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Post by nostromo on Feb 12, 2020 15:45:22 GMT
They don't have the same "look or style" though really do they.............all the French films. Well, since I have seen enough to know I don’t enjoy them, why would I bother with them? Are you trying to tell me what I should be seeing in them now? I wouldn't dream of doing that. I'm just giggling at the thought of all the French films ever made "having the same look and style"
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 15:51:55 GMT
Well, since I have seen enough to know I don’t enjoy them, why would I bother with them? Are you trying to tell me what I should be seeing in them now? I wouldn't dream of doing that. I'm just giggling at the thought of all the French films ever made "having the same look and style" Most girls like a good giggle. That doesn’t surprise me. I don’t often connect with the presentation or characters out of what I have seen. They DO come across as pretentious to me. I guess that is why you would like them.
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Post by nostromo on Feb 12, 2020 15:55:55 GMT
I wouldn't dream of doing that. I'm just giggling at the thought of all the French films ever made "having the same look and style" Most girls like a good giggle. That doesn’t surprise me. I don’t often connect with the presentation or characters out of what I have seen. They DO come across as pretentious to me. I guess that is why you would like them. I see. I would say you need to watch alot more of them in that case.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 15:58:46 GMT
Honeyland was a doco feature which was also in regard for international feature. Shouldn’t that at least made it the best doco by default? That would be true if HONEYLAND had been nominated for Best Picture, just as foreign movies nominated for B.P. win Best International Film by default. That's because B.P. encompasses all genres. AMERICAN FACTORY was chosen as the best of its genre-exclusive category, in which a nominee just happened to also be eligible for genre-exclusive another category. This only happened because of the name change in category. If it was still foreign film and not international feature, Honeyland would have only been slated in doco. To be honest, I was waiting for Parasite to not be announced for best International feature, then I would have seen that as an indication it was going to win best picture. When it did win International, I didn’t think the envelope would have been pushed further.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 15:59:53 GMT
Most girls like a good giggle. That doesn’t surprise me. I don’t often connect with the presentation or characters out of what I have seen. They DO come across as pretentious to me. I guess that is why you would like them. I see. I would say you need to watch alot more of them in that case. I DONT need to see or watch them and I won’t be going out of my way either.
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Post by nostromo on Feb 12, 2020 16:03:57 GMT
I see. I would say you need to watch alot more of them in that case. I DONT need to see or watch them and I won’t be going out of my way either. What about Spanish films? Japanese films? Any good? Or do they all have problems with lack of character depth and lighting?
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Feb 12, 2020 16:10:10 GMT
Nope! If they want it to be an international award show, then disperse of the foreign\international category. That is what it exists for. Ultimately, Oscars need to be honoring films that are made in America and other ENGLISH language films. Are they saying they aren't making enough quality films domestically, that they have to sidestep over this to throw a bone to foreign language cinema too? Way to undermine themselves and how diverse of the "woke" Academy!  Next year, all nominees will be female and black, even in the male acting categories. I'd have no real problem with that, but they would need to change the title of the award from "best picture" to "best picture in the English language" Then they'd obviously get vilified for not allowing "foreigners" to be included in their top prize. So, no, it ain't going to happen. It's a global film awards ceremony.
That's just the thing - it isn't really THE global film awards, is it? The Academy loves to sell it as such, but it is and it has always been the Hollywood award, with a few token nominations and wins to non-English language movies over the years just to keep the illusion going that it's THE global award and therefore the ultimate measuring stick for film quality - and if French, Japanese, Italian, Russian, Mexican and Indian movies never win, well, that's just because they are not as good as Hollywood movies, isn't it? That is what the Academy wants people all over the world to believe.
I loved Parasite (although not as much as "1917") and I watch tons of international films every year, but I hated that "Parasite" won. I don't want film fans to think of the Oscars as the World film awards. I don't want Brazilian fans dismissing French or Japanese movies because "if they were any good, how come they weren't even nominated for the Oscars".
