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Post by Lebowskidoo 🎄😷🎄 on Feb 10, 2020 16:27:22 GMT
This guy just gets it. Jaws (1975) was just made at the perfect time. We now know so much more about sharks and are less worried about them swallowing us whole. The remake would only naturally change the characters to fit the times and would not work off/against each other nearly as well. CGI would show us too much shark and ruin the mystery.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 16:35:21 GMT
They should do one of those all-female versions.
Quint - A sassy black shark hunter played by Leslie Jones. "Ah HELL no, shark! You ain't goin' under with no three barrels on your ass!"
Hooper - Margot Robbie as the sexy lady shark scientist!
Brody - Mila Kunis!
And Benedict Cummerbund as Bruce the shark. But in a huge third act reveal, we discover that his name is really.... KHAN!
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Feb 10, 2020 19:57:25 GMT
This guy just gets it. Jaws (1975) was just made at the perfect time. We now know so much more about sharks and are less worried about them swallowing us whole. The remake would only naturally change the characters to fit the times and would not work off/against each other nearly as well. CGI would show us too much shark and ruin the mystery.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 10, 2020 20:08:24 GMT
Theoretically, and only speaking theoretically, an exciting remake of JAWS could be done if the filmmakers were skilled enough.
It is just that there are too many ifs and buts.
It could not be made the same way, and would be dumb to do that, but the book is very different about the shark--the movie dumped the ecology messages.
I think the book ending could work in a movie if the shark looked realistic enough.
The shark advances on Brody and then he closes his eyes and when he opens it the shark is right opposite him and frozen, and then sinks with Quint attached to a rope.
It could work.
In theory.
It would have to be slower paced.
And the shark would have to be National Geographic realistic.
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Post by Marv on Feb 10, 2020 20:39:44 GMT
I think Jaws is one of those lightning in a bottle kind of movies. The kind where all the mistakes are actually blessings in disguise. Spielberg and company got pretty lucky with their end results there. Its a great movie but i cant help but think it'd have been worse had everything gone according to plan in regards to the shark.
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Post by politicidal on Feb 11, 2020 4:50:08 GMT
I think a Jaws sequel with the same tone as The Shallows could be sort of interesting.
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Feb 11, 2020 5:48:15 GMT
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 11, 2020 11:12:30 GMT
Watch that clip later. Yes, it only succeeded because of the context of the era it was made in and because of those that made it. It is a wonderful product of its time and nothing like it had been seen or done before. It was ORIGINAL and that is something that gets lost on today’s film makers.
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Post by novastar6 on Feb 15, 2020 0:19:30 GMT
Jaws works because it was REAL, somebody said it was like watching a documentary, so true, it felt like we were watching it live, real people, who looked like real people, doing real people random little things, my favorite still the kid trying to get Brody's attention while he's on the phone:
Brody: *turns to his kid* "WHAT?" *back in the phone without missing a beat* "He's the little guy with the glasses!"
And his kid singing Muffin Man on the beach playing in the sand, those are the little moments that make it perfect that you'll never get today.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 20, 2020 3:11:50 GMT
Jaws works because it was REAL, somebody said it was like watching a documentary, so true, it felt like we were watching it live, real people, who looked like real people, doing real people random little things, my favorite still the kid trying to get Brody's attention while he's on the phone: Brody: *turns to his kid* "WHAT?" *back in the phone without missing a beat* "He's the little guy with the glasses!" And his kid singing Muffin Man on the beach playing in the sand, those are the little moments that make it perfect that you'll never get today. Spielberg made it all so natural and relatable, and also giving us a presentation to wow and scare us, without resorting to over-done and ott cinematic tricks and embellishments. Well, it was embellished, but still organic and real enough to connect with on a visceral level. There is nothing quite like Jaws and there never will be.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 20, 2020 3:17:33 GMT
Spielberg made it all so natural and relatable, and also giving us a presentation to wow and scare us, without resorting to over-done and ott cinematic tricks and embellishments. Well, it was embellished, like the scuba tank exploding.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 20, 2020 3:21:10 GMT
Spielberg made it all so natural and relatable, and also giving us a presentation to wow and scare us, without resorting to over-done and ott cinematic tricks and embellishments. Well, it was embellished, like the scuba tank exploding. Well, we had to have an explosive ending and seeing that shark blown to smitheerens was awesome for its time. I can't recall in the novel, how was the shark defeated?
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 20, 2020 3:42:11 GMT
Well, we had to have an explosive ending and seeing that shark blown to smitheerens was awesome for its time. I can't recall in the novel, how was the shark defeated? The shark heads for Brody and he does nothing but close his eyes-then he opens them and the shark's mouth is wrapped around him--the shark sinks from exhaustion. I had thought the shark was stabbed by something poisonous Hooper had given him but apparently not.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 20, 2020 3:48:41 GMT
Well, we had to have an explosive ending and seeing that shark blown to smitheerens was awesome for its time. I can't recall in the novel, how was the shark defeated? The shark heads for Brody and he does nothing but close his eyes-then he opens them and the shark's mouth is wrapped around him--the shark sinks from exhaustion. I had thought the shark was stabbed by something poisonous Hooper had given him but apparently not. Movie ending was better and Hooper lived too. He was more likeable. It would have been too distressing killing of a cute and charismatic Dreyfuss anyway.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 20, 2020 4:11:24 GMT
Movie ending was better and Hooper lived too. He was more likeable. It would have been too distressing killing of a cute and charismatic Dreyfuss anyway. I am not sure about that. Someone on here critiqued Hooper surviving and it got me to thinking.
