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Post by Aj_June on Jul 27, 2020 18:31:59 GMT
It's 7 days until decision time in this household. We decided to stay isolated until the first Monday of August and that's only a week away now, man how time has flown! I've been keeping an eye on the statistics and the numbers look pretty good to me, especially in our county. So as long as they don't change in the next 7 days i will be out and about again for the first time since lock down began back in March. I've bought some masks and hand sanitizer so i will be masking up for the first time which is going to seem weird. I'm surprised i've made it this long without needing to wear one. Well...here in my home town lots of known people to us are dying lately. One guy just 33 died 2 days ago. Lots of doctors dying and I am especially worried given both my parents have great chance of contracting the virus. We are not going to see peak for the next 30 days it seems. We had 50,000 new cases in India yesterday.
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Post by sjg on Jul 28, 2020 11:04:08 GMT
It's 7 days until decision time in this household. We decided to stay isolated until the first Monday of August and that's only a week away now, man how time has flown! I've been keeping an eye on the statistics and the numbers look pretty good to me, especially in our county. So as long as they don't change in the next 7 days i will be out and about again for the first time since lock down began back in March. I've bought some masks and hand sanitizer so i will be masking up for the first time which is going to seem weird. I'm surprised i've made it this long without needing to wear one. Well...here in my home town lots of known people to us are dying lately. One guy just 33 died 2 days ago. Lots of doctors dying and I am especially worried given both my parents have great chance of contracting the virus. We are not going to see peak for the next 30 days it seems. We had 50,000 new cases in India yesterday. I've noticed the high numbers where you are AJ and it's made the national news here in the UK. Mexico has had a lot of deaths over the last couple of months too and they have nearly caught us up 
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Post by bluerisk on Jul 28, 2020 15:41:18 GMT
I do not know a single person who had or has it.
Save from people who died of it.
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 29, 2020 4:21:59 GMT
I do not know a single person who had or has it. Save from people who died of it. Same was true for me too till about 30 days back but it seems every day now someone I know catches it. Hell, now even people I know are dying from it. I don't know for a fact but it seems median/average age of people dying in India is significantly less than of people who died in Europe from the same disease. South America seems to be seeing a high rate of infection and death as well.
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Post by mecano04 on Jul 30, 2020 1:31:30 GMT
Everything is pretty much back to normal at work, except for the fact we have a bunch of new employees in training. Hearing people on the public transports while I commute, on the streets, at work and at home, it seems we are now slowly entering a new phase in the crisis.
It's the beginning of the grind or the long haul. We'll see more and more impatience, desperation and exhaustion (both physical and psychological).
I mean, most people do wear the mask (probably 95% from my ballpark estimate) on the public transport but there is still a noticeable number of people not wearing any at all despite all the warnings and signs. Also there seem to be a growing number of articles, mostly opinion pieces, questioning the whole thing and asking whether everything was or still is necessary. Don't get me wrong, I do think that some decisions made by the government weren't right and I can understand why those decisions were made but I'm not willing to throw everything out the window.
On the desperation and exhaustion fronts, while the crisis was at its peak a little while back, it seems that most health workers and people in isolation tanked to make it through because the idea was that it was a rough patch. While it "worked", reality has set in that we may not be able to go back to "normal" as fast as we'd like. Combine that with the fact that financial support from the government won't last forever and you have people, like some of my coworkers and neighbors, who feel more and more anxious about the future.
All this leads me to think revelation is the best word to describe the "experience" so far.
I mean, in the first months, the crisis revealed to the government and the people, just how prepared they were for such an event (let's be honest, globally we weren't). It happened by highlighting the flaws in the procedures and the fact that some countries decided to cut their spending on PPE and reducing their reserves in the last few years.
On the field, it revealed who is a team player and who is a liability to an organization. I mean, sure we knew some coworkers never took hand washing seriously and they have been warned but even when the shit hit the fan some refused to actually do things correctly unless someone was standing right beside them and watched them. It also revealed the flaws in the PPE and general equipment distribution process.
On a global scale, it revealed who understands what is being said and who does not (like how to wear the mask properly), who can use common sense and who can't (like those toilet paper hoarders, especially in a province that produce it) and who can do some fact checking and who can't.
