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Post by movieliker on Mar 24, 2020 19:38:19 GMT
Cam Newton officially cut by the Panthers. Where does he end up? Chargers? Broncos? Jaguars? Patriots? I think it would be very interesting if Cam wound up with the Pats, it would be fun to watch how he would do with them. I think there is a chance he goes there. I don’t see him going to the Broncos, I think they’ve found their franchise QB of the future with Lock. The Jags seem to be rolling with Minshew for now, and the Chargers don’t seem interested for whatever reason even though they need a QB, I’m starting to think they are just going to go with Tyrod Taylor this season. What about the Dolphins? They need a QB and while I think they will take Tua or Herbert in the draft, I wonder if they could sign Cam to be their starter for now? I can't see Belichick putting up with Cam Newton. |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Mar 24, 2020 19:59:22 GMT
I think it would be very interesting if Cam wound up with the Pats, it would be fun to watch how he would do with them. I think there is a chance he goes there. I don’t see him going to the Broncos, I think they’ve found their franchise QB of the future with Lock. The Jags seem to be rolling with Minshew for now, and the Chargers don’t seem interested for whatever reason even though they need a QB, I’m starting to think they are just going to go with Tyrod Taylor this season. What about the Dolphins? They need a QB and while I think they will take Tua or Herbert in the draft, I wonder if they could sign Cam to be their starter for now? I can't see Belichick putting up with Cam Newton. Didn't he give Josh Gordon, Randy Moss and Antonio Brown a shot - Gronk was kind of a giant goof too.
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Post by movieliker on Mar 24, 2020 20:01:22 GMT
I can't see Belichick putting up with Cam Newton. Didn't he give Josh Gordon, Randy Moss and Antonio Brown a shot - Gronk was kind of a giant goof too. Yep, and it seems none of those guys lasted very long. |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Mar 24, 2020 20:04:23 GMT
Didn't he give Josh Gordon, Randy Moss and Antonio Brown a shot - Gronk was kind of a giant goof too. Yep, and it seems none of those guys lasted very long. I thought Moss played like 3 years there - had to play at least 2, no?
And wasn't Gronk around for like a little under a decade?
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Post by movieliker on Mar 24, 2020 20:24:41 GMT
Yep, and it seems none of those guys lasted very long. I thought Moss played like 3 years there - had to play at least 2, no?
And wasn't Gronk around for like a little under a decade? My understanding is, all of Gronk's problems were off the field. And they were inconspicuous until they exploded towards the end. I don't know, Moss might be the exception. Living in New Orleans, I really never had much of a feeling for the Patriots other than admiring their success. My point being, most of those problem children haven't worked out for the Pats. (Randy Moss's son was a big LSU star tight end. And I've heard nothing bad about his father's support of his son, or the Bayou Bengals. Maybe he was never the disrupter the others were.) |
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Post by NJtoTX on Mar 24, 2020 23:10:55 GMT
Apparently ESPN does not allow Kiper and McShea to include trades in mock drafts.
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Post by tristramshandy on Mar 25, 2020 2:10:41 GMT
I think it would be very interesting if Cam wound up with the Pats, it would be fun to watch how he would do with them. I think there is a chance he goes there. I don’t see him going to the Broncos, I think they’ve found their franchise QB of the future with Lock. The Jags seem to be rolling with Minshew for now, and the Chargers don’t seem interested for whatever reason even though they need a QB, I’m starting to think they are just going to go with Tyrod Taylor this season. What about the Dolphins? They need a QB and while I think they will take Tua or Herbert in the draft, I wonder if they could sign Cam to be their starter for now? I can't see Belichick putting up with Cam Newton. I've heard the following with the Patriots: They are not going to sign any really good quarterbacks this year. They are not going to sign any great free agents (not that many are left). By doing so, they'll get a bunch of comp picks for 2021 (for Brady, Collins, Van Noy, etc). They'll also trade a bunch of draft picks this year for 2021 draft picks. All told, maybe they end up with 15 draft picks next year. Maybe they go 6-10 or so next year because Brian Hoyer or Jarrett Stidham starts at QB. So they are sitting around 9-14 in the 2021 draft. They hope somebody like the Bengals or Dolphins have a lousy year after drafting Burrow and Tua. They don't need a QB. New England then says "we'll trade you seven picks for your #1" They end up getting Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 2:18:57 GMT
Mentioned before that the Cam release was coming because without physicals there is no way of knowing where he is health wise. Draft choices are too precious to trade in such a gamble. Plus you'd take on his salary.
A smart team will sign him on the cheap to a 1 year deal and let him heal himself up in a backup type of role and when he's healthy get some playing time to ensure people of that health. Then let him hit free agency next year and get paid a big enough contract and said teams gets a pretty nice compensation pick out of it.
Smart teams that immediately come to mind are the Patriots, Packers, Ravens, Steelers.
