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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 10:58:08 GMT
That is your own strawman you have just projected. Dances With Wolves won picture and I think that is a masterful film and is largely subtitled. However, it is a slice of Americana about native Americans. You probably wouldn't care for that film anyway, because you are a pretentious film snob.
It won but it shouldn't have. Goodfellas was robbed. No, Goodfellas was not robbed! Why would the Academy honor a film about despicable, spiritually impoverished people, over an epic, passionate and heartfelt masterful work about a majestic people and the land in which they inhibit, that eventually got its culture raped and decimated.
I will say though, what Goodfellas did having going for it, despite its ugliness, was a terrific script, which probably could have been awarded to Scorsese and his co-writer. Dances With Wolves was a screenplay first, then turned into a novel, then back into a screenplay. One could ask, which category did it really belong too?
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Post by nostromo on Feb 12, 2020 10:59:52 GMT
It won but it shouldn't have. Goodfellas was robbed. No, Goodfellas was not robbed! Why would the Academy honor a film about despicable, spiritually impoverished people, over an epic, passionate and heartfelt masterful work about a majestic people and the land in which they inhibit, that eventually got its culture raped and decimated.
So the Academy should only honor films about specific content that YOU like? And I'm pretentious? This is too funny.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 11:02:23 GMT
Oh, of course. It had subtitles, so that must give it some merit in your superior highbrow cinematic psyche. Lolz at your anger. I'm certainly not superior to anything or anyone. The only one stating that is you. It seems you have a huge inferiority complex here. I suggest you go and watch some Kieslowski or Kore-eda to sooth your soul. Oh, of course not, I am not the one boasting about the quality of foreign film over American. Are you inferring that someone is inferior, if they don't share your up-market taste. I have seen 4 of Kieslowski's films. They were interesting at the time, but I wanted to be a film snob too. I soon broke out of that mould, when I saw it for the pretentious shite it was.
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Post by mslo79 on Feb 12, 2020 11:03:20 GMT
I can see arguing both ways...
For it... in the sense there should be no limit on what can win as if something is truly the best it should not be excluded otherwise one would be lowering the quality standard for Best Picture.
Against it... in the sense they are much less likely to have any staying power with the audiences.
but at the end of the day... I am generally against foreign movies winning Best Picture mostly because very few of those types stand out in general AND, like mentioned above, foreign movies just tend to be largely forgettable. so I figure it's mostly a waste of the 'Best Picture' award for foreign movies.
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Post by nostromo on Feb 12, 2020 11:03:21 GMT
Lolz at your anger. I'm certainly not superior to anything or anyone. The only one stating that is you. It seems you have a huge inferiority complex here. I suggest you go and watch some Kieslowski or Kore-eda to sooth your soul. Oh, of course not, I am not the one boasting about the quality of foreign film over American. Are you inferring that someone is inferior, if they don't share your up-market taste. No. I don't think I've said that anywhere.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 11:03:42 GMT
No, Goodfellas was not robbed! Why would the Academy honor a film about despicable, spiritually impoverished people, over an epic, passionate and heartfelt masterful work about a majestic people and the land in which they inhibit, that eventually got its culture raped and decimated.
So the Academy should only honor films about specific content that YOU like? And I'm pretentious? This is too funny. No, they need to focus on their own productions and not what you think it should be honoring, just because of your fake "wokeness".
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 11:04:17 GMT
Oh, of course not, I am not the one boasting about the quality of foreign film over American. Are you inferring that someone is inferior, if they don't share your up-market taste. No. I don't think I've said that anywhere. No, but you are implying it? It was your projection behind your comment. You even said the US need to up their game.
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Post by nostromo on Feb 12, 2020 11:10:22 GMT
No. I don't think I've said that anywhere. No, but you are implying it? It was your projection behind your comment. You even said the US need to up their game.  It was literally you that said that: IMDB2.freeforums.net/post/3664628This is not going well for you.
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Post by nostromo on Feb 12, 2020 11:11:26 GMT
So the Academy should only honor films about specific content that YOU like? And I'm pretentious? This is too funny. No, they need to focus on their own productions and not what you think it should be honoring, just because of your fake "wokeness". They need to form a new awards ceremony then.
