare you insult Rose Tico...wait this topic is about Chewie?  |
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Feb 9, 2020 16:02:21 GMT
Well, the Empire was pretty much subscribed to human supremacism, and the First Order modelled itself after the Empire, and Finn was raised by the First Order.
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Post by Power Ranger on Feb 9, 2020 16:30:33 GMT
Well, the Empire was pretty much subscribed to human supremacism, and the First Order modelled itself after the Empire, and Finn was raised by the First Order. Yes, the Empire seemed to subscribe to human supremacism in the original trilogy, but George Lickass decided not to explore that in the prequels. |
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Post by raiderjedi on Feb 10, 2020 3:24:41 GMT
Leia called Chewie a walking carpet. A racial slur?
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Post by Power Ranger on Feb 10, 2020 5:13:36 GMT
Leia called Chewie a walking carpet. A racial slur? Definitely speciesist, and in an environment of intelligent beings of various species, it’s just as bad as racism. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Feb 10, 2020 9:43:18 GMT
Well, the Empire was pretty much subscribed to human supremacism, and the First Order modelled itself after the Empire, and Finn was raised by the First Order. pretty much not. There is not one line in any canon material to corroborate that? Truth is, the Empire and Rebellion were originally white sausage fests (we do not know what was under the trooper helmets though) until it got diversified later with the alien-looking Emperor or Thrawn in Rebels/EU. Also, they work with alien bounty hunters as freelancers. The prequels also show that this is nonsense: Palatinates closed allies in the senate (and his supposed squeeze) are aliens;his apprentice Maul is alien; his Confederate allies such as the Trade Federation or the Banking Clan are non-human aliens. Thus, Palpatine is hardly a human-supremacist, but a Sith-power supremacist. Would not make any lick of sense in a super-diversified Republic/Empire anyway.
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Post by shinnickneth on Feb 10, 2020 17:35:18 GMT
pretty much not. There is not one line in any canon material to corroborate that? Truth is, the Empire and Rebellion were originally white sausage fests (we do not know what was under the trooper helmets though) until it got diversified later with the alien-looking Emperor or Thrawn in Rebels/EU. Also, they work with alien bounty hunters as freelancers. The prequels also show that this is nonsense: Palatinates closed allies in the senate (and his supposed squeeze) are aliens;his apprentice Maul is alien; his Confederate allies such as the Trade Federation or the Banking Clan are non-human aliens. Thus, Palpatine is hardly a human-supremacist, but a Sith-power supremacist. Would not make any lick of sense in a super-diversified Republic/Empire anyway. Creped is actually right here. The Lucasfilm documentaries on Star Wars back when George Lucas owned the franchise state that he fashioned the Empire after the Nazi regime. The title of 'Stormtrooper' was even a type of special German soldier during World War 1. If you pull out your DVD's and watch the supplemental features, they can corroborate this. Also, here's a link on the real life Stormtroopers: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormtrooper
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Post by Jan El Señor on Feb 10, 2020 17:40:40 GMT
pretty much not. There is not one line in any canon material to corroborate that? Truth is, the Empire and Rebellion were originally white sausage fests (we do not know what was under the trooper helmets though) until it got diversified later with the alien-looking Emperor or Thrawn in Rebels/EU. Also, they work with alien bounty hunters as freelancers. The prequels also show that this is nonsense: Palatinates closed allies in the senate (and his supposed squeeze) are aliens;his apprentice Maul is alien; his Confederate allies such as the Trade Federation or the Banking Clan are non-human aliens. Thus, Palpatine is hardly a human-supremacist, but a Sith-power supremacist. Would not make any lick of sense in a super-diversified Republic/Empire anyway. Creped is actually right here. The Lucasfilm documentaries on Star Wars back when George Lucas owned the franchise state that he fashioned the Empire after the Nazi regime. The title of 'Stormtrooper' was even a type of special German soldier during World War 1. If you pull out your DVD's and watch the supplemental features, they can corroborate this. Also, here's a link on the real life Stormtroopers: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormtrooper The look and feel of the Empire was definitely based on the Nazis. I don't think anyone is disputing that. The ideology is another thing. The idea of the Empire being human-supremacist was purely an EU thing back in the day.
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Post by shinnickneth on Feb 10, 2020 17:56:13 GMT
The look and feel of the Empire was definitely based on the Nazis. I don't think anyone is disputing that. The ideology is another thing. The idea of the Empire being human-supremacist was purely an EU thing back in the day. Oh...haha I didn't catch that's what was being argued. Oops! Yeah, I don't think there's any information from either the movies or George Lucas that the Empire sought to set humans above other species. If anything, it was to place the Empire/the Emperor above everyone else. To do anything else would have been too limiting with the vast galaxy they intended to enslave. The other species would have outnumbered humans. The EU did encourage that idea. I know it was stated at one point that Thrawn was one of the few aliens given the privilege not only to be a part of the Empire, but to rise up in the ranks to Grand Admiral due to his intellect/cunning.
