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Post by NJtoTX on Feb 17, 2020 16:59:08 GMT
Vote for up to 3.
The Astros organization received the maximum financial penalty allowed under MLB rules ($5 million) and forfeited their first- and second-round draft picks in 2020 and 2021. Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch were suspended one year by MLB before Astros owner Jim Crane fired both men.
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Post by tristramshandy on Feb 17, 2020 17:01:30 GMT
Beanballs, spikes high, running over the catcher, stepping on the first baseman's leg on groundouts, etc.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Feb 17, 2020 17:01:41 GMT
MLB should make them wear all yellow uniforms with no name or number on the back of them.
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Post by NJtoTX on Feb 17, 2020 17:04:09 GMT
Beanballs, spikes high, running over the catcher, stepping on the first baseman's leg on groundouts, etc. No handshakes, insane booing at other stadiums, backs turned, chants of Astros cheaters, piped in buzzer sounds when a pitcher throws, etc.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Feb 17, 2020 17:21:04 GMT
There's no precedence for any of it. Even though sign stealing is illegal, there's no provisions for stripping anything from Houston. MLB needs to put punishments in to stop anyone from even thinking this in the future.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 17, 2020 17:21:43 GMT
They have to play their home games in Tampa.
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Post by NJtoTX on Feb 17, 2020 17:42:03 GMT
MESA, Ariz. -- Add Chicago Cubs righty Yu Darvish to the list of those who believe the Houston Astros should be stripped of their 2017 World Series title.
"It's like the Olympics," Darvish said from Cubs camp Sunday. "When a player cheats, you can't have a gold medal, right? But they still have a World Series title. It [feels] weird."
Pitching for the Los Angeles Dodgers in that World Series, Darvish previously said he doubted himself after getting rocked in Games 3 and 7. At first, he was told he was the one tipping his pitches, but he now wonders whether the Astros stole the signs.
"Was I tipping, or were they stealing?" Darvish asked last month.
On Sunday, he said that he wasn't angry but that he felt for opposing pitchers who lost their jobs because of the Astros scandal, while telling Houston players it might be better to be quiet right now.
"So they cheat, I think they shouldn't talk right now," Darvish said referencing Carlos Correa's comments about Cody Bellinger. "Some people lost their job. They have to show more apology. I don't feel anything from those guys."
Darvish compiled a 21.60 ERA over his two games pitched before going to free agency after the 2017 season. He ended up signing a six-year, $126 million contract with the Cubs, who admitted they might have taken advantage of other teams being scared off after his World Series performance.
"I know they were stealing signs, but at the same time, I was not good during the World Series," Darvish said. "I'm better for what I went through. But, yeah, everyone is wondering about [their numbers] pitching against them."
Darvish is the latest in a long line of players to criticize the Astros after it was revealed they were stealing signs electronically in 2017. No players were punished in the scandal, and Houston's apologies have been widely criticized, as well.
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Post by NewtJorden on Feb 17, 2020 18:00:23 GMT
Vote for up to 3. The Astros organization received the maximum financial penalty allowed under MLB rules ($5 million) and forfeited their first- and second-round draft picks in 2020 and 2021. Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch were suspended one year by MLB before Astros owner Jim Crane fired both men. I personally think thats enough. I find it rather funny that every team and players are acting as if its the first time in MLB history that a team cheat on something.
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Post by tristramshandy on Feb 17, 2020 18:20:29 GMT
MESA, Ariz. -- Add Chicago Cubs righty Yu Darvish to the list of those who believe the Houston Astros should be stripped of their 2017 World Series title. "It's like the Olympics," Darvish said from Cubs camp Sunday. "When a player cheats, you can't have a gold medal, right? But they still have a World Series title. It [feels] weird." Pitching for the Los Angeles Dodgers in that World Series, Darvish previously said he doubted himself after getting rocked in Games 3 and 7. At first, he was told he was the one tipping his pitches, but he now wonders whether the Astros stole the signs. "Was I tipping, or were they stealing?" Darvish asked last month. On Sunday, he said that he wasn't angry but that he felt for opposing pitchers who lost their jobs because of the Astros scandal, while telling Houston players it might be better to be quiet right now. "So they cheat, I think they shouldn't talk right now," Darvish said referencing Carlos Correa's comments about Cody Bellinger. "Some people lost their job. They have to show more apology. I don't feel anything from those guys." Darvish compiled a 21.60 ERA over his two games pitched before going to free agency after the 2017 season. He ended up signing a six-year, $126 million contract with the Cubs, who admitted they might have taken advantage of other teams being scared off after his World Series performance. "I know they were stealing signs, but at the same time, I was not good during the World Series," Darvish said. "I'm better for what I went through. But, yeah, everyone is wondering about [their numbers] pitching against them." Darvish is the latest in a long line of players to criticize the Astros after it was revealed they were stealing signs electronically in 2017. No players were punished in the scandal, and Houston's apologies have been widely criticized, as well. Darvish has the most reason to complain out of everybody. In the days immediately after the World Series, they claimed he was "tipping his pitches". Riiigghhttt . . .