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Post by Vits on Feb 12, 2020 11:18:31 GMT
Honeyland won neither of its awards though and that was up for doco feature and international feature. Very odd! That's not odd. It's math. AMERICAN FACTORY wasn't a foreign film and PARASITE wasn't a documentary.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 11:19:03 GMT
No, but you are implying it? It was your projection behind your comment. You even said the US need to up their game. It was literally you that said that: IMDB2.freeforums.net/post/3664628This is not going well for you. I guess you don’t get sarcasm or context either, like most people around here.
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Post by Winter_King on Feb 12, 2020 11:20:16 GMT
It won but it shouldn't have. Goodfellas was robbed. No, Goodfellas was not robbed! Why would the Academy honor a film about despicable, spiritually impoverished people, over an epic, passionate and heartfelt masterful work about a majestic people and the land in which they inhibit, that eventually got its culture raped and decimated.
I will say though, what Goodfellas did having going for it, despite its ugliness, was a terrific script, which probably could have been awarded to Scorsese and his co-writer. Dances With Wolves was a screenplay first, then turned into a novel, then back into a screenplay. One could ask, which category did it really belong too?
Because Goodfellas was the better movie. Better directed and acted.. And who cares about people in Goodfellas are spiritually impoverished? When has that matter at all when determining which movie should win Best picture. Plus the Dances with Wolves victory was probably due to woke points even though it's the typical white savior narrative. Personally, I prefer the remake: Dances with the Samurai.
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Post by nostromo on Feb 12, 2020 11:21:38 GMT
I guess you don’t get sarcasm or context either, like most people around here. The irony being that your sarcasm is so out of touch, that it is correct in this instance.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 11:22:01 GMT
Honeyland won neither of its awards though and that was up for doco feature and international feature. Very odd! That's not odd. It's math. AMERICAN FACTORY wasn't a foreign film and PARASITE wasn't a documentary. Honeyland was a doco feature which was also in regard for international feature. Shouldn’t that at least made it the best doco by default?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 11:24:59 GMT
I guess you don’t get sarcasm or context either, like most people around here. The irony being that your sarcasm is so out of touch, that it is correct in this instance. I guess the Academy is so out of touch, that they are not interested in their own homegrown produced films anymore. The irony is, that this context of sarcasm was lost on you.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 11:25:11 GMT
I guess you don’t get sarcasm or context either, like most people around here. The irony being that your sarcasm is so out of touch, that it is correct in this instance. I guess the Academy is so out of touch, that they are not interested in their own homegrown produced films anymore. The irony is, that this context of sarcasm was lost on you.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 11:27:40 GMT
No, they need to focus on their own productions and not what you think it should be honoring, just because of your fake "wokeness". They need to form a new awards ceremony then. Yes, away from the Oscars for foreign language films which they just adore so much, outside of their own.
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Post by nostromo on Feb 12, 2020 11:27:45 GMT
The irony being that your sarcasm is so out of touch, that it is correct in this instance. I guess the Academy is so out of touch, that they are not interested in their own homegrown produced films anymore. The irony is, that this context of sarcasm was lost on you. On the contrary, this has put my faith back in the Academy for awarding Parasite with 4 gongs. It may only be the 12th or 13th best South Korean film ever made (in my opinion), but it's a good start after 91 years of failure.
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Post by nostromo on Feb 12, 2020 11:29:09 GMT
They need to form a new awards ceremony then. Yes, away from the Oscars for foreign language films which they just adore so much, outside of their own. That would be good. A total break from world cinema. Just make the Oscars for American made movies so there's no confusion. See how that pan's out for the Academy.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 11:34:27 GMT
I guess the Academy is so out of touch, that they are not interested in their own homegrown produced films anymore. The irony is, that this context of sarcasm was lost on you. On the contrary, this has put my faith back in the Academy for awarding Parasite with 4 gongs. It may only be the 12th or 13th best South Korean film ever made (in my opinion), but it's a good start after 91 years of failure. It should have been 3. I also haven’t argued against it winning the other 3, only the best picture issue. Had it not been in picture category and still been nominated for director, would Bong still have won director? I don’t recall in my lifetime, seeing a film ever win director, that wasn’t nominated for picture.
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