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Post by drystyx on Feb 27, 2020 19:24:55 GMT
It's an airborne virus, fairly easy to spread, and it is a virus, which makes it very formidable.
So is it inevitable that some day it will be everywhere except maybe Antarctica?
In which case, if that takes 50 years from now, if you're 25 now, you would be 75 when it would inevitably find you.
Is it possible to control the spread of a virus like this?
I don't want to frighten anyone, but the fact is that viruses are generally something we have to learn to live with. A 2% mortality rate is very scary, though. That's very high. Not to mention that also means other significant problems for probably 25% or 50% or even 75% of those who don't die.
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Post by Catman on Feb 27, 2020 19:31:19 GMT
Why wouldn't it be in Antarctica?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 19:31:19 GMT
Is it possible to control the spread of a virus like this? Yes. |
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Post by politicidal on Feb 27, 2020 20:37:14 GMT
It's in God's hands. Let us pray on it.  |
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Post by Catman on Feb 27, 2020 22:18:34 GMT
It's in God's hands. Let us pray on it. Does God actually have hands?
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Post by OpiateOfTheMasses on Feb 27, 2020 23:16:52 GMT
Almost certainly not. Three general reasons:
1. It infects loads of people, (most of) them get better and then largely become immune so it basically dies off.
2. Winter/Summer comes along and kills it off/reduces it to a manageable level. Generally viruses don't like extremes in temperature and it's uncommon for illnesses to survive well through both summer and winter - they can generally do well in one but not the other.
3. We develop an immunisation for it.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Mar 2, 2020 17:15:20 GMT
It's an airborne virus, fairly easy to spread, and it is a virus, which makes it very formidable. So is it inevitable that some day it will be everywhere except maybe Antarctica? In which case, if that takes 50 years from now, if you're 25 now, you would be 75 when it would inevitably find you. Is it possible to control the spread of a virus like this? I don't want to frighten anyone, but the fact is that viruses are generally something we have to learn to live with. A 2% mortality rate is very scary, though. That's very high. Not to mention that also means other significant problems for probably 25% or 50% or even 75% of those who don't die. Yup, just like the common cold. And influenza. A 2% death rate is scary? The first outbreak of Ebola virus in Yambuku in the 1970's had a nearly 100% death rate. In the more recent outbreak, that death rate fell, not a lot, but progress has been made by advances in medical science. But if it mutated and went airborne, we very well could have a global pandemic on the scale of the 1918-1919 Influenza pandemic, or the scale of the Bubonic Plague in the middle ages. Current influenza death rates are at .02%, but since influenza is pretty much everywhere, lots of people (total number) die, but it is less lethal than Covid-19 at 2%. Most deaths are in the elderly who have multiple pre-existing health problems and people who are immune-suppressed. In comparison, not that scary. Edit: "Fun" fact about the Bubonic Plague - it spread via flea bites and exchange of body fluids - blood, saliva, et al. Christians, at the time, knew nothing about germs, and believed the Plague was caused by sin, and some groups, called the Flagellants, would travel from small town to small town, ritually beating themselves bloody in penance for their sins and the sins of the residents. Unfortunately, the residents of the town would gather to watch the self-flagellation, which involved blood splatter, infecting them with the Plague. So the Plague was spread by fleas and Flagellants.
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Post by maya55555 on Mar 2, 2020 17:48:23 GMT
Pet dog in Hong Kong in quarantine after testing 'weak positive' for coronavirus
Source:CNN
A pet dog has been placed in quarantine in Hong Kong after it tested a "weak positive" for the novel coronavirus, authorities said.
The dog was handed over to the Hong Kong Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department (AFCD) after its owner was infected with the coronavirus, the department said in a statement.
"We're working with authorities in Hong Kong and scientists in Hong Kong who are testing ... the dog ... to understand these results and to understand where or if the dog was actually infected or if the dog picked this up from a contaminated surface, for example," Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, technical lead of the World Health Organization's Health Emergencies Program, said during a press briefing Friday.
