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Post by movieliker on Apr 12, 2020 15:11:21 GMT
The problem with the Coronavirus is not that it's more severe than the flu. But that there is no vaccine. And no medical system was ready for it. I guarantee, if there was no vaccine for the flu, the pandemic caused by the flu would be much worse. And? So it is more severe than the flu in the actual world we live in! Weren't you burbling recently about how only 1% of people could be killed in the UK - that's 670,000 people! Or maybe it was only 250,000. I forget, but come on tae fuck, you're losing the run of yourself. said; "So it is more severe than the flu in the actual world we live in!"This is not what you were saying before. Your changing your tune. And essentially saying I was always correct. |
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Post by sdm3 on Apr 12, 2020 15:12:38 GMT
And? So it is more severe than the flu in the actual world we live in! Weren't you burbling recently about how only 1% of people could be killed in the UK - that's 670,000 people! Or maybe it was only 250,000. I forget, but come on tae fuck, you're losing the run of yourself. said; So it is more severe than the flu in the actual world we live in! This is not what you were saying before. Your changing your tune. And essentially saying I was always correct. Are you still more worried about car crashes than COVID-19? |
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Post by movieliker on Apr 12, 2020 15:15:56 GMT
Carl LaFong said; "So it is more severe than the flu in the actual world we live in!"This is not what you were saying before. Your changing your tune. And essentially saying I was always correct. Are you still more worried about car crashes than COVID-19? Yes |
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Post by Carl LaFong on Apr 12, 2020 15:19:25 GMT
And? So it is more severe than the flu in the actual world we live in! Weren't you burbling recently about how only 1% of people could be killed in the UK - that's 670,000 people! Or maybe it was only 250,000. I forget, but come on tae fuck, you're losing the run of yourself. said; "So it is more severe than the flu in the actual world we live in!"This is not what you were saying before. Your changing your tune. And essentially saying I was always correct. Pish.
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 13, 2020 12:39:26 GMT
As much as I have been concerned for self isolation and imposed/forced isolation of people from before the time deaths really took off, I can't understand many people using bad arguments when talking about deaths in the USA. The moment USA's figures rose above Italy many people made that as a point but that should not be a point. USA is not faring worse than Italy/UK/Belgium the 3 countries with worst death rates. Total number of deaths should not be a measuring criteria because population of countries differ significantly. Death rate or deaths per million of population should be the measuring criteria when comparing nations.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 13, 2020 13:34:57 GMT
Keep telling yourself that. You'd be mincemeat if you came over to one of our hospitals and told one of our nurses that.  The hospitals in our region have no Corona patients. I, and no-one of my family, friends, or co-workers or whatever know of a single person who has or had it. And new articles report that up to 96% of all cases are unreported...and thus the death rate is those of a flu. A friend of mine had a neighbor who died of covid-19 last week. Another friend of mine had 2 family members die of covid-19, though they're over in Iran. This is anecdotal evidence and yes, they were older individuals, but the point is I'm two degrees away from covid deaths in multiple directions; and I don't know what knowing or not knowing anyone who has it proves. Is the media making the whole thing up? Perhaps this will provide some context. A local veteran's hospital in my area (a 277 bed facility) has had 31 confirmed covid-19 deaths. The staff is devastated to lose so many patients in such a short amount of time. If the same thing happens every flu season, why would they be any more devastated than any other flu season? How bad do you think it would be if we weren't following social distancing protocols? Think about it. All the measures we're taking worldwide to manage this thing, yet well over 100,000 have died in a matter of months. How many deaths would there be if we were all going to concerts, theme parks, restaurants and basketball games right now? How many deaths would it take for you to acknowledge this as a serious problem? You're comparing the numbers for covid-19 under social distancing guidelines to regular flu statistics (in which we make no attempt to slow the spread) and suggesting the regular flu is more deadly. It's a false comparison.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 13, 2020 13:36:35 GMT
As much as I have been concerned for self isolation and imposed/forced isolation of people from before the time deaths really took off, I can't understand many people using bad arguments when talking about deaths in the USA. The moment USA's figures rose above Italy many people made that as a point but that should not be a point. USA is not faring worse than Italy/UK/Belgium the 3 countries with worst death rates. Total number of deaths should not be a measuring criteria because population of countries differ significantly. Death rate or deaths per million of population should be the measuring criteria when comparing nations. I've always tracked deaths/1M but the total deaths is the easier to digest number, so that's what people will fixate on.