I think Hooper showing up at the end --the bubbles makes one think it might be the shark or something but it could have just as easily been a barrel and Brody would have used it to swim home anyway. Plus likable characters dying in movies happens all the time so having him die does not alter the ending that much. It would have shown how powerful the shark was-getting through the cage.
Not to mention, despite the fact that Quint is supposed to be a psycho, Robert Shaw makes him charismatic and appealing so even there his death is not seen as a "oh good the psycho is dead" situation either.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 20, 2020 4:17:55 GMT
Movie ending was better and Hooper lived too. He was more likeable. It would have been too distressing killing of a cute and charismatic Dreyfuss anyway. I am not sure about that. Someone on here critiqued Hooper surviving and it got me to thinking.
I think Hooper showing up at the end --the bubbles makes one think it might be the shark or something but it could have just as easily been a barrel and Brody would have used it to swim home anyway. Plus likable characters dying in movies happens all the time so having him die does not alter the ending that much. It would have shown how powerful the shark was-getting through the cage.
Not to mention, despite the fact that Quint is supposed to be a psycho, Robert Shaw makes him charismatic and appealing so even there his death is not seen as a "oh good the psycho is dead" situation either. Well, because of the gory manner of death that Quint suffered in the film, and yes, he was still likeable, I'd say his death was enough. It also provided relief for the audience that Hooper did live and a surprise for those who were familiar with the novel, who would have thought he was going to die anyway. Movies are not books, sometimes they can improve on an aspect, sometimes ruin it. Imagine if Cujo movie took the same cue from King's book. It would have been too disturbing and distressing, especially since all the trauma that was depicted beforehand. I think it would have made the film too unpopular. King didn't need to kill off Tad anyway. He made a mistake here. King also apparently liked De Palma's Carrie ending. In the novel, Carrie leaves the prom as well due to the humiliation and forgetting "the power" she held. She went back. It worked well within the movie scenario from the stage just after the fact.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 20, 2020 4:26:32 GMT
Well, because of the gory manner of death that Quint suffered in the film, and yes, he was still likeable, I'd say his death was enough. It also provided relief for the audience that Hooper did live and a surprise for those who were familiar with the novel, who would have thought he was going to die anyway. The question is whether Hooper's living adds anything. I don't think it does. It adds a shared laugh, and him asking about Quint and his response to Brody saying he used to be afraid of the water. Would it ending with only Brody and the sounds of the sea and birds have made it less? It gives Hooper more to do but does nothing to further Brody's character. Especially when we saw how Hooper and Quint were both the experienced sailors, but in the end it is Brody who is the least afraid. I saw the story as being about him mainly, not a buddy picture.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 20, 2020 4:41:06 GMT
Well, because of the gory manner of death that Quint suffered in the film, and yes, he was still likeable, I'd say his death was enough. It also provided relief for the audience that Hooper did live and a surprise for those who were familiar with the novel, who would have thought he was going to die anyway. The question is whether Hooper's living adds anything. I don't think it does. It adds a shared laugh, and him asking about Quint and his response to Brody saying he used to be afraid of the water. Would it ending with only Brody and the sounds of the sea and birds have made it less? It gives Hooper more to do but does nothing to further Brody's character. Especially when we saw how Hooper and Quint were both the experienced sailors, but in the end it is Brody who is the least afraid. I saw the story as being about him mainly, not a buddy picture.
Is it essential or relevant to the story that Hooper die? Was it essential he die in the novel? Brody saved the day and would have been relived himself to see Hooper surface. I liked that he lived. If he died, then perhaps the film may not have had the same impact on audiences. It gave the audience a feel good ending, if a little bittersweet due to all the mayhem that had gone before. I feel it was a wise choice.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 20, 2020 4:53:16 GMT
Is it essential or relevant to the story that Hooper die? Was it essential he die in the novel? Brody saved the day and would have been relived himself to see Hooper surface. I liked that he lived. If he died, then perhaps the film may not have had the same impact on audiences. It gave the audience a feel good ending, if a little bittersweet due to all the mayhem that had gone before. I feel it was a wise choice. He was different in the novel-he was having an affair with Brody's wife. lol anyway Brody already had a sidekick. Hendricks.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 20, 2020 6:06:17 GMT
Is it essential or relevant to the story that Hooper die? Was it essential he die in the novel? Brody saved the day and would have been relived himself to see Hooper surface. I liked that he lived. If he died, then perhaps the film may not have had the same impact on audiences. It gave the audience a feel good ending, if a little bittersweet due to all the mayhem that had gone before. I feel it was a wise choice. He was different in the novel-he was having an affair with Brody's wife. lol anyway Brody already had a sidekick. Hendricks.
Yes, like some sort of penance. But Ellen had the affair too, so it seems pointless to make assumptions at any thought process Benchley had in his book.
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