Preliminary tests from the dog's oral, nasal and rectal samples tested a "weak positive" but the "dog does not have any relevant symptoms," the AFCD said in a statement.
"At present, the AFCD does not have evidence that pet animals can be infected with COVID-19 virus or can be a source of infection to people," the statement said.
"The department will conduct close monitoring of the ... dog and collect further samples for testing to confirm if the dog has really been infected with the virus or this is a result of environmental contamination of the dog's mouth and nose."
The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's website said there is "no reason to think that any animals including pets in the United States might be a source of infection with this new coronavirus."
"To date, CDC has not received any reports of pets or other animals becoming sick with COVID-19," the website said. "At this time, there is no evidence that companion animals including pets can be infected with or spread COVID-19."
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Post by drystyx on Mar 5, 2020 18:16:21 GMT
"To date, CDC has not received any reports of pets or other animals becoming sick with COVID-19," the website said. "At this time, there is no evidence that companion animals including pets can be infected with or spread COVID-19." I've heard conflicting reports on that. Too early to know anything, except it's ridiculous to think the U.S. can contain it now.
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Post by maya55555 on Mar 5, 2020 18:28:22 GMT
drystyx
Face it people are slobs!
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Post by drystyx on Apr 5, 2020 16:05:35 GMT
Time to bring this back. Because as I write this, on April 5, 2020, contingencies have to be dealt with if the government department of Health people have IQs over 74.
Scenarios have to be covered.
First of all, scenarios of the way the virus spreads. A scenario where people who have it and recover cannot spread it. One with them capable of being carriers who can spread it. One with the possibility of a latent chemical bit of information that means they fall sick again and this time can't recover.
Second, factors that make it easy or difficult, perhaps even impossible for someone to get it. By air pressure, humidity, temperature, other factors.
Third, by genetic factors of individuals.
Fourth, by ways the virus can spread. We're understanding much of that now. How long it survives on surfaces. For the most part, the virus does best on smooth, non friction surfaces like plastic. This also includes how far a virus travels by wind, and does it float well up to people living in second and third story apartments?
Fifth, the percentage of individuals who are positive, who are negative, and who already had it and are immune.
That's why we need a scenario to deal with each scenario now. If 90% of the population of the U.S. are carriers, then quite obviously, those 90% will be called back to work, and the 10% will be under quarantine for their own good. Landlords may even be given incentives to move people to other apartments and homes, maybe even other towns.
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Post by drystyx on Jul 11, 2020 23:39:17 GMT
And I'm still not convinced it just "leaves". Knowing about Anatomy and Physics in college, the three dimensional jigsaw puzzle of anti bodies may meet a character that molds out of its shape to avoid such stoppage of its growth, and may continue on into a carrier's life.
Meaning that if covid 19 is this "new character", it may not stop, even if you think it does, and a year later, the patient gets it again and does die.
So, that would mean there is a need to stop it, if it is manmade, or a "new character".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 19:59:35 GMT
We are all doomed.
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Post by mikef6 on Jul 18, 2020 5:09:52 GMT
For those who said, "I would rather die than vote for Hillary" - well, here we are.
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Post by drystyx on Oct 17, 2020 16:17:15 GMT
Posted this in February, and there's still no definitive answer. Scientific consensus, at least the one out for the public, is to keep the flow minimal and not overflow hospitals at one time. Not sure I believe that is the real reason. Not sure of anything. I don't think I'm alone on that. Being Socratic, questioning everything, not knowing anything for sure.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Oct 17, 2020 17:34:42 GMT
Posted this in February, and there's still no definitive answer. Scientific consensus, at least the one out for the public, is to keep the flow minimal and not overflow hospitals at one time. Not sure I believe that is the real reason. Not sure of anything. I don't think I'm alone on that. Being Socratic, questioning everything, not knowing anything for sure. You might want to read about CCR5-Delta 32: The history of it, and that now it provides resistance to AIDS in a small percentage of the population. Interesting read: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCR5It may be years or decades until we truly understand SARS-CoV-2.
