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Post by gameboy on Mar 1, 2020 20:44:54 GMT
You're forgetting Ghengis Khan , whose Mongol Empire conquered all of China , and whose
forces spread all the way to Europe .
Or Saladin and his Moorish empire that swept away the Crusaders and took control of Turkey ,
Southern Europe and Spain .
Europeans were responsible for destroying the Aztec Empire and enslaving them , then turned to
the African continent where they introduced widespread slavery .
Eventually the Europeans forcefully dominated continental America , destroying the inhabitants
and enslaving the local Indians to their culture . In context of the discussion Genghis Khan is forgettable. He left little lasting impact on the people he conquered. His religion wasn't embraced by the conquered And he had no system of writing or philosophy or literature to impact future generations. In retrospect he didn't amount to much. As for the Aztecs, neighboring tribes who had been subjugated by them fared much better under the Spanish. And the Spanish ended the bloody human sacrifices of those ignorant Aztec barbarians. And we got the wonderful Mexican culture of today, a harmonic blend of Spanish and indigenous. History is a history of conquests. One people will invade and conquer another. The American Indians did the same to each other. Do you really think an entire hemisphere could be left to stone age tribes of barbarians with no concept of technology, nor written literature, nor human rights?
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Post by paislene on Mar 1, 2020 22:03:03 GMT
I think we're in agreement somewhat , Gameboy . History is surely a story of conquest . And
I'm not disputing Feologild's assertion of european intellect . I was just pointing out that
with the spread of european influence , their hold on that power was maintained by cruelty .
You do underestimate the conquests of the Mongols though . Even today throughout Russia and
right to the Western European borders , there are many Russians with the mongolian features
in their appearance , and many who recount that their ancestry goes back to Ghengis Khan .
This was also the leader who conquered all of China , which is bigger than the USA , and
unified that nation . There are many sites throughout China that hold reminders of that age .
I don't what the Mongol's religion is . Out of interest, I might try and find out about that .
Feologild is talking more about genetics and traits , the difference between races I believe .
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Post by gameboy on Mar 2, 2020 3:48:00 GMT
I think we're in agreement somewhat , Gameboy . History is surely a story of conquest . And
I'm not disputing Feologild's assertion of european intellect . I was just pointing out that
with the spread of european influence , their hold on that power was maintained by cruelty .
You do underestimate the conquests of the Mongols though . Even today throughout Russia and
right to the Western European borders , there are many Russians with the mongolian features
in their appearance , and many who recount that their ancestry goes back to Ghengis Khan .
This was also the leader who conquered all of China , which is bigger than the USA , and
unified that nation . There are many sites throughout China that hold reminders of that age .
I don't what the Mongol's religion is . Out of interest, I might try and find out about that .
Feologild is talking more about genetics and traits , the difference between races I believe .
The Spanish could be brutal. The Aztecs could be brutal. But if you focus only on the brutality of the Europeans, you also ignore the enormous benefits they gave to all the people they conquered. Without exposure to European progressivism, the indigenous Americans would never have had electric lights. And the Chinese would never have had a cure for polio. No one would be living in democratic societies. And you're right. The Mongols left their genetic impact on the Russians and other eastern Europeans. Google a pic of Russian dictator Leonid Brezhnev. That man looked more East Asian than white. But culturally, the Mongols left little behind. This goes to my point about the unrivaled strength of European civilization. I do know the Mongols eventually adopted the same style of Lamaist Buddhism practiced in Tibet. It's a religion I have studied and greatly admire. But at the time of Genghis Khan I do not believe the Mongols had fully embraced Buddhism.
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Post by paislene on Mar 2, 2020 4:49:07 GMT
I believe the Mongols at the time of Ghengis Khan were tribal herders and probably had an oral
mythical belief . The northern chinese kingdom during Genghis Khan's time was oppressing the Mongols ,
and he raised a Mongol rebellion against them , eventually defeating them . Then continued expanding
his influence across Asia and Russia . It was his descendants and Empire after him , that unified China .
Apparently Marco Polo worked closely with the Mongol Empire for many years .
The story of Buddha is certainly an intriguing and amazing journey of religion . I'm also
interested in the Tao , and Confucius too .
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Post by sadsaak on Mar 2, 2020 13:49:13 GMT
You're forgetting Ghengis Khan , whose Mongol Empire conquered all of China , and whose
forces spread all the way to Europe .
Or Saladin and his Moorish empire that swept away the Crusaders and took control of Turkey ,
Southern Europe and Spain .
Europeans were responsible for destroying the Aztec Empire and enslaving them , then turned to
the African continent where they introduced widespread slavery .
Eventually the Europeans forcefully dominated continental America , destroying the inhabitants
and enslaving the local Indians to their culture . To be fair ( and I can't see how I can be because I don't have much idea where this thread is going), the Mongol Empire only lasted for about 160 years and Saladin's fell apart shortly after his death. Comparing the Conquistadors with the Aztecs is like comparing one bucket of crap with another, but the former were just one in a long list of folk who wanted to fettle the latter. If Hernan and his mates had not pitched up the Aztec Empire would probably have fallen to the long list of neighbours who did not like Montezuma and Co.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Mar 5, 2020 15:50:35 GMT
yes I understand. you are right, I shouldnt like a post saing one culture is superrior to other. I do feel badly about it. Nora, don't be bullied by lenlenlen1 . The Aztecs practiced human sacrifice. Western medicine has saved the lives of millions of people. Sorry, Western civilization is superior to Aztec. It's not "ignorant" to say one is superior to the other. And lenlenlenlen couldn't refute a word I said. Its not your words I cant refute. I can totally refute them. Its your attitude and your ignorance that's the problem. With those in the way, there's really no point in getting into it with you.
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