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Post by Vits on Feb 12, 2020 16:11:18 GMT
If it was still foreign film and not international feature, Honeyland would have only been slated in doco. What? Why?
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Post by nostromo on Feb 12, 2020 16:11:51 GMT
I'd have no real problem with that, but they would need to change the title of the award from "best picture" to "best picture in the English language" Then they'd obviously get vilified for not allowing "foreigners" to be included in their top prize. So, no, it ain't going to happen. It's a global film awards ceremony.
That's just the thing - it isn't really THE global film awards, is it? The Academy loves to sell it as such, but it is and it has always been the Hollywood award, with a few token nominations and wins to non-English language movies over the years just to keep the illusion going that it's THE global award and therefore the ultimate measuring stick for film quality - and if French, Japanese, Italian, Russian, Mexican and Indian movies never win, well, that's just because they are not as good as Hollywood movies, isn't it? That is what the Academy wants people all over the world to believe.
I loved Parasite (although not as much as "1917") and I watch tons of international films every year, but I hated that "Parasite" won. I don't want film fans to think of the Oscars as the World film awards. I don't want Brazilian fans dismissing French or Japanese movies because "if they were any good, how come they weren't even nominated for the Oscars".
Yip. Pretty much. We've got to hope it does some good for international films rather than it being the exception.
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Post by vegalyra on Feb 12, 2020 16:23:18 GMT
I'd have no real problem with that, but they would need to change the title of the award from "best picture" to "best picture in the English language" Then they'd obviously get vilified for not allowing "foreigners" to be included in their top prize. So, no, it ain't going to happen. It's a global film awards ceremony.
That's just the thing - it isn't really THE global film awards, is it? The Academy loves to sell it as such, but it is and it has always been the Hollywood award, with a few token nominations and wins to non-English language movies over the years just to keep the illusion going that it's THE global award and therefore the ultimate measuring stick for film quality - and if French, Japanese, Italian, Russian, Mexican and Indian movies never win, well, that's just because they are not as good as Hollywood movies, isn't it? That is what the Academy wants people all over the world to believe.
I loved Parasite (although not as much as "1917") and I watch tons of international films every year, but I hated that "Parasite" won. I don't want film fans to think of the Oscars as the World film awards. I don't want Brazilian fans dismissing French or Japanese movies because "if they were any good, how come they weren't even nominated for the Oscars".
This is pretty much my view although I didn't enunciate it as well.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Feb 12, 2020 19:31:38 GMT
Of course not, its clearly proof that the Oscar is Anti-American.
But to give a proper answer, Yes
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 23:13:12 GMT
If it was still foreign film and not international feature, Honeyland would have only been slated in doco. What? Why? Because Best Foreign Language Film, well to my knowledge, has always been a feature film 'non'-documentary. Have any other documentaries been nominated for Best Foreign Language film before prior to this year when the category changed to Best International Feature and one got included?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 23:18:58 GMT
I DONT need to see or watch them and I won’t be going out of my way either. What about Spanish films? Japanese films? Any good? Or do they all have problems with lack of character depth and lighting? Well, lets put it this way, they have more depth, character - my, how virtuous you are - and would light up a room far more than you would.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 23:19:53 GMT
That's just the thing - it isn't really THE global film awards, is it? The Academy loves to sell it as such, but it is and it has always been the Hollywood award, with a few token nominations and wins to non-English language movies over the years just to keep the illusion going that it's THE global award and therefore the ultimate measuring stick for film quality - and if French, Japanese, Italian, Russian, Mexican and Indian movies never win, well, that's just because they are not as good as Hollywood movies, isn't it? That is what the Academy wants people all over the world to believe.
I loved Parasite (although not as much as "1917") and I watch tons of international films every year, but I hated that "Parasite" won. I don't want film fans to think of the Oscars as the World film awards. I don't want Brazilian fans dismissing French or Japanese movies because "if they were any good, how come they weren't even nominated for the Oscars".
