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Post by nostromo on Feb 12, 2020 11:38:17 GMT
On the contrary, this has put my faith back in the Academy for awarding Parasite with 4 gongs. It may only be the 12th or 13th best South Korean film ever made (in my opinion), but it's a good start after 91 years of failure. It should have been 3. I also haven’t argued against it winning the other 3, only the best picture issue. Had it not been in picture category and still been nominated for director, would Bong still have won director? I don’t recall in my lifetime, seeing a film ever win director, that wasn’t nominated for picture. Have you been this vocal all of the other 11 years that a non English language film has been nominated for best picture? Or is it only now that one has won?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 11:39:32 GMT
Yes, away from the Oscars for foreign language films which they just adore so much, outside of their own. That would be good. A total break from world cinema. Just make the Oscars for American made movies so there's no confusion. See how that pan's out for the Academy. They will fear the backlash of the faux outraged liberals, who just want to project dogoodedness. Has it ever panned out well for them regardless. They appear to make poor choices every year regarding what wins picture, in the eyes of the passionate? This year, it was about proving how wonderfully diverse they are and the conjecture was unfounded. So now, they have some evidence.
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Post by nostromo on Feb 12, 2020 11:40:23 GMT
That would be good. A total break from world cinema. Just make the Oscars for American made movies so there's no confusion. See how that pan's out for the Academy. They will fear the backlash of the faux outraged liberals, who just want to project dogoodedness. Has it ever panned out well for them regardless. They appear to make poor choices every year regarding what wins picture, in the eyes of the passionate? This year, it was about proving how wonderfully diverse they are and the conjecture was unfounded. So now, they have some evidence. Why are they "faux"? Why is their outrage not genuine?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 11:44:49 GMT
It should have been 3. I also haven’t argued against it winning the other 3, only the best picture issue. Had it not been in picture category and still been nominated for director, would Bong still have won director? I don’t recall in my lifetime, seeing a film ever win director, that wasn’t nominated for picture. Have you been this vocal all of the other 11 years that a non English language film has been nominated for best picture? Or is it only now that one has won? I would have been even more vocal if Parasite was Netflix.  I have a platform on here, like we all do to be vocal. It has always been something that crosses my mind. This year, I felt there were a lot of deserving English language films that missed out on nominations in various categories.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 11:45:44 GMT
They will fear the backlash of the faux outraged liberals, who just want to project dogoodedness. Has it ever panned out well for them regardless. They appear to make poor choices every year regarding what wins picture, in the eyes of the passionate? This year, it was about proving how wonderfully diverse they are and the conjecture was unfounded. So now, they have some evidence. Why are they "faux"? Why is their outrage not genuine? Get with the program man!
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Post by nostromo on Feb 12, 2020 11:46:16 GMT
Have you been this vocal all of the other 11 years that a non English language film has been nominated for best picture? Or is it only now that one has won? I would have been even more vocal if Parasite was Netflix. I have a platform on here, like we all do to be vocal. It has always been something that crosses my mind. This year, I felt there were a lot of deserving English language films that missed out on nominations in various categories. There were many non English language films that missed out in various categories too. Parasite (as good as it is) was in my opinion about the 4th or 5th best foreign language movie of the year.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 12, 2020 11:47:29 GMT
Irrelevant viewpoint. Best Picture is for Best Picture. That would include foreign, American, English, animated, and even documentary. Best in whose eyes anyway? I guess now, Amercan produced films need to up their act, if they can't make films as well, or as deserving as a foreign language film, that only film snobs will care about. All movies need to up their act, there's a lot of mediocre and bad ones out there and some of them are even nominated, but one picture out of 9 hardly constitutes a foreign film uprising. A foreign film has been nominated 9 previous times, I wonder if people are just thinking they were just honorary nominations?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 11:56:18 GMT
I would have been even more vocal if Parasite was Netflix. I have a platform on here, like we all do to be vocal. It has always been something that crosses my mind. This year, I felt there were a lot of deserving English language films that missed out on nominations in various categories. There were many non English language films that missed out in various categories too. Parasite (as good as it is) was in my opinion about the 4th or 5th best foreign language movie of the year. Back to the rinse cycle. They threw the bone to Parasite due to hype. They do not, nor do they need nominate foreign language films in any category other than foreign language. They do so because of political agenda grandstanding. I am interested in knowing who the runner ups are. For picture, if not Parasite, where would picture have gone if Bong still won director? 1917, or what I saw as a dark horse, Ford vs Ferrari, which is in my top 5 of the year. English speaking of course, because I don’t go out of my way for foreign language films. Life is too short.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 12, 2020 11:57:06 GMT
I can see arguing both ways... For it... in the sense there should be no limit on what can win as if something is truly the best it should not be excluded otherwise one would be lowering the quality standard for Best Picture. Against it... in the sense they are much less likely to have any staying power with the audiences. but at the end of the day... I am generally against foreign movies winning Best Picture mostly because very few of those types stand out in general AND, like mentioned above, foreign movies just tend to be largely forgettable. so I figure it's mostly a waste of the 'Best Picture' award for foreign movies. That makes no sense to me. How on earth is Parasite more forgettable than any of the other nominees? Subtitles?
