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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 10:44:03 GMT
People are selling face masks on the streets of Dublin. €3 for one, or two for a fiver. How do you know? Friend in Dublin. |
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Post by Carl LaFong on Mar 10, 2020 10:48:31 GMT
I was listening to Bernard Manning ungagged on Youtube the other night. Told quite a lot of Irish jokes. You would not have approved. Here's my favourite: An Irishman goes to a job interview:
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Paddy: "Paddy Mulligan."
Interviewer: "Could you spell that for me, please?"
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Post by Carl LaFong on Mar 10, 2020 11:50:14 GMT
Sainsbury's delivered my grocery order in my requested time slot. Nice one.
Now fucking bars of soap though - although they did warn me beforehand. How can they have run out of normal soap?
Had to sign for it on a tablet screen - with god knows how many germs on it.
I bet I eat everything today like a right fat bastard!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 11:56:37 GMT
Sainsbury's delivered my grocery order in my requested time slot. Nice one. Now fucking bars of soap though - although they did warn me beforehand. How can they have run out of normal soap? Had to sign for it on a tablet screen - with god knows how many germs on it. I bet I eat everything today like a right fat bastard! Did your bog roll mountain arrive? |
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Post by Carl LaFong on Mar 10, 2020 12:01:51 GMT
Sainsbury's delivered my grocery order in my requested time slot. Nice one. Now fucking bars of soap though - although they did warn me beforehand. How can they have run out of normal soap? Had to sign for it on a tablet screen - with god knows how many germs on it. I bet I eat everything today like a right fat bastard! Did your bog roll mountain arrive? Aye. Pretty small mountain though. The guy said they make it in the UK so there's no need for people to go overboard. Anyway, like I said, I go through 4 rolls a week on average so it'll last me a month. I usually buy a 9 roll pack at Iceland every fortnight or so, so this was hardly excessive. Surely you buy a pack of 9? You're not one of those numpties who buys a roll at a time or even a 4-pack at a time are you? You end up paying way over the odds per roll.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 12:05:03 GMT
Did your bog roll mountain arrive? Aye. Pretty small mountain though. The guy said they make it in the UK so there's no need for people to go overboard. Anyway, like I said, I go through 4 rolls a week on average so it'll last me a month. I usually buy a 9 roll pack at Iceland every fortnight or so, so this was hardly excessive. Surely you buy a pack of 9? You're not one of those numpties who buys a roll at a time or even a 4-pack at a time are you? You end up paying way over the odds per roll. I get through under 2 rolls a month. I buy a two pack at a time. 
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Post by Carl LaFong on Mar 10, 2020 12:05:51 GMT
Aye. Pretty small mountain though. The guy said they make it in the UK so there's no need for people to go overboard. Anyway, like I said, I go through 4 rolls a week on average so it'll last me a month. I usually buy a 9 roll pack at Iceland every fortnight or so, so this was hardly excessive. Surely you buy a pack of 9? You're not one of those numpties who buys a roll at a time or even a 4-pack at a time are you? You end up paying way over the odds per roll. I get through under 2 rolls a month. I buy a two pack at a time. Daft. Just throwing money away.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 10, 2020 12:15:59 GMT
My main problem with the media reporting about this is that they’ll say “X number of people died today” but rarely seem to mention if they were elderly or otherwise unhealthy in some way. If otherwise healthy 20-40 year olds start dying then I’ll up my level of concern. That's at least not my biggest concern My biggest concern is that people with no medical expertise declare such things as this as just a flu based on how many people may have died in their country so far. Well, the biggest thing about this is that it is a new virus and a lot is not known. I know the extent of damage influenza can cause but I do not know the extent of damage this 2 month old virus can cause. Further, we are not relying on a significant sample so far. The cases are still on the rise. There are countries whose medical facilities will take a toll when the spread of this will be greater than it is right now. Then this 0.2% or 0.4% stats will start looking far worse because it will turn into systemic risk that will cause many unrelated issues. Yet you don't panic, nor does anyone else. We all go on with our lives. It's highly contagious and kills hundreds of thousands of people every year, yet I'm pretty sure you haven't expressed your concerns about that at any time on this board. We don't cancel events and go into lockdown for five months every year during flu season. 'People with no medical expertise' are acting like it's the end times right here in this thread. They throw out statistics without context. I wonder how many non-elderly people without preexisting health conditions have died from Covid-19? The gloom and doom charts leave out the important details. What you need to know is people are dying, so be afraid.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Mar 10, 2020 12:31:05 GMT