To each, it revealed just how mentally and physically though we are. Everybody has a different threshold before breaking down but some reached it already while others can still go on. Some do rely on others to make it through, like some coworkers who kept questioning others about how they were feeling and would actually mirror their answers. In those instances, it seems that they would hang on for as long as the people they perceived as though would hang on.
The word surreal could also be used to describe what it felt like boarding the subway (called Métro in Montréal) with only 6 other persons at rush hour. When I say the subway, I mean the whole train, not just my wagon but the whole train only carried 7 passengers on one go at some point.
Well that's about it for now, stay strong!
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Post by millar70 on Jul 30, 2020 3:27:09 GMT
I do not know a single person who had or has it. Save from people who died of it. I have been working 40 hours a week dealing with the public since March 27. I work at a busy liquor store. As of yet, I haven't felt a twinge of sickness. I have not noticed one single customer at the store who has been coughing, sneezing, sniffling, or even appearing sick at the slightest. I have not heard of one single friend or family member who have gotten it. I know I'm supposed to be living in fear, the television keeps telling me I should be. The average age of people dying from Covid is actually higher than the average age of death as a whole. Unfortunately, facts can be a real pain in the ass when an artificial panic is spread by those who don't want to admit to them.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 30, 2020 16:59:15 GMT
I do not know a single person who had or has it. Save from people who died of it. I have been working 40 hours a week dealing with the public since March 27. I work at a busy liquor store. As of yet, I haven't felt a twinge of sickness. I have not noticed one single customer at the store who has been coughing, sneezing, sniffling, or even appearing sick at the slightest. I have not heard of one single friend or family member who have gotten it. I know I'm supposed to be living in fear, the television keeps telling me I should be. The average age of people dying from Covid is actually higher than the average age of death as a whole. Unfortunately, facts can be a real pain in the ass when an artificial panic is spread by those who don't want to admit to them. Asymptomatic people wouldn't be doing any of those, and I would expect most people who are suffering badly from Covid-19 would be at home quarantining/bedridden, so they wouldn't be out shopping. And how many times does it have to pointed out that there are lingering effects to those who survive covid, it isn't just about how many people died. Eduardo Rodriguez developed a heart condition due to covid, I'd say that's pretty serious. It isn't about 'living in fear', it's about not spreading the disease to people who are more susceptible to it than you may be. It's that simple. The television was telling us to be afraid long before covid came around.
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Post by bluerisk on Jul 30, 2020 17:51:49 GMT
I have been working 40 hours a week dealing with the public since March 27. I work at a busy liquor store. As of yet, I haven't felt a twinge of sickness. I have not noticed one single customer at the store who has been coughing, sneezing, sniffling, or even appearing sick at the slightest. I have not heard of one single friend or family member who have gotten it. I know I'm supposed to be living in fear, the television keeps telling me I should be. The average age of people dying from Covid is actually higher than the average age of death as a whole. Unfortunately, facts can be a real pain in the ass when an artificial panic is spread by those who don't want to admit to them. Asymptomatic people wouldn't be doing any of those, and I would expect most people who are suffering badly from Covid-19 would be at home quarantining/bedridden, so they wouldn't be out shopping. And how many times does it have to pointed out that there are lingering effects to those who survive covid, it isn't just about how many people died. Eduardo Rodriguez developed a heart condition due to covid, I'd say that's pretty serious. It isn't about 'living in fear', it's about not spreading the disease to people who are more susceptible to it than you may be. It's that simple. The television was telling us to be afraid long before covid came around. The US economy has shrunken for over 30%...that is a policy of the torched ground. The harm is not worth the benefit. In all of Germany, 12 people between the age of 0 and 30 died of Covid, all with pre-conditions, and for that you destroy our economy. It's like burning down the building because of a spider. The people who die of Covid are in the average above the general live expectancy and would have died of a cold, the flu and other illnesses - maybe they even have and Covid was not the actual reason. A cold can lead to pneumonia or other deadly complications, but these singular cases are not brought forward like Covid cases.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Jul 30, 2020 18:43:13 GMT
Was shopping in Lidl on Tuesday night. Four members of staff on view. Two without masks, two wearing masks but both had pulled them down below their noses. So effectively all massless.