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Post by nostromo on Feb 12, 2020 11:59:42 GMT
There were many non English language films that missed out in various categories too. Parasite (as good as it is) was in my opinion about the 4th or 5th best foreign language movie of the year. Back to the rinse cycle. They threw the bone to Parasite due to hype. They do not, nor do they need nominate foreign language films in any category other than foreign language. They do so because of political agenda grandstanding. So in 1939, the academy was forced to choose a French film as a nominee for best picture due to 'Political Grandstanding'? He he he that's brilliant. let me guess, it was because the 2nd world war had just started and the Americans wanted to be nice to France? 
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Post by nostromo on Feb 12, 2020 12:00:43 GMT
I can see arguing both ways... For it... in the sense there should be no limit on what can win as if something is truly the best it should not be excluded otherwise one would be lowering the quality standard for Best Picture. Against it... in the sense they are much less likely to have any staying power with the audiences. but at the end of the day... I am generally against foreign movies winning Best Picture mostly because very few of those types stand out in general AND, like mentioned above, foreign movies just tend to be largely forgettable. so I figure it's mostly a waste of the 'Best Picture' award for foreign movies. That makes no sense to me. How on earth is Parasite more forgettable than any of the other nominees? Subtitles? It boggles the mind doesn't it. All foreign langauge films are forgettable. But the best English language ones are very memorable? What the what now?
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 12:06:42 GMT
Back to the rinse cycle. They threw the bone to Parasite due to hype. They do not, nor do they need nominate foreign language films in any category other than foreign language. They do so because of political agenda grandstanding. So in 1939, the academy was forced to choose a French film as a nominee for best picture due to 'Political Grandstanding'? He he he that's brilliant. let me guess, it was because the 2nd world war had just started and the Americans wanted to be nice to France? If that is not the reason, come up with a better one.
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Post by nostromo on Feb 12, 2020 12:07:16 GMT
So in 1939, the academy was forced to choose a French film as a nominee for best picture due to 'Political Grandstanding'? He he he that's brilliant. let me guess, it was because the 2nd world war had just started and the Americans wanted to be nice to France? If that is not the reason, come up with a better one. Oh dear lord 
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 12:15:05 GMT
If that is not the reason, come up with a better one. Oh dear lord I guess they wanted to prove how diverse they were to all the film snobs at that time, due to complaints from others similar to yourself, because of how seriously they took French cinema. But let’s be real, I would say it would have been a funding thing as well. By the way, if I do seek out a foreign film to watch, a French one would not be at the top not my list. It is all era contextual and political agendas do rule. Evidence of this is in the topical choices they make at the time.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 12:20:50 GMT
Best in whose eyes anyway? I guess now, Amercan produced films need to up their act, if they can't make films as well, or as deserving as a foreign language film, that only film snobs will care about. All movies need to up their act, there's a lot of mediocre and bad ones out there and some of them are even nominated, but one picture out of 9 hardly constitutes a foreign film uprising. A foreign film has been nominated 9 previous times, I wonder if people are just thinking they were just honorary nominations? Many are made to formula and that can be frustrating at times, especially if integrity can be lacking. The past year, I can’t say that I can personally complain too much though. The crap ones I saw, I didn’t have much expectation from them anyway.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 12, 2020 12:26:52 GMT
That makes no sense to me. How on earth is Parasite more forgettable than any of the other nominees? Subtitles? It boggles the mind doesn't it. All foreign langauge films are forgettable. But the best English language ones are very memorable? What the what now? To the English speaking culture they are.
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Post by Vits on Feb 12, 2020 12:33:15 GMT
Honeyland was a doco feature which was also in regard for international feature. Shouldn’t that at least made it the best doco by default? That would be true if HONEYLAND had been nominated for Best Picture, just as foreign movies nominated for B.P. win Best International Film by default. That's because B.P. encompasses all genres. AMERICAN FACTORY was chosen as the best of its genre-exclusive category, in which a nominee just happened to also be eligible for genre-exclusive another category.
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Post by nostromo on Feb 12, 2020 12:34:39 GMT
It boggles the mind doesn't it. All foreign langauge films are forgettable. But the best English language ones are very memorable? What the what now? To the English speaking culture they are. I'm English speaking. So no, you're incorrect.
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Post by nostromo on Feb 12, 2020 12:36:47 GMT
Oh dear lord I guess they wanted to prove how diverse they were to all the film snobs at that time, due to complaints from others similar to yourself, because of how seriously they took French cinema. But let’s be real, I would say it would have been a funding thing as well. By the way, if I do seek out a foreign film to watch, a French one would not be at the top not my list. It is all era contextual and political agendas do rule. Evidence of this is in the topical choices they make at the time. Why would a French film not be the top of your list? Why would you not base a film to watch on how good it looks not where it is made? I'm so fascinated by this mindset. It' so alien to me. It's bonkers.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 12, 2020 13:52:46 GMT
Oh dear lord I guess they wanted to prove how diverse they were to all the film snobs at that time, due to complaints from others similar to yourself, because of how seriously they took French cinema. But let’s be real, I would say it would have been a funding thing as well. By the way, if I do seek out a foreign film to watch, a French one would not be at the top not my list. It is all era contextual and political agendas do rule. Evidence of this is in the topical choices they make at the time. you should turn that into a movie. |
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