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Post by Arlon10 on Feb 15, 2020 12:09:11 GMT
Things are about to wrap up here, folks. What a lot of fun it was though. What a boatload of memories there are. Intelligent design is not going to prove the divinity of Yahweh, Allah, Ishvara, Buddha, Krishna, Jesus, California Psychics, Uri Geller, or your neighbor's Scottish terrier.
It will prove life did not assemble itself by sheer accident, as much as anything has ever been proved, and that is going to make many people rethink their attitudes about quite many things. What will happen to all the sneering, name calling, and backbiting? What good will trolling be? What will happen when people find out they are not the masters of the universe they once thought?
Will the Republicans be the first to admit the truth? They had two years holding house, senate and presidency. Then they had a year (so far, they have another year left) with all that but the house. Why the delay? Do they not want to admit the truth? Do they not realize they need to? I suspect it's a little of both. It breaks my heart how there could be some who still want the truth and wonder why their party abandoned them.
When these boards separated from the massive movie database their traffic began steadily declining. Facebook had more traffic when it was "new." Now we've seen most of the pet tricks, memes, and ways to prepare potatoes there are.
We are going to have to get a life and be masters of our own little patch of the universe. Science will be back where it once was playing captain obvious, but not having all the secrets of the universe or even as much as how to sell diet plans.
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Post by kls on Feb 15, 2020 12:32:30 GMT
How and when will this happen?
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Post by Arlon10 on Feb 15, 2020 12:56:38 GMT
How and when will this happen? Have you turned on your TV and been sickened by what you see? Have you noticed how leaders are behaving so terribly? How the national debt keeps skyrocketing? I suspect that will only get worse before people finally turn to plan C, which is realizing neither party as organized has a clue, and reorganizing. There might be a plan D as well.
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Post by kls on Feb 15, 2020 13:04:52 GMT
How and when will this happen? Have you turned on your TV and been sickened by what you see? Have you noticed how leaders are behaving so terribly? How the national debt keeps skyrocketing? I suspect that will only get worse before people finally turn to plan C, which is realizing neither party as organized has a clue, and reorganizing. There might be a plan D as well. What does that have to do with proving how life assembled (be it a divine creator or sheer accident)?
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Post by Arlon10 on Feb 15, 2020 13:18:54 GMT
Have you turned on your TV and been sickened by what you see? Have you noticed how leaders are behaving so terribly? How the national debt keeps skyrocketing? I suspect that will only get worse before people finally turn to plan C, which is realizing neither party as organized has a clue, and reorganizing. There might be a plan D as well. What does that have to do with proving how life assembled (be it a divine creator or sheer accident)? Ronald Reagan already said it, "In this present crisis [!], government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." It happens to still be the same crisis. More people are understanding it as the farce of government rages on. In Kitzmiller v. Dover it was the government that sided with "evolution" or some bizarre extension of it. It was the school system that sided with intelligent design. It was not the best representative school system or we would have won. Many years earlier in the Scopes trial it was the school system that sided with "evolution" or some bizarre extension of it and the government that (incorrectly) forbid that. The school system today can stand up to government, just waiting for your cue.
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Post by kls on Feb 15, 2020 13:22:49 GMT
What does that have to do with proving how life assembled (be it a divine creator or sheer accident)? Ronald Reagan already said it, "In this present crisis [!], government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." It happens to still be the same crisis. More people are understanding it as the farce of government rages on. In Kitzmiller v. Dover it was the government that sided with "evolution" or some bizarre extension of it. It was the school system that sided with intelligent design. It was not the best representative school system or we would have won. Many years earlier in the Scopes trial it was the school system that sided with "evolution" or some bizarre extension of it and the government that (incorrectly) forbid that. The school system today can stand up to government, just waiting for your cue. I understand the words you wrote. I don't get what it has to do with what I asked or what you mean by 'just waiting for your cue.'
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Post by Arlon10 on Feb 15, 2020 13:36:50 GMT
Ronald Reagan already said it, "In this present crisis [!], government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." It happens to still be the same crisis. More people are understanding it as the farce of government rages on. In Kitzmiller v. Dover it was the government that sided with "evolution" or some bizarre extension of it. It was the school system that sided with intelligent design. It was not the best representative school system or we would have won. Many years earlier in the Scopes trial it was the school system that sided with "evolution" or some bizarre extension of it and the government that (incorrectly) forbid that. The school system today can stand up to government, just waiting for your cue. I understand the words you wrote. I don't get what it has to do with what I asked or what you mean by 'just waiting for your cue.' It is not as simple as finding the answer then putting it on TV. There are going to be issues of who gets the credit and how much blame, if any, goes where. That is the delay presenting the truth of intelligent design, and I think you can understand it. In a meeting with management of a local PBS station I discussed how I think it is important for education, government and communication leaders to cooperate in presentation. That was a long time ago. Since then the logo of the station has changed from "PBS" to "VPM" (Virginia Public Media), although it is still mostly PBS programming. Generally things have not gone as I hoped, especially with Republicans.
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Post by kls on Feb 15, 2020 13:41:07 GMT
I understand the words you wrote. I don't get what it has to do with what I asked or what you mean by 'just waiting for your cue.' It is not as simple as finding the answer then putting it on TV. There are going to be issues of who gets the credit and how much blame, if any, goes where. That is the delay presenting the truth of intelligent design, and I think you can understand it. In a meeting with management of a local PBS station I discussed how I think it is important for education, government and communication leaders to cooperate in presentation. That was a long time ago. Since then the logo of the station has changed from "PBS" to "VPM" (Virginia Public Media), although it is still mostly PBS programming. Generally things have not gone as I hoped, especially with Republicans. I'm very confused. Are we talking about the same thing? How life was assembled if I wasn't clear.