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Feb 17, 2020 18:25:24 GMT
I have a question.
If this sign stealing was so devastating (ask Darvish), why did the Astros need 7 games to beat the Dodgers. Seven to beat the Yankees?
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Post by millar70 on Feb 17, 2020 18:46:27 GMT
Make them play the field without wearing gloves for the whole season.
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Post by NJtoTX on Feb 17, 2020 20:34:54 GMT
I have a question. If this sign stealing was so devastating (ask Darvish), why did the Astros need 7 games to beat the Dodgers. Seven to beat the Yankees? Against the Red Sox, they were 2-0 at home and 1-1 away at Fenway. Against the Yankees, they were 4-0 at home and 0-3 away at Yankee Stadium. Against the Dodgers, they were 2-1 at home and 2-2 at Dodger Stadium. 8-1 at home is pretty close to perfect. 5.7 runs per game with 18 home runs. 3-6 on the road, 3.0 runs per game with 9 home runs .
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Post by millar70 on Feb 17, 2020 22:11:26 GMT
I have a question. If this sign stealing was so devastating (ask Darvish), why did the Astros need 7 games to beat the Dodgers. Seven to beat the Yankees? Against the Red Sox, they were 2-0 at home and 1-1 away at Fenway. Against the Yankees, they were 4-0 at home and 0-3 away at Yankee Stadium. Against the Dodgers, they were 2-1 at home and 2-2 at Dodger Stadium. 8-1 at home is pretty close to perfect. 5.7 runs per game with 18 home runs. 3-6 on the road, 3.0 runs per game with 9 home runs . Interestingly enough, the Red Sox beat the Astros 3 straight games in Houston in the 2018 ALCS. Were the Sox cheating "better" than the Astros, or were Cora's Sox just totally aware of what the Astros were doing and were able to use it against them? I was so proud of the Red Sox winning those 3 games in Houston, maybe the greatest road games in Sox history. Of course, now I have no idea how to feel about any of this crap. |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Feb 17, 2020 22:23:31 GMT
Vote for up to 3. The Astros organization received the maximum financial penalty allowed under MLB rules ($5 million) and forfeited their first- and second-round draft picks in 2020 and 2021. Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch were suspended one year by MLB before Astros owner Jim Crane fired both men. The Astros mascot Orbit must travel to all road games with the team.
And on the opposing teams home playing field - the mascot gets the living sh*t beaten out of it every 7th inning stretch.
Say for instance they visit Philly - the Phillie Phanatic straps/chains it to it's ATV and drags it all over the field - could make it a family affair - kids in the stands win tickets during the game to throw pies at it as the Phanatic is dragging it's corpse all over the field.
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Post by Winston Wolfe on Feb 17, 2020 22:46:56 GMT
Chose the first three. Vacate the title, returns the rings, miss this postseason. Or like this thread, where they get kicked out of the league and pay a massive fine. |
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Post by twothousandonemark on Feb 18, 2020 1:37:44 GMT
Don't worry, Manfred's got this.
10 game suspensions for throwing at the World Series cheaters who were never suspended.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Feb 18, 2020 1:38:29 GMT
They have to play their home games in Tampa. They have to play their home games in Los Angeles, New York, & Boston. They like garbage cans, those fans will buy them new ones & politely gift them from the stands.
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Post by msdemos on Feb 18, 2020 1:54:10 GMT
Nuke 'em......unless they REALLY apologize (or better yet, how about donating all those 2017 playoff checks to charity!!)......   SAVE FERRIS
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Post by bluerisk on Feb 18, 2020 3:47:37 GMT
The championship should be revoked.
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And the team should be banned for two season from the post season.(?)
And it should be banned from signing new players for two seasons.(?)
But is a fair punishment also in the interest of the league overall?
The latter two would skew the competition - especially within the division.
If a club like ManCity is banned for two years etc. pp. it would affect the league with 20 teams less then a division with four teams (and one, if not two play off berths => wild cards).
Imagine the Rams got punished in that way; it would be like a free ticket for the 49ers and Seahawkes.
So maybe, just maybe, some adjustment might be necessary.
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