Yip. Pretty much. We've got to hope it does some good for international films rather than it being the exception. For what 'ultimate' purpose would it do some good and to serve what?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 23:29:33 GMT
I'd have no real problem with that, but they would need to change the title of the award from "best picture" to "best picture in the English language" Then they'd obviously get vilified for not allowing "foreigners" to be included in their top prize. So, no, it ain't going to happen. It's a global film awards ceremony.
That's just the thing - it isn't really THE global film awards, is it? The Academy loves to sell it as such, but it is and it has always been the Hollywood award, with a few token nominations and wins to non-English language movies over the years just to keep the illusion going that it's THE global award and therefore the ultimate measuring stick for film quality - and if French, Japanese, Italian, Russian, Mexican and Indian movies never win, well, that's just because they are not as good as Hollywood movies, isn't it? That is what the Academy wants people all over the world to believe.
I loved Parasite (although not as much as "1917") and I watch tons of international films every year, but I hated that "Parasite" won. I don't want film fans to think of the Oscars as the World film awards. I don't want Brazilian fans dismissing French or Japanese movies because "if they were any good, how come they weren't even nominated for the Oscars".
The transparency of the phony, hypocritical Academy is astounding. Now that a foreign film has won best picture, it must BE the measuring stick of quality. It is like Joaquin Phoenix's recent award winning speeches, wanting others to know how wonderful he is and to make sure we know he's not racist, sexist and pro-vegan, pro-climate change et all, but the rest of us are just despicable. My, how grandstandingly virtuous of him, not to mention "Joker like" and that is scary that these posturing clowns think they are the voice of reason.
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Post by Vits on Feb 12, 2020 23:40:25 GMT
Have any other documentaries been nominated for Best Foreign Language film before prior to this year when the category changed to Best International Feature and one got included? No, but I think that's because countries can only submit 1 movie for the award, and they usually choose fictional movies.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 23:53:06 GMT
Have any other documentaries been nominated for Best Foreign Language film before prior to this year when the category changed to Best International Feature and one got included? No, but I think that's because countries can only submit 1 movie for the award, and they usually choose fictional movies. I just felt it seemed odd, that if it was considered for best of international film, then wouldn't that by default of nomination process, make it the best feature documentary, since it was honored twice in 2 different categories? Both these categories are for the film as a 'whole', not a sub-component, like some other technical aspect of the film getting nominated. It is the same principal as Parasite's nominations.
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Post by hi224 on Feb 13, 2020 4:33:31 GMT
No, but I think that's because countries can only submit 1 movie for the award, and they usually choose fictional movies. I just felt it seemed odd, that if it was considered for best of international film, then wouldn't that by default of nomination process, make it the best feature documentary, since it was honored twice in 2 different categories? Both these categories are for the film as a 'whole', not a sub-component, like some other technical aspect of the film getting nominated. It is the same principal as Parasite's nominations.
Pretty much guaranteed you are likely a troll as well....
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 13, 2020 4:36:26 GMT
I just felt it seemed odd, that if it was considered for best of international film, then wouldn't that by default of nomination process, make it the best feature documentary, since it was honored twice in 2 different categories? Both these categories are for the film as a 'whole', not a sub-component, like some other technical aspect of the film getting nominated. It is the same principal as Parasite's nominations. Pretty much guaranteed you are likely a troll as well.... If you don't have anything useful to add, which you rarely do, only endorses your existence into trolldom.
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Post by kevin on Feb 13, 2020 6:52:34 GMT
I really don't understand why some people now suddenly have the opinion that you can't be nominated for both Foreign and Best Picture. It has always been a possibility and f.e. it's also possible to be nominated for both Animated Feature and Best Picture (Up, Toy Story 3). Why did no one complain about that, it's exactly the same to what happened now. Also, this isn't the first non-American movie to win. Besides the many British movies, The Artist won in 2011/2012. And the Artist is a French movie. I don't recall any outrage back then, why is it now suddenly different? Is it because The Artist was a silent movie so people weren't smart enough to figure out it was foreign, I find it hard to believe that.
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