That's at least not my biggest concern My biggest concern is that people with no medical expertise declare such things as this as just a flu based on how many people may have died in their country so far. Well, the biggest thing about this is that it is a new virus and a lot is not known. I know the extent of damage influenza can cause but I do not know the extent of damage this 2 month old virus can cause. Further, we are not relying on a significant sample so far. The cases are still on the rise. There are countries whose medical facilities will take a toll when the spread of this will be greater than it is right now. Then this 0.2% or 0.4% stats will start looking far worse because it will turn into systemic risk that will cause many unrelated issues. Yet you don't panic, nor does anyone else. We all go on with our lives. It's highly contagious and kills hundreds of thousands of people every year, yet I'm pretty sure you haven't expressed your concerns about that at any time on this board. We don't cancel events and go into lockdown for five months every year during flu season. 'People with no medical expertise' are acting like it's the end times right here in this thread. They throw out statistics without context. I wonder how many non-elderly people without preexisting health conditions have died from Covid-19? The gloom and doom charts leave out the important details. What you need to know is people are dying, so be afraid. The real problem is that death rates will soar if too many people become infected at the same time because the hospitals will be unable to cope with the numbers.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 10, 2020 12:54:37 GMT
Yet you don't panic, nor does anyone else. We all go on with our lives. It's highly contagious and kills hundreds of thousands of people every year, yet I'm pretty sure you haven't expressed your concerns about that at any time on this board. We don't cancel events and go into lockdown for five months every year during flu season. 'People with no medical expertise' are acting like it's the end times right here in this thread. They throw out statistics without context. I wonder how many non-elderly people without preexisting health conditions have died from Covid-19? The gloom and doom charts leave out the important details. What you need to know is people are dying, so be afraid. The real problem is that death rates will soar if too many people become infected at the same time because the hospitals will be unable to cope with the numbers. The real problem is the panic. You have a preexisting condition that makes you more susceptible to the worst this virus has to offer, so I understand and respect your stance here. But the hysteria and the hypocrisy of the entire global situation is mind boggling to me. I don't need the 30th person in this thread to explain it isn't the flu. The point is the flu is incredibly contagious and incredibly deadly (to a certain demographic, just like Covid-19), and we all tough it out every single year. Why is it this bug that has everyone freaked out? Is it because we know where it comes from? Is it secret racism because it comes from dirty China? Is it because during the early days of the outbreak, people saw images of Wuhan with people walking around with masks and don't realize that's common practice in Asia? The hazmat suits are a precaution. The western world has seen too many movies and equate those suits to an unstoppable deadly plague that's going to wipe out the human race. The statistics are babble, they're incomplete information. "X new cases were discovered today," as if it's any more rampant than any other common seasonal illness if the world was testing people for them all the time. I wonder if the people who have bought all the sanitizers that you now can't get your hands on have any idea how many people die of the flu every year? I'm not advocating ignoring the problem. I'm not Trump trying to wish it away, because any crisis reflects poorly on a world leader as incompetent as him. I just think the overreaction is unfounded. Monitor the situation heavily in areas where the outbreak is rampant. Encourage high risk groups to avoid crowds, and everyone to increase their awareness of basic hygiene and common sense manners. But you can't shut down society every time someone comes down with a fever. No this isn't the common flu, but it isn't Ebola, either.
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Post by Aj_June on Mar 10, 2020 12:58:16 GMT
That's at least not my biggest concern My biggest concern is that people with no medical expertise declare such things as this as just a flu based on how many people may have died in their country so far. Well, the biggest thing about this is that it is a new virus and a lot is not known. I know the extent of damage influenza can cause but I do not know the extent of damage this 2 month old virus can cause. Further, we are not relying on a significant sample so far. The cases are still on the rise. There are countries whose medical facilities will take a toll when the spread of this will be greater than it is right now. Then this 0.2% or 0.4% stats will start looking far worse because it will turn into systemic risk that will cause many unrelated issues. Yet you don't panic, nor does anyone else. We all go on with our lives. It's highly contagious and kills hundreds of thousands of people every year, yet I'm pretty sure you haven't expressed your concerns about that at any time on this board. We don't cancel events and go into lockdown for five months every year during flu season. 'People with no medical expertise' are acting like it's the end times right here in this thread. They throw out statistics without context. I wonder how many non-elderly people without preexisting health conditions have died from Covid-19? The gloom and doom charts leave out the important details. What you need to know is people are dying, so be afraid. We all go on with lives when we are in walking in the known territories. Not when we are in unknown territories. It is right for people and authorities to take precautions even in areas where the virus has not spread. Because you never know which tourist from which country may have brought the virus in your area. And no one on this board is saying that we should panic over it.