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Post by Arlon10 on Oct 18, 2020 6:59:07 GMT
Posted this in February, and there's still no definitive answer. Scientific consensus, at least the one out for the public, is to keep the flow minimal and not overflow hospitals at one time. Not sure I believe that is the real reason. Not sure of anything. I don't think I'm alone on that. Being Socratic, questioning everything, not knowing anything for sure. You might want to read about CCR5-Delta 32: The history of it, and that now it provides resistance to AIDS in a small percentage of the population. Interesting read: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCR5It may be years or decades until we truly understand SARS-CoV-2. It might be years or decades before "science" understands marijuana is bad too.
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Post by Arlon10 on Oct 18, 2020 11:45:39 GMT
It might be years or decades before "science" understands marijuana is bad too. If smoked yes, but how is it bad as a medicinal herb? I'm referring to these problems experienced by those who use marijuana - great difficulty processing large quantities of text
- loss of interest in anything but base drives
I am not certain how various methods of "taking" marijuana might improve anything. I would note that smoking it is legal in many states and spreading while "science" appears oblivious. In formal debates where I participated many years before it was legalized, the proponents of legalized marijuana did not argue against those obvious harms1 but instead argued that marijuana being illegal created revenue for criminal endeavors and that was worse. My own opinion is that criminal endeavors can be better restrained by other means than giving in to them.
Of course if too many people do not understand things are wicked, attempts to pass laws against them are not likely to be effective. That's the problem with Trump's followers. Their only argument is "because we have the most guns," like that can prevent whimsical abortions. They do not even oppose marijuana use and that should tell you something.
1At the time there was no medical "science" to recommend marijuana. There still isn't.
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Post by rizdek on Oct 18, 2020 14:40:24 GMT
"To date, CDC has not received any reports of pets or other animals becoming sick with COVID-19," the website said. "At this time, there is no evidence that companion animals including pets can be infected with or spread COVID-19." How does that jibe with this?
Do they mean other animals that are also traditionally considered pets/companion animals?
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Post by Arlon10 on Oct 18, 2020 14:41:19 GMT
I'm referring to these problems experienced by those who use marijuana - great difficulty processing large quantities of text
- loss of interest in anything but base drives
I am not certain how various methods of "taking" marijuana might improve anything. I would note that smoking it is legal in many states and spreading while "science" appears oblivious. In formal debates where I participated many years before it was legalized, the proponents of legalized marijuana did not argue against those obvious harms1 but instead argued that marijuana being illegal created revenue for criminal endeavors and that was worse. My own opinion is that criminal endeavors can be better restrained by other means than giving in to them.
Of course if too many people do not understand things are wicked, attempts to pass laws against them are not likely to be effective. That's the problem with Trump's followers. Their only argument is "because we have the most guns," like that can prevent whimsical abortions. They do not even oppose marijuana use and that should tell you something.
1At the time there was no medical "science" to recommend marijuana. There still isn't.
It will affect everyone differently Arlon. Do you not think that high level achieving academics like lawyer types wont puff on the occasional joint. Heck, from what I see on t.v and movies, they show them more gravitating towards a few white lines. It is about law reform and not treating something as criminal, which does create more criminal issues, and placing it more in the health and medical spectrum. Everything is a part of the earth and everything has certain properties and qualities associated with it. Even creature venom can be utilized in cures. Alcohol seems like a worse problem, as it is such a big part of our culture.
Anything to do with combustion in the lungs, like smoking cigarettes, can cause serious damage, yet the tobacco in itself isn't the harmful part. It is for the nicotine fix.
You might be surprised how little competence some lawyers and even some medical professionals have. Their weight is carried by the people surrounding them in their employment environment, even lower ranking employees. Success can be sustained in many ways other than competence. Notice especially today how much difference political affiliation can make.
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