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Post by Lebowskidoo 🦞 on Feb 10, 2020 16:27:22 GMT
This guy just gets it. Jaws (1975) was just made at the perfect time. We now know so much more about sharks and are less worried about them swallowing us whole. The remake would only naturally change the characters to fit the times and would not work off/against each other nearly as well. CGI would show us too much shark and ruin the mystery.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 16:35:21 GMT
They should do one of those all-female versions.
Quint - A sassy black shark hunter played by Leslie Jones. "Ah HELL no, shark! You ain't goin' under with no three barrels on your ass!" Hooper - Margot Robbie as the sexy lady shark scientist! Brody - Mila Kunis!
And Benedict Cummerbund as Bruce the shark. But in a huge third act reveal, we discover that his name is really.... KHAN!
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Feb 10, 2020 19:57:25 GMT
This guy just gets it. Jaws (1975) was just made at the perfect time. We now know so much more about sharks and are less worried about them swallowing us whole. The remake would only naturally change the characters to fit the times and would not work off/against each other nearly as well. CGI would show us too much shark and ruin the mystery.
EXCELLENT, I AGREE 100%+ with what he said. ALSO, Deep Blue Sea (1999) IS the SECOND-BEST shark film AFTER Jaws (1975). The Shallows (2016) IS THIRD-BEST. He FORGOT to mention that there have been OTHER megalodon films BEFORE The Meg (2018). One of them has the GREATEST and BEST pickup line in CINEMATIC HISTORY...
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 10, 2020 20:08:24 GMT
Theoretically, and only speaking theoretically, an exciting remake of JAWS could be done if the filmmakers were skilled enough. It is just that there are too many ifs and buts. It could not be made the same way, and would be dumb to do that, but the book is very different about the shark--the movie dumped the ecology messages. I think the book ending could work in a movie if the shark looked realistic enough. The shark advances on Brody and then he closes his eyes and when he opens it the shark is right opposite him and frozen, and then sinks with Quint attached to a rope. It could work. In theory. It would have to be slower paced. And the shark would have to be National Geographic realistic.
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Post by Marv on Feb 10, 2020 20:39:44 GMT
I think Jaws is one of those lightning in a bottle kind of movies. The kind where all the mistakes are actually blessings in disguise. Spielberg and company got pretty lucky with their end results there. Its a great movie but i cant help but think it'd have been worse had everything gone according to plan in regards to the shark.
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Post by politicidal on Feb 11, 2020 4:50:08 GMT
I think a Jaws sequel with the same tone as The Shallows could be sort of interesting.
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Feb 11, 2020 5:48:15 GMT
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Post by novastar6 on Feb 15, 2020 0:19:30 GMT
Jaws works because it was REAL, somebody said it was like watching a documentary, so true, it felt like we were watching it live, real people, who looked like real people, doing real people random little things, my favorite still the kid trying to get Brody's attention while he's on the phone:
Brody: *turns to his kid* "WHAT?" *back in the phone without missing a beat* "He's the little guy with the glasses!"
And his kid singing Muffin Man on the beach playing in the sand, those are the little moments that make it perfect that you'll never get today.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 20, 2020 3:17:33 GMT
Spielberg made it all so natural and relatable, and also giving us a presentation to wow and scare us, without resorting to over-done and ott cinematic tricks and embellishments. Well, it was embellished, like the scuba tank exploding.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 20, 2020 3:42:11 GMT
Well, we had to have an explosive ending and seeing that shark blown to smitheerens was awesome for its time. I can't recall in the novel, how was the shark defeated? The shark heads for Brody and he does nothing but close his eyes-then he opens them and the shark's mouth is wrapped around him--the shark sinks from exhaustion. I had thought the shark was stabbed by something poisonous Hooper had given him but apparently not.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 20, 2020 4:11:24 GMT
Movie ending was better and Hooper lived too. He was more likeable. It would have been too distressing killing of a cute and charismatic Dreyfuss anyway. I am not sure about that. Someone on here critiqued Hooper surviving and it got me to thinking.
I think Hooper showing up at the end --the bubbles makes one think it might be the shark or something but it could have just as easily been a barrel and Brody would have used it to swim home anyway. Plus likable characters dying in movies happens all the time so having him die does not alter the ending that much. It would have shown how powerful the shark was-getting through the cage.
