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Post by RiP, IMDb on Feb 19, 2020 23:19:55 GMT
When you defend homosexuality you're defending this, whether you realize it or not.
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Post by buckyv2 on Feb 19, 2020 23:21:38 GMT
You cant paper over your hatred of them. It's there for all with eyes to see. You are commanded to love them. If you judge them, you will yourself be judged. Sodomites are disgusting monsters. They are going to burn, and you along with them. You should run a support group called Sodomites Anon.
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Post by buckyv2 on Feb 19, 2020 23:22:31 GMT
Being gay doesn't mean you are a pedo.
An often repeated lie!!!
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Feb 20, 2020 1:11:30 GMT
Do you get this from The Bible alone, or is it "enhanced" by some personal belief? Also, are you aware of the interpretations out there that say the "sins of Sodom" have nothing to do with homosexuality? I find them rather compelling given that every times those sins are mentioned elsewhere in The Bible, none of those mentions include homosexual acts, only two mention sex at all, and the rest are about the abuse/rape of strangers. Even when Jesus mentions Sodom & Gomorrah it's in the context of Israel treating his disciples poorly. But for many, Christianity is about controlling sex and sexual urges...usually other people’s...and not much else judging by their lack of application of it in their otherwise outward expression. I actually think that for early/earlier civilizations, controlling sex and sexual urges as much as possible was probably a social health concern. We didn't have much protection from, knowledge about, or ways to treat STDs, and because life expectancy was shorter and plenty of babies didn't make it past infancy there was a need for marriage and procreation in a safe-as-possible environment. Promiscuity threatened that on multiple levels, and homosexuality could've just been seen as wasteful since it couldn't produce more human beings. Now we have more humans than we need, we have plenty of ways to protect ourselves sexually and treat any bad stuff that can arise because of it.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Feb 20, 2020 1:11:56 GMT
Do you get this from The Bible alone, or is it "enhanced" by some personal belief? Also, are you aware of the interpretations out there that say the "sins of Sodom" have nothing to do with homosexuality? I find them rather compelling given that every times those sins are mentioned elsewhere in The Bible, none of those mentions include homosexual acts, only two mention sex at all, and the rest are about the abuse/rape of strangers. Even when Jesus mentions Sodom & Gomorrah it's in the context of Israel treating his disciples poorly. I've heard this argument before, and several times. And what are your thoughts?
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Post by Dirty Santa PaulsLaugh on Feb 20, 2020 3:09:00 GMT
But for many, Christianity is about controlling sex and sexual urges...usually other people’s...and not much else judging by their lack of application of it in their otherwise outward expression. I actually think that for early/earlier civilizations, controlling sex and sexual urges as much as possible was probably a social health concern. We didn't have much protection from, knowledge about, or ways to treat STDs, and because life expectancy was shorter and plenty of babies didn't make it past infancy there was a need for marriage and procreation in a safe-as-possible environment. Promiscuity threatened that on multiple levels, and homosexuality could've just been seen as wasteful since it couldn't produce more human beings. Now we have more humans than we need, we have plenty of ways to protect ourselves sexually and treat any bad stuff that can arise because of it. Exactly. The ancient Hebrews needed healthy, hardy people to survive as a tiny tribe caught between to super powers in Mesopotamian and Egypt.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 20, 2020 8:40:36 GMT
When you defend homosexuality you're defending this, whether you realize it or not. Being gay doesn't mean you are a pedo. Is that why you started this thread, to make the distinction?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 20, 2020 8:41:40 GMT
I've heard this argument before, and several times. And what are your thoughts? My thoughts are that GLAAD would accept and approve of these explanations.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Feb 20, 2020 10:57:38 GMT
And what are your thoughts? My thoughts are that GLAAD would accept and approve of these explanations. Yeah, but I didn't ask about GLAAD, I asked what you thought and why.
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Post by amyghost on Feb 20, 2020 16:36:52 GMT
Heterosexual relationships are natural. Homosexuals ones are not. Since homosexuals cannot reproduce, they must recruit. Sorry, didn't realise I was talking to a fuckwit. Gay bashers are seldom creative about their stupidity.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 20, 2020 18:11:42 GMT
My thoughts are that GLAAD would accept and approve of these explanations. Yeah, but I didn't ask about GLAAD, I asked what you thought and why. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought it would be clear. I think it's junk. It's a modern pro-gay spin on the Bible, and a desperate one at that.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 21, 2020 0:57:59 GMT
He knows everything in my heart. I have no need to remind him of anything. He will hopefully see my dedication to Jesus's commandment to love everyone, and not judge others. A sodomite is a sodomite. It's not judging to call something what it is. So calling your ignorance and hatred and anger for what it is, is what it is then. Do you really think that Christ\God would be welcoming of your attitude?
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Post by buckyv2 on Feb 21, 2020 1:00:28 GMT
Being gay doesn't mean you are a pedo. Is that why you started this thread, to make the distinction? Personally I think NAMBLA is a disgusting organization. Like most people, I think having an age of consent is an excellent idea. People who are molested by adults as a kid are often traumatized for decades afterward. That includes same or opposite sex incidents. Being gay (or straight) doesn't make you more or less of a pedo. What I was trying to mention was that NAMBLA doesn't have a whole lot of actual members. Just a lot of loner vigilante wannabees who have superhero complexes who think they are going to save the world catching pedos.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 21, 2020 1:02:20 GMT
Being gay doesn't mean you are a pedo. Is that why you started this thread, to make the distinction? You just jumped at any opportunity you saw to make the distinction. Please define sodomite too erj if you please?
