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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 19:15:53 GMT
There are aspects of puppetry (e.g. Jim Henson) that I prefer. The designs, the real textures, there is something about hand made creatures designed by the hands of a real person that look amazing on screen.
Then CGI has that ablity to make things move fluid. The mouths, the eyes, the body movements, they are perfect.
However, why doesn't Hollywood blend both?
Why not make real creatures, then CGI details to make them look more realistic? Add some slimy scales to a reptile, or move them lips and mouth region with cgi on a physical puppet face? Etc...
For example. I would LOVE to see a "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" movie with the same costumes from TMNT (1990) and just do that cgi magic touch up, where you add a layer of slimy sweat or make their mouths move properly, or add depth/details to their skin etc... Blending is perfect.
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Post by Archelaus on Feb 25, 2020 19:24:33 GMT
It's called "animatronics" and there's another technique called "digital puppetry". It's mostly used in theme parks nowadays. Jurassic Park used a blend of the two techniques, which is why it holds up well today. There's also a Netflix series titled The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance which uses both techniques.
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Post by politicidal on Feb 25, 2020 19:25:51 GMT
It's called "animatronics" and there's another technique called "digital puppetry". It's mostly used in theme parks nowadays. Jurassic Park used a blend of the two techniques, which is why it holds up well today. There's also a Netflix series titled The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance which uses both techniques. Jurassic Park is still the gold standard for me. It's amazing how much it held up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 21:32:04 GMT
It's called "animatronics" and there's another technique called "digital puppetry". It's mostly used in theme parks nowadays. Jurassic Park used a blend of the two techniques, which is why it holds up well today. There's also a Netflix series titled The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance which uses both techniques. Jurassic Park is still the gold standard for me. It's amazing how much it held up. This ... Why can't films replicate this?
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Post by PreachCaleb on Feb 25, 2020 21:41:01 GMT
There are aspects of puppetry (e.g. Jim Henson) that I prefer. The designs, the real textures, there is something about hand made creatures designed by the hands of a real person that look amazing on screen. Then CGI has that ablity to make things move fluid. The mouths, the eyes, the body movements, they are perfect. However, why doesn't Hollywood blend both? Why not make real creatures, then CGI details to make them look more realistic? Add some slimy scales to a reptile, or move them lips and mouth region with cgi on a physical puppet face? Etc... For example. I would LOVE to see a "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" movie with the same costumes from TMNT (1990) and just do that cgi magic touch up, where you add a layer of slimy sweat or make their mouths move properly, or add depth/details to their skin etc... Blending is perfect. Guillermo Del Toro does that perfectly with his movies. The fawn and Paleman from Pan's Labyrinth are two excellent examples.
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Post by jamesbamesy on Feb 25, 2020 22:08:01 GMT
A mixture of those with Yoda would be tremendous.
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Post by johnspartan on Feb 25, 2020 22:30:16 GMT
A mixture of those with Yoda would be tremendous. Baby Yoda in The Mandalorian is a mixture and looks great.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 25, 2020 22:45:50 GMT
This ... Why can't films replicate this? Because it requires giving creative freedom to those who are experts in the field. And modern movie production is micro-managed. They prefer having everything done by computer and triple-checked in board rooms.
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Post by ck100 on Feb 25, 2020 23:13:05 GMT
Terminator 2 and Jurassic Park had a good mix. A lot of credit goes to Stan Winston.
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Post by Catman 猫的主人 on Feb 25, 2020 23:22:27 GMT
Much of the puppetry in The Dark Crystal was downright cringe-worthy. That didn't stop it from being an enjoyable experience for Catman.
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Post by paislene on Feb 26, 2020 0:00:53 GMT
Much of the puppetry in The Dark Crystal was downright cringe-worthy. That didn't stop it from being an enjoyable experience for Catman. The Dark Crystal (1982) is endearing , but the sequel series Age of Resistance (2019) improves the puppetry , animatronics and cgi as Archelaus says . The producers went to great care to keep the integrity of the overall look and feel of the original movie . But a warning: the story is quite dark and adult , and is not for children . I was impressed , and there is an hour long documentary at the end of the series about the making of the show .
Henson were also involved in the making of Labyrinth (1986) and Farscape . (I believe Labyrinth has recently been remastered to Blu-ray).
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Post by jamesbamesy on Feb 26, 2020 0:03:03 GMT
A mixture of those with Yoda would be tremendous. Baby Yoda in The Mandalorian is a mixture and looks great. Thanks for letting me know.
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Post by Archelaus on Feb 26, 2020 3:07:25 GMT
Jurassic Park is still the gold standard for me. It's amazing how much it held up. This ... Why can't films replicate this? It's because when the cost adds up, production studios find that CGI is more flexible and cost-efficient than producing animatronics. Also, some visual effects tend to be left unfinished because of a hectic post-production schedule which is probably why some CGI effects don't look as real as they should.
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