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Post by Power Ranger on Feb 10, 2020 18:05:54 GMT
The look and feel of the Empire was definitely based on the Nazis. I don't think anyone is disputing that. The ideology is another thing. The idea of the Empire being human-supremacist was purely an EU thing back in the day. Oh...haha I didn't catch that's what was being argued. Oops! Yeah, I don't think there's any information from either the movies or George Lucas that the Empire sought to set humans above other species. If anything, it was to place the Empire/the Emperor above everyone else. To do anything else would have been too limiting with the vast galaxy they intended to enslave. The other species would have outnumbered humans. The EU did encourage that idea. I know it was stated at one point that Thrawn was one of the few aliens given the privilege not only to be a part of the Empire, but to rise up in the ranks to Grand Admiral due to his intellect/cunning. The crews of the ships of the Empire seemed to entirely consist of humans in the original trilogy. It was not simply coincidence given the diversity of the universe. It was something which could have feasibly been addressed in the prequels but Lickass was preoccupied with other bullshit. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Feb 10, 2020 18:22:15 GMT
pretty much not. There is not one line in any canon material to corroborate that? Truth is, the Empire and Rebellion were originally white sausage fests (we do not know what was under the trooper helmets though) until it got diversified later with the alien-looking Emperor or Thrawn in Rebels/EU. Also, they work with alien bounty hunters as freelancers. The prequels also show that this is nonsense: Palatinates closed allies in the senate (and his supposed squeeze) are aliens;his apprentice Maul is alien; his Confederate allies such as the Trade Federation or the Banking Clan are non-human aliens. Thus, Palpatine is hardly a human-supremacist, but a Sith-power supremacist. Would not make any lick of sense in a super-diversified Republic/Empire anyway. Creped is actually right here. The Lucasfilm documentaries on Star Wars back when George Lucas owned the franchise state that he fashioned the Empire after the Nazi regime. The title of 'Stormtrooper' was even a type of special German soldier during World War 1. If you pull out your DVD's and watch the supplemental features, they can corroborate this. Also, here's a link on the real life Stormtroopers: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormtrooper yes, as stated by the other poster, the ascetics/looks of the Empire are unmistakably inspired by the Nazi regime and its propaganda culture (Leni Riefenstahl "Triumph of the Will" films etc). Stormtrooper is Sturmtruppen in German, still a regular military term for assault units. No contest here. However, the ideology of the Empire in the OT is not determined and thus open to projection: In the 80s some claimed the evil empire represents the communists and launched the Star Wars missile defense program. Now some people see a quasi Nazi alt right supremacy ideology. But there is no basis for any of that (apart from some legend books). It's like claiming that Jabba is meant to parody Trump, ex post interpretation rather than intent. The prequels showed that the Empire's core ideology is not so much racial, but religious: some weird sect called the Sith (never mentioned in the OT) wants to rule the galaxy again by invoking the dark side of the Force. They sure don't like democracy, but prefer dictatorship. But the Sith seem not to be racially motivated, Darth Plagueis was a Muun ; Maul and Grievous..whatever they were. If there was a human supremacy ideology within the Empire it is strange why it is never mentioned by anyone in the movies.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Feb 10, 2020 18:24:21 GMT
The look and feel of the Empire was definitely based on the Nazis. I don't think anyone is disputing that. The ideology is another thing. The idea of the Empire being human-supremacist was purely an EU thing back in the day. Oh...haha I didn't catch that's what was being argued. Oops! Yeah, I don't think there's any information from either the movies or George Lucas that the Empire sought to set humans above other species. If anything, it was to place the Empire/the Emperor above everyone else. To do anything else would have been too limiting with the vast galaxy they intended to enslave. The other species would have outnumbered humans. The EU did encourage that idea. I know it was stated at one point that Thrawn was one of the few aliens given the privilege not only to be a part of the Empire, but to rise up in the ranks to Grand Admiral due to his intellect/cunning. ... I saw that only after I sent my response. Lets agree to agree. 
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Post by shinnickneth on Feb 10, 2020 18:36:22 GMT
yes, as stated by the other poster, the ascetics/looks of the Empire are unmistakably inspired by the Nazi regime and its propaganda culture (Leni Riefenstahl "Triumph of the Will" films etc). Stormtrooper is Sturmtruppen in German, still a regular military term for assault units. No contest here. However, the ideology of the Empire in the OT is not determined and thus open to projection: In the 80s some claimed the evil empire represents the communists and launched the Star Wars missile defense program. Now some people see a quasi Nazi alt right supremacy ideology. But there is no basis for any of that (apart from some legend books). It's like claiming that Jabba is meant to parody Trump, ex post interpretation rather than intent. The prequels showed that the Empire's core ideology is not so much racial, but religious: some weird sect called the Sith (never mentioned in the OT) wants to rule the galaxy again by invoking the dark side of the Force. They sure don't like democracy, but prefer dictatorship. But the Sith seem not to be racially motivated, Darth Plagueis was a Muun ; Maul and Grievous..whatever they were. If there was a human supremacy ideology within the Empire it is strange why it is never mentioned by anyone in the movies. Yeah, there's no clear indication Palpatine or the Empire were human supremacists. Like you said, Palpatine took Maul on as an apprentice. He also made deals with non-human senators, the Trade Federation of Neimoidians, and the Geonosians. He didn't seem to have a problem allowing his Empire to hire non-human bounty hunters either. Some fans point to the enslavement of the Wookiees as them being against other races, but the Wookiees aided the Jedi during the PT, so it makes sense why they were enslaved.
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