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Feb 21, 2020 2:45:00 GMT
Yeah, but I didn't ask about GLAAD, I asked what you thought and why. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought it would be clear. I think it's junk. It's a modern pro-gay spin on the Bible, and a desperate one at that. OK, but why do you think that? You do realize it's a fact that the other references to it in The Bible are mostly about hospitality, and none mention homosexuality, yes? What do you make of that fact? What makes you think that the homosexual interpretation isn't, in itself, a later "spin" put on it?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 21, 2020 9:02:36 GMT
Oh, I'm sorry. I thought it would be clear. I think it's junk. It's a modern pro-gay spin on the Bible, and a desperate one at that. OK, but why do you think that? You do realize it's a fact that the other references to it in The Bible are mostly about hospitality, and none mention homosexuality, yes? What do you make of that fact? What makes you think that the homosexual interpretation isn't, in itself, a later "spin" put on it? I've been over this many times before. The Sodomites demand that Lot send the two strangers out so they can know them. Lot says he has two daughters who have not yet known men and offers to send them out instead. The Sodomites are outraged and accuse Lot of judging them. It isn't difficult at all to figure out what kind of "know" the Sodomites meant.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Feb 22, 2020 1:06:09 GMT
OK, but why do you think that? You do realize it's a fact that the other references to it in The Bible are mostly about hospitality, and none mention homosexuality, yes? What do you make of that fact? What makes you think that the homosexual interpretation isn't, in itself, a later "spin" put on it? It isn't difficult at all to figure out what kind of "know" the Sodomites meant. Yes, but that's not the issue. Why do you think the issue was with the homosexuality rather than with the inhospitality to strangers, or even the idea of non-consensual sex itself? When the sins of Sodom are mentioned elsewhere it's usually in reference to the inhospitality, not usually the sex, and never about the homosexual aspect of it. So there are three possible interpretations (inhospitality, rape, homosexuality), and of those "homosexuality" seems the least likely given the text itself (not to mention that that story, in general, is about hospitality as that's what Lot shows to the angels).
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 22, 2020 1:21:22 GMT
It isn't difficult at all to figure out what kind of "know" the Sodomites meant. Yes, but that's not the issue. Why do you think the issue was with the homosexuality rather than with the inhospitality to strangers, or even the idea of non-consensual sex itself? When the sins of Sodom are mentioned elsewhere it's usually in reference to the inhospitality, not usually the sex, and never about the homosexual aspect of it. So there are three possible interpretations (inhospitality, rape, homosexuality), and of those "homosexuality" seems the least likely given the text itself (not to mention that that story, in general, is about hospitality as that's what Lot shows to the angels). Let's see. I would say....probably.....because the fate of Sodom was not sealed up until that point. What you're attempting to do is what Skyhawk0 attempted to do once. If you want to believe it you can, but I don't, and in the end perhaps we'll see who was right and who was wrong.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Feb 22, 2020 1:31:52 GMT
Yes, but that's not the issue. Why do you think the issue was with the homosexuality rather than with the inhospitality to strangers, or even the idea of non-consensual sex itself? When the sins of Sodom are mentioned elsewhere it's usually in reference to the inhospitality, not usually the sex, and never about the homosexual aspect of it. So there are three possible interpretations (inhospitality, rape, homosexuality), and of those "homosexuality" seems the least likely given the text itself (not to mention that that story, in general, is about hospitality as that's what Lot shows to the angels). Let's see. I would say....probably.....because the fate of Sodom was not sealed up until that point. What you're attempting to do is what Skyhawk0 attempted to do once. If you want to believe it you can, but I don't, and in the end perhaps we'll see who was right and who was wrong. Up until what point? That the men asked to rape the angels? Again, fine, but was the judgment due to the homosexuality, the intended rape, or being inhospitable to strangers? "Why are you assuming the first" is what I'm asking. I'm less interested in what you/I believe than I am in why you believe it. You haven't really given a compelling reason to interpret that story as being about homosexuality yet.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 22, 2020 1:45:58 GMT
Let's see. I would say....probably.....because the fate of Sodom was not sealed up until that point. What you're attempting to do is what Skyhawk0 attempted to do once. If you want to believe it you can, but I don't, and in the end perhaps we'll see who was right and who was wrong. Up until what point? That the men asked to rape the angels? Again, fine, but was the judgment due to the homosexuality, the intended rape, or being inhospitable to strangers? "Why are you assuming the first" is what I'm asking. I'm less interested in what you/I believe than I am in why you believe it. You haven't really given a compelling reason to interpret that story as being about homosexuality yet. They all go together, and there is nothing that will give you a compelling argument, which is why I don't try. Once again, Lot offered to send out his two virgin daughters to placate the Sodomites, but the Sodomites wanted the two men, and they were offended and saw it as a moral judgment of their ways, and they threatened to do worse to Lot than to the two strangers. This is significant I believe. Of course it could have been many other things, but in their case it was their homosexual lust which did them in. Homosexuality isn't mentioned by name, but it doesn't have to be. The whole story is there.
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