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Post by WarrenPeace on Feb 10, 2020 17:44:06 GMT
I thought they already had a separate category for that?
So WTF is a movie with subtitles doing going up against American made movies that don't need them? I guess they had to seem woke since there were, again, not enough movies with blacks in them. So they put up this one and it "won" just to make it seem diverse.
If this doesn't prove to everyone once and for all that the Oscars is nothing but a bullshit sham of an awards show, I dunno what will.
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Post by bd74 on Feb 10, 2020 17:49:58 GMT
2019 was a weak year for film anyway. Just look at the Best Picture lineup. Other foreign-language films in the past were worthy enough to win Best Picture: Roma, Amour, the un-nominated Downfall, and others.
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Post by sjg on Feb 10, 2020 17:55:08 GMT
Yes, the best picture category should be for all films. Having a foreign category as well means a foreign film can win something if one doesn't win the big prize. It's just that this year the foreign film was better than it's non-foreign competition.
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Post by northern on Feb 10, 2020 17:56:04 GMT
NO.
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Post by Jason143 on Feb 10, 2020 18:01:34 GMT
I feel you're alienating a lot of the general fans of the Oscars if you start including more and more foreign films. People like to root for a popular film that many have seen like Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and Joker or root for one with their favorite movie star in it and theyll tune in to see it maybe win. The more non-Hollywood films you start adding with unknown actors I think the layperson will lose interest.
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Post by kevin on Feb 10, 2020 18:01:44 GMT
Yes, I think it should be able to. It's the same as with animated feature, which I also think should be able to get nominated for or win Best Picture in theory. The Oscars might be American, but they're not like the AFI Awards that only allow American movies or even the Globes which only allow 50%+ English language spoken movies. There are no rules whatsoever in the Academy's rulebook saying that foreign movies shouldn't be able to win Best Picture. And I'll never understand the USA's weird negative stance on subtitles. I and billions of other people have watched subtitles all their lives and consider them normal, I have no idea why the US is so uptight about it. Also, f.e. 1917 is also a foreign movie, people just don't seem to care about that because it's still English. I don't know why a movie from another country is okay, but suddenly a different language is not okay.
And please can we stop with the cringey 'woke' complaints? If they wanted to be 'woke' Little Women would've won Best Screenplay, Harriet would've won Original Song and anything but Green Book would've won Best Picture last year. Of course it's a campaign and some people have probably voted without seeing all the movies, that's the case with all Oscar seasons (and considering it's still mainly an older generation voting that should work against Parasite), but the main reason why Parasite won is that it has received universal acclaim and has done something no foreign language movie has probably ever done before to this extent: uniting people from all over the world. A lot of people in Europa (including me) wanted this to win. What would be our gain if we didn't think it's a good movie? I don't have a special love for South Korea in particular, I was just completely amazed by Parasite in a way I haven't been by a movie in a long time. At it seems like the same was the case for a significant part of the Academy. The 'woke' argument just feels like a cheap politically fueled excuse for people who just don't want a foreign language movie to win and based on some conversations I've had, many of them haven't even seen the movie (not accusing the OP of this, I just wanted to mention what I noticed in general). One guy even started talking about how Joker tackles social commentary in an incredible way and Parasite is forgettable, because it's foreign, even though he doesn't even know what it's about and hasn't seen it. *spoiler* Parasite is also about social commentary *spoiler
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Feb 10, 2020 18:02:22 GMT
Why not?
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Feb 10, 2020 18:05:15 GMT
Yes, the best picture category should be for all films. Having a foreign category as well means a foreign film can win something if one doesn't win the big prize. It's just that this year the foreign film was better than it's non-foreign competition. It’s not foreign movie, it’s foreign language. Routinely, non-US made English language films are included in the Oscars best picture noms.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 18:05:18 GMT
I was pleased. I thought Parasite deserved to win because it was the most well done, and it just didn't seem right to me that it could be in the BP category and not take it.
1917 is a foreign movie too, I think, but it doesn't get the foreign movie treatment because it's British English. I could be wrong, but I'm all but certain 1917 was an England project from top to bottom, but its inclusion and victory doesn't raise the same eyebrows at the Golden Globes (I suspect the same is true of King's Speech, English language, but foreign film).
I think they got it right.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Feb 10, 2020 18:33:43 GMT
I don't think I've ever been so annoyed with this forum, and that's saying something. Give me 38 consecutive threads about Neve Campbell from Anthony over this bullshit.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Feb 10, 2020 18:38:49 GMT
Yes. Next.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Feb 10, 2020 18:43:30 GMT
I thought they already had a separate category for that? So WTF is a movie with subtitles doing going up against American made movies that don't need them? I guess they had to seem woke since there were, again, not enough movies with blacks in them. So they put up this one and it "won" just to make it seem diverse. If this doesn't prove to everyone once and for all that the Oscars is nothing but a bullshit sham of an awards show, I dunno what will. I hate to be NOT on the side of progress, but I agree. That's what the international film category is for. If an international film can win in the regular category then you don't need the international category. Just have a best picture category that really covers the gamut of all movies across the world that given year. Like a lot of festivals do. If that were the case Hollywood movies would barely ever win, except for the fact that they can command much bigger budgets.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Feb 10, 2020 18:45:02 GMT
Sure, why not. it's "Best Picture", not "Best American Picture"
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Post by Vits on Feb 10, 2020 19:16:08 GMT
Here's how I would do it if I was in charge: Every year, we do the voting process as usual. If an international film ends up received enough votes to be nominated for Best Picture, then the Best International Film category isn't presented. Next year, we come back and do the same thing. If no international film receives enough votes for B.P., then B.I.F. is presented.
You might tell me that it's not fair to the 4 international films that would've been nominated. Well, what's the point if they already know they're going to lose?
For the record, I'd apply all of this to animated and documentary features too.
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Post by sjg on Feb 10, 2020 19:21:39 GMT
Yes, the best picture category should be for all films. Having a foreign category as well means a foreign film can win something if one doesn't win the big prize. It's just that this year the foreign film was better than it's non-foreign competition. It’s not foreign movie, it’s foreign language. Routinely, non-US made English language films are included in the Oscars best picture noms. Sorry, that's what i meant.
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Post by HumanFundRecipient on Feb 10, 2020 19:26:54 GMT
The British Film Academy (BAFTA) has a best British film category. The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences does not have a best American Picture category. If it did, Social Network, Black Swan, or Inception- any of those three movies would have been up for that award in 2010.
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Post by onethreetwo on Feb 10, 2020 19:45:04 GMT
Why is this even a question? The only people complaining about this are the people that hate the Oscars anyway. I'm over it. This is why we can't have nice things.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 10, 2020 19:53:38 GMT
Only if the academy members know the language of the winning film fluently.
"You speak treason!"
"Fluently."
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Feb 10, 2020 20:03:36 GMT
Cidade de Deus should have won in 2004.
Yeah, the ringnuts will have a conniption. CDD was much better that Return of the King
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Feb 10, 2020 20:11:01 GMT
I thought they already had a separate category for that? So WTF is a movie with subtitles doing going up against American made movies that don't need them? I guess they had to seem woke since there were, again, not enough movies with blacks in them. So they put up this one and it "won" just to make it seem diverse. If this doesn't prove to everyone once and for all that the Oscars is nothing but a bullshit sham of an awards show, I dunno what will. My computer TOLD me that THIS was one of the LOWEST rated and LEAST viewed Oscars in YEARS...
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