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Post by CrepedCrusader on Feb 12, 2020 14:12:36 GMT
Only if they don't also submit for Best Foreign (or whatever they call it in any particular year). And I say this as someone who realized yesterday, after going through all the BP winners of the decade, that Parasite was my favorite among them. It's nothing against Parasite, but I think it's unfair for studios to submit to BP, and then to hedge their bets by also submitting for Best Foreign or Animated Film. It's double dipping, and I don't like it.
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Post by WarrenPeace on Feb 12, 2020 14:25:07 GMT
Nope! If they want it to be an international award show, then disperse of the foreign\international category. That is what it exists for. Ultimately, Oscars need to be honoring films that are made in America and other ENGLISH language films. Are they saying they aren't making enough quality films domestically, that they have to sidestep over this to throw a bone to foreign language cinema too? Way to undermine themselves and how diverse of the "woke" Academy!  Next year, all nominees will be female and black, even in the male acting categories. I'd have no real problem with that, but they would need to change the title of the award from "best picture" to "best picture in the English language" Then they'd obviously get vilified for not allowing "foreigners" to be included in their top prize. So, no, it ain't going to happen. It's a global film awards ceremony. Then where are all the films from Bollywood?
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Post by nostromo on Feb 12, 2020 14:53:12 GMT
I'd have no real problem with that, but they would need to change the title of the award from "best picture" to "best picture in the English language" Then they'd obviously get vilified for not allowing "foreigners" to be included in their top prize. So, no, it ain't going to happen. It's a global film awards ceremony. Then where are all the films from Bollywood? Exactly. They should be in there too.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 15:00:26 GMT
To the English speaking culture they are. I'm English speaking. So no, you're incorrect. You are biased against American films in English, when these films are the ones that prop up the industry. Like crooked politicians, the Academy has been disloyal. Are you too?
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Post by nostromo on Feb 12, 2020 15:05:42 GMT
I'm English speaking. So no, you're incorrect. You are biased against American films in English, when these films are the ones that prop up the industry. Like crooked politicians, the Academy has been disloyal. Are you too? So many questions. I'll start with these: 1) How am I biased? My No.1 film of the year was an American movie. 2) Who am I being disloyal to?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 15:08:29 GMT
I guess they wanted to prove how diverse they were to all the film snobs at that time, due to complaints from others similar to yourself, because of how seriously they took French cinema.  But let’s be real, I would say it would have been a funding thing as well. By the way, if I do seek out a foreign film to watch, a French one would not be at the top not my list. It is all era contextual and political agendas do rule. Evidence of this is in the topical choices they make at the time. Why would a French film not be the top of your list? Why would you not base a film to watch on how good it looks not where it is made? I'm so fascinated by this mindset. It' so alien to me. It's bonkers. So because something looks good to you, it is supposed to look good to others? What self-serving, entitled vacuum are you living in? What French films are you talking about that look good? To whom do they look good? How does one gauge good? I certainly won’t be relying on your taste for what is “good”, and I would say the majority of film-goers won’t either.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 15:11:20 GMT
I'd have no real problem with that, but they would need to change the title of the award from "best picture" to "best picture in the English language" Then they'd obviously get vilified for not allowing "foreigners" to be included in their top prize. So, no, it ain't going to happen. It's a global film awards ceremony. Then where are all the films from Bollywood? They probably won’t be good enough for our resident film snob. Too mainstream. Well, they have nominated a Bollywood film before for foreign.
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Post by nostromo on Feb 12, 2020 15:13:10 GMT
Why would a French film not be the top of your list? Why would you not base a film to watch on how good it looks not where it is made? I'm so fascinated by this mindset. It' so alien to me. It's bonkers. So because something looks good to you, it is supposed to look good to others? What self-serving, entitled vacuum are you living in? What French films are you talking about that look good? To whom do they look good? How does one gauge good? I certainly won’t be relying on your taste for what is “good”, and I would say the majority of film-goers won’t either. No, you've failed to grasp the point again I'm intrigued to know why you would never put a French film atop of your watchlist. Do you have a hierarchical ranking of countries that you do this to? What about Icelandic films or Colombia films? Would films from those countries ever feature high up your watchlist? If not, why not? Are they more or less likely to feature above French films on your watchlist? Why? Are all French films not on your watchlist because you don't like their accent? If not, why not? Soooo many questions. I am genuinely fascinated by your mindset.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 15:13:34 GMT
You are biased against American films in English, when these films are the ones that prop up the industry. Like crooked politicians, the Academy has been disloyal. Are you too? So many questions. I'll start with these: 1) How am I biased? My No.1 film of the year was an American movie. 2) Who am I being disloyal to? You are often deriding American productions. Was your favourite American film one of the nominees? Supporting the Academy’s disloyalty to its own industry.
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Post by nostromo on Feb 12, 2020 15:16:11 GMT
So many questions. I'll start with these: 1) How am I biased? My No.1 film of the year was an American movie. 2) Who am I being disloyal to? You are often deriding American productions. Was your favourite American film one of the nominees? Supporting the Academy’s disloyalty to its own industry. I often deride films if they are not very good. Doesn't matter where they come from. My favourite film this year was The Lighthouse - an American film that was nominated for an Oscar. As for disloyalty - I'm sure the Academy are going to be fine no matter what my opinions are.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 15:21:46 GMT
So because something looks good to you, it is supposed to look good to others? What self-serving, entitled vacuum are you living in? What French films are you talking about that look good? To whom do they look good? How does one gauge good? I certainly won’t be relying on your taste for what is “good”, and I would say the majority of film-goers won’t either. No, you've failed to grasp the point again I'm intrigued to know why you would never put a French film atop of your watchlist. Do you have a hierarchical ranking of countries that you do this to? What about Icelandic films or Colombia films? Would films from those countries ever feature high up your watchlist? If not, why not? Are they more or less likely to feature above French films on your watchlist? Why? Are all French films not on your watchlist because you don't like their accent? If not, why not? Soooo many questions. I am genuinely fascinated by your mindset. You haven’t made a point that resonates with me, only your condescension does, apart from your own favouritism for foreign language films. Why would I want to watch a foreign language film, that doesn’t appeal to me, regardless of where it is from. They rarely do, so get off your high horse.