This is is a country where masks in shops are compulsory.
What a fucking joke.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 30, 2020 18:55:49 GMT
Asymptomatic people wouldn't be doing any of those, and I would expect most people who are suffering badly from Covid-19 would be at home quarantining/bedridden, so they wouldn't be out shopping. And how many times does it have to pointed out that there are lingering effects to those who survive covid, it isn't just about how many people died. Eduardo Rodriguez developed a heart condition due to covid, I'd say that's pretty serious. It isn't about 'living in fear', it's about not spreading the disease to people who are more susceptible to it than you may be. It's that simple. The television was telling us to be afraid long before covid came around. The US economy has shrunken for over 30%...that is a policy of the torched ground. The harm is not worth the benefit. In all of Germany, 12 people between the age of 0 and 30 died of Covid, all with pre-conditions, and for that you destroy our economy. It's like burning down the building because of a spider. The people who die of Covid are in the average above the general live expectancy and would have died of a cold, the flu and other illnesses - maybe they even have and Covid was not the actual reason. A cold can lead to pneumonia or other deadly complications, but these singular cases are not brought forward like Covid cases. The thing is we're far beyond cold and flu season and Covid cases continue to rise in our country. Serious complications are affecting tens of thousands and hospitals are being stretched beyond their capacity-- and this is with the partial shutdown still in place. I don't disagree with the numbers, certainly it's the older demographic that are in more trouble. But once the hospitals reach their limit, and you get into a car accident or have a heart attack, etc. it doesn't matter whether you have Covid once there aren't any hospital beds left. Flattening the curve was always about more than stopping Covid alone. The economy can recover, the dead are gone forever. Tell the families of the 12 people you mentioned that we should all get back to normal living. Tell those with similar pre-conditions who might be next to die that they're impeding progress and should just die already so we can move on. It's easy for us to shrug our shoulders and move on, not so much for them. Personally, I think the rules governing re-opening should be dependent on regional population density. Larger cities should be more strict than rural areas, instead of statewide rulings that make no sense. Anyway, I was reacting to the tenor of the post I replied to. Someone insisting there isn't a problem because it hasn't affected them personally, is becoming part of the problem. And I agree, the media is also a part of the problem. But the media didn't kill hundreds of thousands of people worldwide with an illness that continues to spread like wildfire long after cold and flu season has ended. Covid-19 is more serious than even I want to give it credit for. I'm still stubborn enough to believe I'd be straight up asymptomatic if I got it. As if working out and possessing the willpower of Batman could ward off the disease in principle. But what happens when I give it to my parents or in-laws because I had no idea I had it? (Well, the in-laws I wouldn't weep over. I kid...Probably.) The way I see it we have three options: - Open everything up completely and let nature take its course (even more than the 150k +deaths in our country alone, countless others being afflicted with serious health conditions) - Tell anyone with a health condition or anyone over 60 they can never see the light of day again, they're on their own must wear a hazmat suit at all times - Do what we're doing, to the detriment of the economy (that will bounce back) on a temporary basis (as opposed to death, which is permanent) What sounds like the most humane thing to do? And full disclosure, my industry hasn't been affected much by the shutdown. So it's easier for me to say we need to proceed with caution than if I was a school bus driver wondering how I'm going to feed my family. Still, my perspective is considerably less callous than telling the sick my job is more important than their life.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jul 30, 2020 20:28:08 GMT
we just launched a space ship to Mars today - estimated at $2.46 billion dollars from a sciencemag.org article (March 2019) - nice to see we've got our priorities right during these times 
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Post by millar70 on Jul 30, 2020 21:01:54 GMT
we just launched a space ship to Mars today - estimated at $2.46 billion dollars from a sciencemag.org article (March 2019) - nice to see we've got our priorities right during these times  That's very important stuff, buddy. It's all about the future, the elite need someplace to live when the shit REALLY hits the fan here on Earth.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jul 30, 2020 21:15:41 GMT
we just launched a space ship to Mars today - estimated at $2.46 billion dollars from a sciencemag.org article (March 2019) - nice to see we've got our priorities right during these times  That's very important stuff, buddy. It's all about the future, the elite need someplace to live when the shit REALLY hits the fan here on Earth. I want my 2nd Stimulus Check 
