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Post by kijii on Feb 10, 2020 4:52:00 GMT
This seems a bit controversial to me...
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Post by hi224 on Feb 10, 2020 4:58:28 GMT
because its A. Foreign and B. a regular film and foreign films are allowed to compete.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 10, 2020 6:05:14 GMT
Because the Oscars is desperate to be relevant and get attention so they come up with wackier and wackier PR stunts. It's kind of sad. Actually, at least the BAFTAs didn't get so cucky as to give it the award. Would have been too pathetic if E-n-g-l-a-n-d decided the English language didn't matter any more!
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Feb 10, 2020 6:14:31 GMT
Because it would look dumb if it won best picture but didn't even get nominated for foreign picture.
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Post by cynthiagreen on Feb 10, 2020 7:50:14 GMT
Because it was eligible in both categories. No controversy chez Cynthia. The only way to avoid this would be to introduce rule that it could only get nominated in 1 category and make a call at ballot counting stage which category that was - one it got most votes in/one it was highest placed in ranking/ maybe even give nominee the choice - and backfill from the number 6 choice in the category the double nominee film did not end up in. Either that or ban foreign language films from being eligible for best picture - which of course is ridiculous as well as being xenophobic.
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Post by hi224 on Feb 10, 2020 8:28:48 GMT
Because it was eligible in both categories. No controversy chez Cynthia. The only way to avoid this would be to introduce rule that it could only get nominated in 1 category and make a call at ballot counting stage which category that was - one it got most votes in/one it was highest placed in ranking/ maybe even give nominee the choice - and backfill from the number 6 choice in the category the double nominee film did not end up in. Either that or ban foreign language films from being eligible for best picture - which of course is ridiculous as well as being xenophobic.
lets not give anyone any ideas.
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Post by cynthiagreen on Feb 10, 2020 8:46:26 GMT
Because it was eligible in both categories. No controversy chez Cynthia. The only way to avoid this would be to introduce rule that it could only get nominated in 1 category and make a call at ballot counting stage which category that was - one it got most votes in/one it was highest placed in ranking/ maybe even give nominee the choice - and backfill from the number 6 choice in the category the double nominee film did not end up in. Either that or ban foreign language films from being eligible for best picture - which of course is ridiculous as well as being xenophobic.
lets not give anyone any ideas. A third option would be to ban the foreign language category altogether and just treat everything as a movie. We both know that in effect that would disadvantage foreign language stuff. But PARASITE's victories are encouraging for manstreaming "foreign" stuff. But given options we are probably better off for the moment being exactly where we are
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Post by mattgarth on Feb 10, 2020 10:56:01 GMT
There is precedent for the double nominations, though not winning both.
ROMA last year, and LIFE IS BEAUTIFUL in the late 1990s, both did win the Foreign Language award and were losing nominees in the Best Picture category.
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Post by Isapop on Feb 10, 2020 14:08:49 GMT
Because the Oscars is desperate to be relevant and get attention so they come up with wackier and wackier PR stunts. It's kind of sad. Actually, at least the BAFTAs didn't get so cucky as to give it the award. Would have been too pathetic if E-n-g-l-a-n-d decided the English language didn't matter any more! But how did you like the movie compared with some of the other nominees?
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Feb 10, 2020 14:32:29 GMT
What would we do if a non-English animated movie gets nominated for best picture, foreign and animated and it won all 3?
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Post by london777 on Feb 10, 2020 15:57:26 GMT
A third option would be to ban the foreign language category altogether and just treat everything as a movie. I like that idea. Yes, non-English language films would disadvantaged, but that seems fair enough as the Academy Awards are a US ceremony. Same as English-language movies would be disadvantaged in Korea, or France, etc. So long as all national award-giving adhered to the same rule. Incidentally, I think Parasite is the best Oscar Best Film winner since the 1970s and I am glad the jury showed some guts at last ( Green Book! Really?).
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Post by nostromo on Feb 10, 2020 16:00:08 GMT
Why is it controversial when it's been happening for decades? (nominations)
Is it just because one finally won?
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Post by cynthiagreen on Feb 10, 2020 16:50:35 GMT
A third option would be to ban the foreign language category altogether and just treat everything as a movie. I like that idea. Yes, non-English language films would disadvantaged, but that seems fair enough as the Academy Awards are a US ceremony. Same as English-language movies would be disadvantaged in Korea, or France, etc. So long as all national award-giving adhered to the same rule. Incidentally, I think Parasite is the best Oscar Best Film winner since the 1970s and I am glad the jury showed some guts at last ( Green Book! Really?). Good Point - and PARASITE and the success of THE ARTIST a while back are really encouraging that this might be the way to go soon. I'll take your rec - or more accurately rave - on PARASITE and bump it to the top of my list. Not seen GREEN BOOK but it didn't look like my kinda film.