Not to mention, despite the fact that Quint is supposed to be a psycho, Robert Shaw makes him charismatic and appealing so even there his death is not seen as a "oh good the psycho is dead" situation either.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 20, 2020 4:26:32 GMT
Well, because of the gory manner of death that Quint suffered in the film, and yes, he was still likeable, I'd say his death was enough. It also provided relief for the audience that Hooper did live and a surprise for those who were familiar with the novel, who would have thought he was going to die anyway. The question is whether Hooper's living adds anything. I don't think it does. It adds a shared laugh, and him asking about Quint and his response to Brody saying he used to be afraid of the water. Would it ending with only Brody and the sounds of the sea and birds have made it less? It gives Hooper more to do but does nothing to further Brody's character. Especially when we saw how Hooper and Quint were both the experienced sailors, but in the end it is Brody who is the least afraid. I saw the story as being about him mainly, not a buddy picture.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 20, 2020 4:53:16 GMT
Is it essential or relevant to the story that Hooper die? Was it essential he die in the novel? Brody saved the day and would have been relived himself to see Hooper surface. I liked that he lived. If he died, then perhaps the film may not have had the same impact on audiences. It gave the audience a feel good ending, if a little bittersweet due to all the mayhem that had gone before. I feel it was a wise choice. He was different in the novel-he was having an affair with Brody's wife. lol anyway Brody already had a sidekick. Hendricks.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 20, 2020 6:18:55 GMT
Yes, like some sort of penance. But Ellen had the affair too, so it seems pointless to make assumptions at any thought process Benchley had in his book. Hooper dies in the book though. And Quint too. There's some pretty awful writing in the novel. A mafia sub-plot. It's trashy though not as bad as the Godfather.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 20, 2020 6:45:59 GMT
So if Hooper dies in the book for penance for having an affair with Ellen Brody, what was Ellen's penance? By the time he dies the affair was over from what i remember-and Brody knew about it.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 20, 2020 7:08:45 GMT
I love the drama. With Hooper being dead in the book, I wonder how he would approached Ellen about the affair she had with him.
She knew Hooper through his brother--he was the younger brother. Somehow they had an affair (no details spared the reader). Brody was the working class guy while she came from a wealthy Amity family and had slummed herself by marrying Brody. She was having second thoughts about her life. Hooper reminded her of it and I think he said he always liked her and next thing you know--they had a trist but I am pretty sure they mutually agreed to cut it off. I cant recall Brody and her being too hostile by the end of it. He knew-either he guessed or she told him or Hooper said something. Brody wanted to kill him. I am trying to remember if there was an indication Brody would have marriage troubles after the shark thing was over but I don't think so. Interestingly, the Jaws 2 book is a weird amalgamation of the movie and the first book-so Hooper is mentioned but not whether he is alive. The second book is better written but it also has a long digression about a mobster.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 20, 2020 8:36:45 GMT
I find Scheider, as great an actor as he is, quite asexual, but he seemed perfectly paired with Lorraine Gary as a believable married couple Yes they were. Rare example where the wife of a studio head actually made for a good casting choice. The dinner table scene is quite good and very unlike post-Jaws Spielberg movies for basic characterization without any kind of visual tricks or even Williams music!
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Feb 20, 2020 21:19:06 GMT
Yes, like some sort of penance. But Ellen had the affair too, so it seems pointless to make assumptions at any thought process Benchley had in his book. Hooper dies in the book though. And Quint too. There's some pretty awful writing in the novel. A mafia sub-plot. It's trashy though not as bad as the Godfather.
The WORST part was the Mafia killing one of Brody's son's KITTY!!
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 20, 2020 21:27:28 GMT
The WORST part was the Mafia killing one of Brody's son's KITTY!! Yeah I was going to mention that.
He had three sons too. I don't know what happened to Martin Jr between Jaws and Jaws 2.
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Feb 20, 2020 22:02:13 GMT
The WORST part was the Mafia killing one of Brody's son's KITTY!! Yeah I was going to mention that.
He had three sons too. I don't know what happened to Martin Jr between Jaws and Jaws 2.
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