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Post by millar70 on Jul 30, 2020 21:17:59 GMT
That's very important stuff, buddy. It's all about the future, the elite need someplace to live when the shit REALLY hits the fan here on Earth. I want my 2nd Stimulus Check  Mom's not kicking you out, is she? 😉
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jul 30, 2020 21:20:38 GMT
I want my 2nd Stimulus Check  Mom's not kicking you out, is she? 😉 I never turn down free money like free food 
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 30, 2020 21:30:04 GMT
The US economy has shrunken for over 30%...that is a policy of the torched ground. The harm is not worth the benefit. In all of Germany, 12 people between the age of 0 and 30 died of Covid, all with pre-conditions, and for that you destroy our economy. It's like burning down the building because of a spider. The people who die of Covid are in the average above the general live expectancy and would have died of a cold, the flu and other illnesses - maybe they even have and Covid was not the actual reason. A cold can lead to pneumonia or other deadly complications, but these singular cases are not brought forward like Covid cases. The thing is we're far beyond cold and flu season and Covid cases continue to rise in our country. Serious complications are affecting tens of thousands and hospitals are being stretched beyond their capacity-- and this is with the partial shutdown still in place. I don't disagree with the numbers, certainly it's the older demographic that are in more trouble. But once the hospitals reach their limit, and you get into a car accident or have a heart attack, etc. it doesn't matter whether you have Covid once there aren't any hospital beds left. Flattening the curve was always about more than stopping Covid alone. The economy can recover, the dead are gone forever. Tell the families of the 12 people you mentioned that we should all get back to normal living. Tell those with similar pre-conditions who might be next to die that they're impeding progress and should just die already so we can move on. It's easy for us to shrug our shoulders and move on, not so much for them. Personally, I think the rules governing re-opening should be dependent on regional population density. Larger cities should be more strict than rural areas, instead of statewide rulings that make no sense. Anyway, I was reacting to the tenor of the post I replied to. Someone insisting there isn't a problem because it hasn't affected them personally, is becoming part of the problem. And I agree, the media is also a part of the problem. But the media didn't kill hundreds of thousands of people worldwide with an illness that continues to spread like wildfire long after cold and flu season has ended. Covid-19 is more serious than even I want to give it credit for. I'm still stubborn enough to believe I'd be straight up asymptomatic if I got it. As if working out and possessing the willpower of Batman could ward off the disease in principle. But what happens when I give it to my parents or in-laws because I had no idea I had it? (Well, the in-laws I wouldn't weep over. I kid...Probably.) The way I see it we have three options: - Open everything up completely and let nature take its course (even more than the 150k +deaths in our country alone, countless others being afflicted with serious health conditions) - Tell anyone with a health condition or anyone over 60 they can never see the light of day again, they're on their own must wear a hazmat suit at all times - Do what we're doing, to the detriment of the economy (that will bounce back) on a temporary basis (as opposed to death, which is permanent) What sounds like the most humane thing to do? And full disclosure, my industry hasn't been affected much by the shutdown. So it's easier for me to say we need to proceed with caution than if I was a school bus driver wondering how I'm going to feed my family. Still, my perspective is considerably less callous than telling the sick my job is more important than their life. The deaths in India, the US and Brazil are not coming down. It seems it could go on like this for the next few weeks. In the US deaths had started falling but in the last 15 days it has again started rising or stopped falling. South American continent seems to be getting ravaged.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jul 30, 2020 21:37:51 GMT
It's 7 days until decision time in this household. We decided to stay isolated until the first Monday of August and that's only a week away now, man how time has flown! I've been keeping an eye on the statistics and the numbers look pretty good to me, especially in our county. So as long as they don't change in the next 7 days i will be out and about again for the first time since lock down began back in March. I've bought some masks and hand sanitizer so i will be masking up for the first time which is going to seem weird. I'm surprised i've made it this long without needing to wear one. This is the first time you're going outside in like 5 months?