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Post by kijii on Feb 10, 2020 17:39:54 GMT
Because it was eligible in both categories. No controversy chez Cynthia. The only way to avoid this would be to introduce rule that it could only get nominated in 1 category and make a call at ballot counting stage which category that was - one it got most votes in/one it was highest placed in ranking/ maybe even give nominee the choice - and backfill from the number 6 choice in the category the double nominee film did not end up in. Either that or ban foreign language films from being eligible for best picture - which of course is ridiculous as well as being xenophobic.
I have NO PROBLEM with a movie (or a performer) winning in DIFFERENT categories in the same year. (This happens all the time.) The problem here is that a movie is a movie and they seemed to have changed the rules, midstream, by allowing the best foreign language movie to be treated a as Best Picture. Is there a rule about giving a performer a choice about being considered a leading performer vs a supporting performer?
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Post by mattgarth on Feb 10, 2020 18:53:31 GMT
I believe performers can choose which category their performance should be considered for -- and they don't always make the right choice.
Talia Shire opted for LEAD ACTRESS for ROCKY -- but might have had a better shot as Supporting
Rosalind Russell refused to be considered a Supporting player for PICNIC, but didn't make the cut as Lead
Then again, Viola Davis was just as much of a lead performer as Denzel in FENCES -- yet took the prize for Supporting (a wise decision on her part)
Would Brando had won for GODFATHER if Pacino had also been in the Lead category -- which he richly deserved to be?
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Post by nostromo on Feb 10, 2020 19:01:44 GMT
Because it was eligible in both categories. No controversy chez Cynthia. The only way to avoid this would be to introduce rule that it could only get nominated in 1 category and make a call at ballot counting stage which category that was - one it got most votes in/one it was highest placed in ranking/ maybe even give nominee the choice - and backfill from the number 6 choice in the category the double nominee film did not end up in. Either that or ban foreign language films from being eligible for best picture - which of course is ridiculous as well as being xenophobic.
I have NO PROBLEM with a movie (or a performer) winning in DIFFERENT categories in the same year. (This happens all the time.) The problem here is that a movie is a movie and they seemed to have changed the rules, midstream, by allowing the best foreign language movie to be treated a as Best Picture. Is there a rule about giving a performer a choice about being considered a leading performer vs a supporting performer? When did they change the rule? Given that a French language film was nominated for best picture in 1939 ?
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Post by london777 on Feb 10, 2020 19:31:19 GMT
Incidentally, I think Parasite is the best Oscar Best Film winner since the 1970s and I am glad the jury showed some guts at last ( Green Book! Really?). Not seen GREEN BOOK but it didn't look like my kinda film. Perfectly well-made, well acted, well-meant and watchable movie, but too bland and play-it-safe to be outstanding in any way. Had it appeared in the 1950s, it would have really meant something.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 10, 2020 19:50:02 GMT
I just wonder whether they can really appraise the film properly if they aren't fluent in Korean. Can you really judge the film as best if you cannot understand the language and determine if a performance is good or not? How would you know what is a skilled emotional recitation of a dialogue line if you don't know the language intimately? You need subtitles for it. How could you even begin to appraise the best anything.
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Post by cynthiagreen on Feb 10, 2020 19:50:31 GMT
Because it was eligible in both categories. No controversy chez Cynthia. The only way to avoid this would be to introduce rule that it could only get nominated in 1 category and make a call at ballot counting stage which category that was - one it got most votes in/one it was highest placed in ranking/ maybe even give nominee the choice - and backfill from the number 6 choice in the category the double nominee film did not end up in. Either that or ban foreign language films from being eligible for best picture - which of course is ridiculous as well as being xenophobic.
I have NO PROBLEM with a movie (or a performer) winning in DIFFERENT categories in the same year. (This happens all the time.) The problem here is that a movie is a movie and they seemed to have changed the rules, midstream, by allowing the best foreign language movie to be treated a as Best Picture. Is there a rule about giving a performer a choice about being considered a leading performer vs a supporting performer? Barry Fitzgerald was nominated for both leading and supporting categories for the same role GOING MY WAY from 1945. The prize of a Vera Hruba Ralson Special Edition Box Set to the poster who can unpick that one.
I think producers have a say in the category, I think now they try to avoid having more than one name from same film in leading category in case they cancel each other out in the voting, as happened with FROM HERE TO ETERNITY
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Post by cynthiagreen on Feb 10, 2020 19:56:26 GMT
A third option would be to ban the foreign language category altogether and just treat everything as a movie. I like that idea. Yes, non-English language films would disadvantaged, but that seems fair enough as the Academy Awards are a US ceremony. Same as English-language movies would be disadvantaged in Korea, or France, etc. So long as all national award-giving adhered to the same rule. Incidentally, I think Parasite is the best Oscar Best Film winner since the 1970s and I am glad the jury showed some guts at last ( Green Book! Really?). Actually the more I think about it the more I agree we should go with option 3 - the fact that PARASITE took both categories does sort of mean the need for the latter may have ended.
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