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 13, 2020 14:22:20 GMT
The hospitals in our region have no Corona patients. I, and no-one of my family, friends, or co-workers or whatever know of a single person who has or had it. And new articles report that up to 96% of all cases are unreported...and thus the death rate is those of a flu. ^ That's a very important point.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 13, 2020 14:25:37 GMT
As much as I have been concerned for self isolation and imposed/forced isolation of people from before the time deaths really took off, I can't understand many people using bad arguments when talking about deaths in the USA. The moment USA's figures rose above Italy many people made that as a point but that should not be a point. USA is not faring worse than Italy/UK/Belgium the 3 countries with worst death rates. Total number of deaths should not be a measuring criteria because population of countries differ significantly. Death rate or deaths per million of population should be the measuring criteria when comparing nations. I've always tracked deaths/1M but the total deaths is the easier to digest number, so that's what people will fixate on. It's another example of the media melodramatizing this. Like when they announce total number of infections to date with ominous music. With no mention of how many of those have recovered. And how many of those will never need to go to the hospital. Yeah, it's bad. But according to the media, they act like it's gonna kill more than 50 percent of the human population. |
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Post by bluerisk on Apr 13, 2020 16:27:28 GMT
You're comparing the numbers for covid-19 under social distancing guidelines to regular flu statistics (in which we make no attempt to slow the spread) and suggesting the regular flu is more deadly. It's a false comparison. ^ That's a very important point. Sweden has no social distancing and their numbers are more or less the same.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Apr 13, 2020 16:36:50 GMT
^ That's a very important point. Sweden has no social distancing and their numbers are more or less the same. Swedes are sensible and the vast majority are practising social distancing voluntarily.
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Post by fjenkins on Apr 13, 2020 21:38:14 GMT
I have to go into my office twice a week to do stuff while we're under stay at home orders, I'm just in for like ten minutes, but there's a Target right down the street and if you get there just after they open they have a lot of toilet paper so I always buy a pack before I go in so now we've got enough to last us like six months. In the area here you can go to stores anytime but everyone is pretty good about keepign a safe distance and wearing masks and gloves. We actually have enough groceries to last a couple weeks or more and I've never had this much food in my house at one time ever. And beer.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 13, 2020 22:53:23 GMT
Governor Cuomo (New York) is quoted as saying today in an address to the public, "The worst is over --- if we continue to practice social distancing and self isolation."
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Post by millar70 on Apr 13, 2020 23:23:54 GMT
I have to go into my office twice a week to do stuff while we're under stay at home orders, I'm just in for like ten minutes, but there's a Target right down the street and if you get there just after they open they have a lot of toilet paper so I always buy a pack before I go in so now we've got enough to last us like six months. In the area here you can go to stores anytime but everyone is pretty good about keepign a safe distance and wearing masks and gloves. We actually have enough groceries to last a couple weeks or more and I've never had this much food in my house at one time ever. And beer. You know, if you're stocked with food and 6 months worth of toilet paper, maybe you can stop buying some. That way, maybe there's more left for everyone else. People hoarding groceries and supplies on a daily basis is one of the biggest pain in the asses about this situation. |
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Post by twothousandonemark on Apr 14, 2020 1:00:06 GMT
This isn't going to be over soon. One major grocery store in my area has now had to temporarily close after a 2nd COVID-19 positive, 2nd time in 3 weeks. Amazon warehouse near Calgary has a positive case, so who knows their plan there.
I do feel less anxious though because it no longer feels like a waiting game to me. This is the new normal for months to come, which actually is starting to feel normal.
I'm still probably not returning to work until July, & the gov't probably doesn't want me to until there's mass testing available. Economy can't re-open if tests aren't widely available to target subsequent cases &/or more importantly asymptomatics.
It's truly insane to re-open the economy only to see more cases unfold without proper curb stomping safety plans. Like a plane load of Chinese returning home from Russia the other day - dozens positive, back into circulation.
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Post by millar70 on Apr 14, 2020 1:15:25 GMT
Even here in the Bay Area, where really they have done a great job of shutting everything down, I'm still seeing groups of young people traveling together. At the store I work at, I've seen more than a few cars pulled up that have 3-5 college kids packed in together. I just saw a group of at least 7 young kids walking down the street together.
Cannot understand this, but I guess the youth shall lead us.....
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Post by movieliker on Apr 14, 2020 1:56:27 GMT
Even here in the Bay Area, where really they have done a great job of shutting everything down, I'm still seeing groups of young people traveling together. At the store I work at, I've seen more than a few cars pulled up that have 3-5 college kids packed in together. I just saw a group of at least 7 young kids walking down the street together. Cannot understand this, but I guess the youth shall lead us..... That seems to be a nationwide (maybe even worldwide) phenomenon. Young kids traditionally feel invincible, and rebellious. |
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 14, 2020 6:33:28 GMT
France extends lockdown till 11th May. India extends lockdown till 3rd May.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 14, 2020 11:53:46 GMT
They said on the news Japan is starting to see an outbreak.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Apr 14, 2020 12:04:00 GMT
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