Ever see Dawn of the Dead?
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jul 30, 2020 21:49:13 GMT
Personal Karen story today.
Working in the back room at work, I heard loud voices from sales floor. When early 60's something Karen (holding on to waist length hair, as grey & drabby as you can imagine) dropped a very loud 'YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY!!' I was good to roll. Managers were occupied so I told her to leave the store immediately. She called me an asshole & flipped me the bird. Turns out she'd been physically stabbing her index finger on ppl for full effect. She walked away saying she was done talking to any of us. We walked on.
I laughed out loud, 'Well, that was exciting' to a fine 60 something gentleman... he gave me a 'Yeah, fully uncalled for' as if he were a fun audience to witness the idiocy.
Sorry no viral footage to be found... just the same as all the other senior Karens online these days.
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Post by sjg on Jul 31, 2020 10:47:18 GMT
It's 7 days until decision time in this household. We decided to stay isolated until the first Monday of August and that's only a week away now, man how time has flown! I've been keeping an eye on the statistics and the numbers look pretty good to me, especially in our county. So as long as they don't change in the next 7 days i will be out and about again for the first time since lock down began back in March. I've bought some masks and hand sanitizer so i will be masking up for the first time which is going to seem weird. I'm surprised i've made it this long without needing to wear one. This is the first time you're going outside in like 5 months?
Ever see Dawn of the Dead?
No, i've been outside but only on our property or in the immediate vicinity of our house walking the pets. I've not been in another building or seen anyone other than my wife since March though and I've enjoyed it, it's been a nice break from society.
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Post by sjg on Jul 31, 2020 10:49:17 GMT
The thing is we're far beyond cold and flu season and Covid cases continue to rise in our country. Serious complications are affecting tens of thousands and hospitals are being stretched beyond their capacity-- and this is with the partial shutdown still in place. I don't disagree with the numbers, certainly it's the older demographic that are in more trouble. But once the hospitals reach their limit, and you get into a car accident or have a heart attack, etc. it doesn't matter whether you have Covid once there aren't any hospital beds left. Flattening the curve was always about more than stopping Covid alone. The economy can recover, the dead are gone forever. Tell the families of the 12 people you mentioned that we should all get back to normal living. Tell those with similar pre-conditions who might be next to die that they're impeding progress and should just die already so we can move on. It's easy for us to shrug our shoulders and move on, not so much for them. Personally, I think the rules governing re-opening should be dependent on regional population density. Larger cities should be more strict than rural areas, instead of statewide rulings that make no sense. Anyway, I was reacting to the tenor of the post I replied to. Someone insisting there isn't a problem because it hasn't affected them personally, is becoming part of the problem. And I agree, the media is also a part of the problem. But the media didn't kill hundreds of thousands of people worldwide with an illness that continues to spread like wildfire long after cold and flu season has ended. Covid-19 is more serious than even I want to give it credit for. I'm still stubborn enough to believe I'd be straight up asymptomatic if I got it. As if working out and possessing the willpower of Batman could ward off the disease in principle. But what happens when I give it to my parents or in-laws because I had no idea I had it? (Well, the in-laws I wouldn't weep over. I kid...Probably.) The way I see it we have three options: - Open everything up completely and let nature take its course (even more than the 150k +deaths in our country alone, countless others being afflicted with serious health conditions) - Tell anyone with a health condition or anyone over 60 they can never see the light of day again, they're on their own must wear a hazmat suit at all times - Do what we're doing, to the detriment of the economy (that will bounce back) on a temporary basis (as opposed to death, which is permanent) What sounds like the most humane thing to do? And full disclosure, my industry hasn't been affected much by the shutdown. So it's easier for me to say we need to proceed with caution than if I was a school bus driver wondering how I'm going to feed my family. Still, my perspective is considerably less callous than telling the sick my job is more important than their life. The deaths in India, the US and Brazil are not coming down. It seems it could go on like this for the next few weeks. In the US deaths had started falling but in the last 15 days it has again started rising or stopped falling. South American continent seems to be getting ravaged. Sergio Perez nipped home to Mexico to see his mom who is in hospital and contracted Covid on his travels. They must be swimming in it in south america
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