I think it's a long shot for GB to do it. This seems like a prime Patriots type of move. Cam could be an ideal back up for Lamar in Baltimore for a year. I do think the Steelers make the most sense though. You can't count on Ben to be healthy all season and when he goes down they are screwed at QB. Let Cam backup Ben until the eventual time Ben gets hurt and let Cam go right in there and prove whether or not he's still got it. If so it helps them win now and then the Steelers can decide if he's your next QB after Ben or let him leave in FA and get that comp pick.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Mar 25, 2020 2:38:00 GMT
I do not want Cam Newton on the Patriots.
What a fall of glory. He was primed to be the next face of the entire league, until he & his Panthers muffed their SB against Papa John's noodle arm.
Maybe he goes to the Chargers, Jaguars, or even Washington.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Mar 25, 2020 2:41:53 GMT
I can't see Belichick putting up with Cam Newton. I've heard the following with the Patriots: They are not going to sign any really good quarterbacks this year. They are not going to sign any great free agents (not that many are left). By doing so, they'll get a bunch of comp picks for 2021 (for Brady, Collins, Van Noy, etc). They'll also trade a bunch of draft picks this year for 2021 draft picks. All told, maybe they end up with 15 draft picks next year. Maybe they go 6-10 or so next year because Brian Hoyer or Jarrett Stidham starts at QB. So they are sitting around 9-14 in the 2021 draft. They hope somebody like the Bengals or Dolphins have a lousy year after drafting Burrow and Tua. They don't need a QB. New England then says "we'll trade you seven picks for your #1" They end up getting Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields. I know that sounds funny, & yet that's exactly what Belichick would do for one last unique run of his own ilk. He could draft all over the board & get a new bunch fresh ready to go.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 25, 2020 12:25:19 GMT
I've heard the following with the Patriots: They are not going to sign any really good quarterbacks this year. They are not going to sign any great free agents (not that many are left). By doing so, they'll get a bunch of comp picks for 2021 (for Brady, Collins, Van Noy, etc). They'll also trade a bunch of draft picks this year for 2021 draft picks. All told, maybe they end up with 15 draft picks next year. Maybe they go 6-10 or so next year because Brian Hoyer or Jarrett Stidham starts at QB. So they are sitting around 9-14 in the 2021 draft. They hope somebody like the Bengals or Dolphins have a lousy year after drafting Burrow and Tua. They don't need a QB. New England then says "we'll trade you seven picks for your #1" They end up getting Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields. I know that sounds funny, & yet that's exactly what Belichick would do for one last unique run of his own ilk. He could draft all over the board & get a new bunch fresh ready to go. You're forgetting he has a spotty draft record.
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Post by sdm3 on Mar 25, 2020 13:08:13 GMT
I know that sounds funny, & yet that's exactly what Belichick would do for one last unique run of his own ilk. He could draft all over the board & get a new bunch fresh ready to go. You're forgetting he has a spotty draft record. Then again, he’s usually picking (first round at least) between 28 and 32. If he had a top 5 pick he’d probably get it right more often than not... |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 25, 2020 13:43:09 GMT
You're forgetting he has a spotty draft record. Then again, he’s usually picking (first round at least) between 28 and 32. If he had a top 5 pick he’d probably get it right more often than not... I'm not shitting on BB today. The NFL is a total crapshoot and I like any executive's chances of getting it right with a ton of picks instead of trying to hit a home run with one top ten pick. We both know Belichick would trade down, anyway. Can I take time out to remind people I don't think Belichick is a total hack? I only think the defense is consistently overrated (since 2005-06ish, anyway), as is his impact on winning as compared to Brady's presence. I still agree with Belichick's overall team building philosophy; don't put all your eggs in one basket, value player versatility over greatness at one particular aspect, don't overpay for one guy when a group of 'lesser' players can still do a passable job. (We're about to find out if that philosophy even works without an all time great QB, but I don't disagree with it in theory.) Don't overpay for past performance. I don't even disagree with his stance on Brady, I just wish he wasn't a dick about it. What happens if you give Brady a ton of money and he really has gone off the cliff? It's uncharted territory, and the league is moving toward mobile QBs. I respect walking away from a 43 year old QB, but the way it went down was a slap in the face to Brady. Belichick also deserves credit for letting Brady loose on the league instead of trying to use him as a game manager. Once the Colts whined about being manhandled by the Patriots and the NFL changed the rules to help them, he saw where the league was going. He let the offense become the focal point of the team and Brady put up video game numbers for years. He's always willing to reevaluate what works toward winning; so was Brady, which is why they did so much of it. Belichick had the balls to stick with Brady over Bledsoe. He drafted Gronk despite his injury history. He drafted Edelman, Hightower, Mayo, Mankins, McCourty, etc. He can find good players; the question is can he get them to buy in without Brady? All that said, I don't love Trevor Lawrence. It seems like he makes a lot of bad reads but gets away with it because the talent around him is so great. I don't see Belichick making a wild trade for a #1 pick (and as much as I think he's overrated, I really don't expect us to be literally the worst team in the league next year), so I don't think it matters. I just want us to be competitive. You're not going to get two GOATs in a row, so I don't see titles anytime soon. Just be competitive. I don't want to go back to what we were in most of the 80s and early 90s (or you know, Belichick's first season + the first two weeks of 2001 with New England).