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Post by nostromo on Feb 12, 2020 15:24:13 GMT
No, you've failed to grasp the point again I'm intrigued to know why you would never put a French film atop of your watchlist. Do you have a hierarchical ranking of countries that you do this to? What about Icelandic films or Colombia films? Would films from those countries ever feature high up your watchlist? If not, why not? Are they more or less likely to feature above French films on your watchlist? Why? Are all French films not on your watchlist because you don't like their accent? If not, why not? Soooo many questions. I am genuinely fascinated by your mindset. You haven’t made a point that resonates with me, only your condescension does, apart from your own favouritism for foreign language films. Why would I want to watch a foreign language film, that doesn’t appeal to me, regardless of where it is from. They rarely do, so get off your high horse. That's fine. But why would French be singled out as DEFINITELY NEVER BEING TOP OF YOUR LIST TO WATCH? I genuinely need to know. It's so odd.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 15:26:53 GMT
You are often deriding American productions. Was your favourite American film one of the nominees? Supporting the Academy’s disloyalty to its own industry. I often deride films if they are not very good. Doesn't matter where they come from. My favourite film this year was The Lighthouse - an American film that was nominated for an Oscar. As for disloyalty - I'm sure the Academy are going to be fine no matter what my opinions are. As I often deride foreign language films, not because they don’t look good-good is too much of an opened ended and generic term-but because they rarely look appealing to me. I used to be like you and would patronise others when they complained to me about having to read subtitles. I wouldn’t mind seeing The Lighthouse, but I doubt many would as it looks arty farty.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 15:28:51 GMT
You haven’t made a point that resonates with me, only your condescension does, apart from your own favouritism for foreign language films. Why would I want to watch a foreign language film, that doesn’t appeal to me, regardless of where it is from. They rarely do, so get off your high horse. That's fine. But why would French be singled out as DEFINITELY NEVER BEING TOP OF YOUR LIST TO WATCH? I genuinely need to know. It's so odd. You are a nosy git aren’t you!
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Post by nostromo on Feb 12, 2020 15:28:58 GMT
I often deride films if they are not very good. Doesn't matter where they come from. My favourite film this year was The Lighthouse - an American film that was nominated for an Oscar. As for disloyalty - I'm sure the Academy are going to be fine no matter what my opinions are. As I often deride foreign language films, not because they don’t look good-good is too much of an opened ended and generic term-but because they rarely look appealing to me. I used to be like you and would patronise others when they complained to me about having to read subtitles. I wouldn’t mind seeing The Lighthouse, but I doubt many would as it looks arty farty. Valued input, thanks.
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Post by nostromo on Feb 12, 2020 15:29:43 GMT
That's fine. But why would French be singled out as DEFINITELY NEVER BEING TOP OF YOUR LIST TO WATCH? I genuinely need to know. It's so odd. You are a nosy git aren’t you! Not really. Just asking about something you brought up.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 15:33:10 GMT
You are a nosy git aren’t you! Not really. Just asking about something you brought up. Betty Blue would be the only French film I really enjoyed. I just don’t like the look or style of them. Same with most Australian films that get produced today.
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Post by nostromo on Feb 12, 2020 15:34:27 GMT
Not really. Just asking about something you brought up. Betty Blue would be the only French film I really enjoyed. I just don’t like the look or style of them. Same with most Australian films that get produced today. They don't have the same "look or style" though really do they.............all the French films.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 15:41:42 GMT
No, Goodfellas was not robbed! Why would the Academy honor a film about despicable, spiritually impoverished people, over an epic, passionate and heartfelt masterful work about a majestic people and the land in which they inhibit, that eventually got its culture raped and decimated.
I will say though, what Goodfellas did having going for it, despite its ugliness, was a terrific script, which probably could have been awarded to Scorsese and his co-writer. Dances With Wolves was a screenplay first, then turned into a novel, then back into a screenplay. One could ask, which category did it really belong too?
Because Goodfellas was the better movie. Better directed and acted.. And who cares about people in Goodfellas are spiritually impoverished? When has that matter at all when determining which movie should win Best picture. Plus the Dances with Wolves victory was probably due to woke points even though it's the typical white savior narrative. Personally, I prefer the remake: Dances with the Samurai. I don’t relate to Goodfellas, the same way I do Dances. Dances was perfect cinema, where pretty much all elements came together to make a superb cinematic experience. I am not undermining the quality of Goodfellas, but it is not the kind of film the Academy would go for in lieu of the competition. I am not a huge Scorsese fan either. I find him an arrogant film-maker. I dislike The Departed - only won because of poor quality representation that year - And while I enjoyed watching Wolf Of Wall St, I question its existence and reason to be made.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 15:43:29 GMT
Betty Blue would be the only French film I really enjoyed. I just don’t like the look or style of them. Same with most Australian films that get produced today. They don't have the same "look or style" though really do they.............all the French films. Well, since I have seen enough to know I don’t enjoy them, why would I bother with them? Are you trying to tell me what I should be seeing in them now?
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But let’s be real, I would say it would have been a funding thing as well. By the way, if I do seek out a foreign film to watch, a French one would not be at the top not my list. 