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Post by Arlon10 on Feb 15, 2020 13:52:26 GMT
It is not as simple as finding the answer then putting it on TV. There are going to be issues of who gets the credit and how much blame, if any, goes where. That is the delay presenting the truth of intelligent design, and I think you can understand it. In a meeting with management of a local PBS station I discussed how I think it is important for education, government and communication leaders to cooperate in presentation. That was a long time ago. Since then the logo of the station has changed from "PBS" to "VPM" (Virginia Public Media), although it is still mostly PBS programming. Generally things have not gone as I hoped, especially with Republicans. I'm very confused. Are we talking about the same thing? How life was assembled if I wasn't clear. After decades of observing short RNA chains in order to witness them getting any longer it is apparent they tend to tear each other apart at just over 40 links rather than begin to assemble life. That was the one method of "random" assembly that previously was taken seriously, now of course it cannot. This has nothing to do with any religion, nor which came first the chicken, egg, man, or ape. It has nothing to do with already complex living things developing minor improvements through genetic copying "failures" and natural selection of those changes, which of course can still be taught in schools. It has to do with how to get from point A to point B, not how magnificent points W, X, Y, and Z might be or how.
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Post by faustus5 on Feb 15, 2020 14:25:57 GMT
After decades of observing short RNA chains in order to witness them getting any longer it is apparent they tend to tear each other apart at just over 40 links rather than begin to assemble life. So that was apparently a wrong turn in the science. Good to know scientists learn and move on even if idiots like you never do. Just one and the only one, huh? Can you document this by citing the scientific literature where serious, respected scientists actually said such things in their own words, or did you just pull it all out of your dumb ass?
Don't worry: we all know the answer to that question.
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Post by Arlon10 on Feb 15, 2020 14:51:28 GMT
After decades of observing short RNA chains in order to witness them getting any longer it is apparent they tend to tear each other apart at just over 40 links rather than begin to assemble life. So that was apparently a wrong turn in the science. Good to know scientists learn and move on even if idiots like you never do. Just one and the only one, huh? Can you document this by citing the scientific literature where serious, respected scientists actually said such things in their own words, or did you just pull it all out of your dumb ass?
Don't worry: we all know the answer to that question.
My point is that no other means of "random" assembly appears. The onus then is on you to show some other means if there is one. If you would rather not try, don't. We already know you can't.
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Post by kls on Feb 15, 2020 15:02:09 GMT
So that was apparently a wrong turn in the science. Good to know scientists learn and move on even if idiots like you never do. Just one and the only one, huh? Can you document this by citing the scientific literature where serious, respected scientists actually said such things in their own words, or did you just pull it all out of your dumb ass?
Don't worry: we all know the answer to that question.
My point is that no other means of "random" assembly appears. The onus then is on you to show some other means if there is one. If you would rather not try, don't. We already know you can't. I don't see how anyone is going to prove random assembly or a creator. Myself, I believe in God and believe he created life. Now how He put that process into motion I have zero clue. I certainly can't prove it.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 15, 2020 15:03:04 GMT
After decades of observing short RNA chains in order to witness them getting any longer it is apparent they tend to tear each other apart at just over 40 links rather than begin to assemble life. So that was apparently a wrong turn in the science. Good to know scientists learn and move on even if idiots like you never do. Just one and the only one, huh? Can you document this by citing the scientific literature where serious, respected scientists actually said such things in their own words, or did you just pull it all out of your dumb ass?
Don't worry: we all know the answer to that question.
Read this, and it's like Brandon never died. Always demanding scientific literature by "respected" scientists, the best scientists that money can buy!
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Post by Isapop on Feb 15, 2020 15:14:36 GMT
Arlon10 lol Hearing that from you is like hearing that from Wile E. Coyote.
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Post by Arlon10 on Feb 15, 2020 15:20:11 GMT
My point is that no other means of "random" assembly appears. The onus then is on you to show some other means if there is one. If you would rather not try, don't. We already know you can't. I don't see how anyone is going to prove random assembly or a creator. Myself, I believe in God and believe he created life. Now how He put that process into motion I have zero clue. I certainly can't prove it. Perhaps you have other responsibilities that impede your thorough study of these matters.
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Post by kls on Feb 15, 2020 15:24:41 GMT
I don't see how anyone is going to prove random assembly or a creator. Myself, I believe in God and believe he created life. Now how He put that process into motion I have zero clue. I certainly can't prove it. Perhaps you have other responsibilities that impede your thorough study of these matters. I have no idea why I'd be interested in engaging in a thorough studies of these matters. I have faith God managed it. I don't really need to know how or assume any of us humans will ever fully comprehend it.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 15, 2020 15:35:30 GMT
Perhaps you have other responsibilities that impede your thorough study of these matters. I have no idea why I'd be interested in engaging in a thorough studies of these matters. I have faith God managed it. I don't really need to know how or assume any of us humans will ever fully comprehend it. The world is changing. Values are changing. Based on your writings, I don't think you're going to like what the future holds. I already don't like it. God has been declared nonexistent, and the burden of proving that God exists is being put on us.
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Post by faustus5 on Feb 16, 2020 13:53:25 GMT
My point is that no other means of "random" assembly appears. Nothing is going to appear to a person who actively avoids reading what ideas actual scientists area coming up with.
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Post by faustus5 on Feb 16, 2020 13:55:42 GMT
Always demanding scientific literature by "respected" scientists, the best scientists that money can buy! Scientists who don't work for big companies figuring out to make their owners rich don't make very much money at all, you fucking ignorant clown.
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Post by Arlon10 on Feb 16, 2020 13:56:53 GMT
My point is that no other means of "random" assembly appears. Nothing is going to appear to a person who actively avoids reading what ideas actual scientists area coming up with. I'm sure you're an expert on that at least.
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