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Post by onethreetwo on Mar 25, 2020 15:24:11 GMT
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Post by twothousandonemark on Mar 25, 2020 19:03:59 GMT
Then again, he’s usually picking (first round at least) between 28 and 32. If he had a top 5 pick he’d probably get it right more often than not... Can I take time out to remind people I don't think Belichick is a total hack? I only think the defense is consistently overrated (since 2005-06ish, anyway), as is his impact on winning as compared to Brady's presence. Brady did give them 500+ throwing yards against the Eagles, and lost. Belichick ground the focus back on the D, & embarrassed the Rams 13-3 for their ring #6. To that point, I think both have about equal share in the dynasty. Belichick not really having to worry about the offense, other than making sure running backs are frequently involved for pace & rhythm, has gone hand in hand with Brady's mastery of what works with Josh.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 25, 2020 20:14:20 GMT
Can I take time out to remind people I don't think Belichick is a total hack? I only think the defense is consistently overrated (since 2005-06ish, anyway), as is his impact on winning as compared to Brady's presence. Brady did give them 500+ throwing yards against the Eagles, and lost. Belichick ground the focus back on the D, & embarrassed the Rams 13-3 for their ring #6. To that point, I think both have about equal share in the dynasty. Belichick not really having to worry about the offense, other than making sure running backs are frequently involved for pace & rhythm, has gone hand in hand with Brady's mastery of what works with Josh. Did he though? The defense got lit up by the Chargers and the Chiefs in the playoffs that season, both games were high scoring affairs. They only won the AFC championship because they won the coin toss going into OT. I'd point to SB 36 for Belichick's defensive mastery rather than SB 53. Goff choked, Gurley clearly couldn't play (and hasn't been the same player since), and McVay didn't have a plan B. It's the weirdest Super Bowl ever, not at all indicative of either team's playing style or capabilities-- not only for the rest of that season, but the games directly leading up to the Super Bowl. Brady wasn't great in 53 but he wasn't Manning SB 50 level terrible. He threw one pick with his first throw, the rest of the time they moved the ball but couldn't score. I used to think it was 50/50, but SBs 51 and 52 really got me thinking. Belichick was outcoached in 52, and for almost three quarters of 51. The only thing that kept Atlanta from winning that Super Bowl was the Falcons coaches being too stupid to run the clock out and Brady switching on God Mode. Brady shouldn't have to throw for 500 yards or come back from down 25 points (ok, the D gets the blame for 21 points since there was a pick six in there) to compete for titles if his coach is holding up his end of the bargain. And I can't stress this enough, the Patriots brought the lowest ranked Defense in Super Bowl history to SB 46 and still almost won the title. The Defense not only gave up the lead in the late stages of that game, they were downright terrible the entire year. I'm not sure what Belichick contributed that season yet they still almost won another title. I don't want to get into more anecdotal evidence because it wasn't my intention to rip BB today. I'm only questioning the popular belief that I myself used to hold, that it's equal parts Brady and Bill.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Mar 25, 2020 20:18:17 GMT
Brady did give them 500+ throwing yards against the Eagles, and lost. Belichick ground the focus back on the D, & embarrassed the Rams 13-3 for their ring #6. To that point, I think both have about equal share in the dynasty. Belichick not really having to worry about the offense, other than making sure running backs are frequently involved for pace & rhythm, has gone hand in hand with Brady's mastery of what works with Josh. Did he though? The defense got lit up by the Chargers and the Chiefs in the playoffs that season, both games were high scoring affairs. They only won the AFC championship because they won the coin toss going into OT. Always makes me laugh, as if 14-0 lead at halftime in Arrowhead was an asterisk.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 25, 2020 20:27:39 GMT
Did he though? The defense got lit up by the Chargers and the Chiefs in the playoffs that season, both games were high scoring affairs. They only won the AFC championship because they won the coin toss going into OT. Always makes me laugh, as if 14-0 lead at halftime in Arrowhead was an asterisk. *Shrugs* You don't win games in the first half. I don't know in what universe giving up 24 points in the 4th qtr could be considered a good defensive performance. Anyway they won, and now we get to find out how good Belichick is. All we can do is hope for the best.
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Post by NJtoTX on Mar 25, 2020 20:38:55 GMT
He may end up playing 21 or more games this year.
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Post by sdm3 on Mar 25, 2020 22:37:55 GMT
Philly’s secondary was a great source of amusement last season, but they may have fixed it with Darius Slay and Robey-Coleman.
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