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Post by Aj_June on Mar 10, 2020 13:02:52 GMT
Yet you don't panic, nor does anyone else. We all go on with our lives. It's highly contagious and kills hundreds of thousands of people every year, yet I'm pretty sure you haven't expressed your concerns about that at any time on this board. We don't cancel events and go into lockdown for five months every year during flu season. 'People with no medical expertise' are acting like it's the end times right here in this thread. They throw out statistics without context. I wonder how many non-elderly people without preexisting health conditions have died from Covid-19? The gloom and doom charts leave out the important details. What you need to know is people are dying, so be afraid. The real problem is that death rates will soar if too many people become infected at the same time because the hospitals will be unable to cope with the numbers. Yes, that is one of the problem and also that many people look at the problem in absolute numbers. How many people in all has this new thing killed? Just 4000? Crocodiles kill more people. Sure. But we do not expect deaths from crocodile to rise beyond what is normal for any given year. We do have concerns about Covid-19 though.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 10, 2020 13:11:04 GMT
Yet you don't panic, nor does anyone else. We all go on with our lives. It's highly contagious and kills hundreds of thousands of people every year, yet I'm pretty sure you haven't expressed your concerns about that at any time on this board. We don't cancel events and go into lockdown for five months every year during flu season. 'People with no medical expertise' are acting like it's the end times right here in this thread. They throw out statistics without context. I wonder how many non-elderly people without preexisting health conditions have died from Covid-19? The gloom and doom charts leave out the important details. What you need to know is people are dying, so be afraid. We all go on with lives when we are in walking in the known territories. Not when we are in unknown territories. It is right for people and authorities to take precautions even in areas where the virus has not spread. Because you never know which tourist from which country may have brought the virus in your area. And no one on this board is saying that we should panic over it. Yes you are. All you do is report half-ass statistics and say we should be worried over the unknown. I can provide quotes if necessary. It isn't unknown, we know the high risk demographics. Look at the recovery rate worldwide. We aren't flipping coins for survivability here. When healthy adults start dropping from this virus at any measurable clip, I'll be concerned. Until then, enough with the, "1200 new cases in Italy, time to cancel book club in Des Moines." I wonder how many people had the flu at any given time in Italy over the last few months? Tracking the number of cases proves nothing, it's just another way to scare people into following the story.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 10, 2020 13:14:57 GMT
The real problem is that death rates will soar if too many people become infected at the same time because the hospitals will be unable to cope with the numbers. Yes, that is one of the problem and also that many people look at the problem in absolute numbers. How many people in all has this new thing killed? Just 4000? Crocodiles kill more people. Sure. But we do not expect deaths from crocodile to rise beyond what is normal for any given year. We do have concerns about Covid-19 though. Covid-19 better hurry if it wants to catch up to the flu this season. No masks. No cancelations. No daily updates of how many people in Italy tested positive.
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Post by Aj_June on Mar 10, 2020 13:20:33 GMT
We all go on with lives when we are in walking in the known territories. Not when we are in unknown territories. It is right for people and authorities to take precautions even in areas where the virus has not spread. Because you never know which tourist from which country may have brought the virus in your area. And no one on this board is saying that we should panic over it. Yes you are. All you do is report half-ass statistics and say we should be worried over the unknown. I can provide quotes if necessary. It isn't unknown, we know the high risk demographics. Look at the recovery rate worldwide. We aren't flipping coins for survivability here. When healthy adults start dropping from this virus at any measurable clip, I'll be concerned. Until then, enough with the, "1200 new cases in Italy, time to cancel book club in Des Moines." I wonder how many people had the flu at any given time in Italy over the last few months? Tracking the number of cases proves nothing, it's just another way to scare people into following the story. That you have your own made up definitions of words is not my concern. And it is Unknown and new issue and capable of causing much harm. 1,200 new cases in Italy or doubling of cases in Spain overnight is concern for the people and it is not just about survivability. More increase in cases would mean people may have problems finding hospital beds and that could cause even more problem and put far more people at risk.
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Post by Aj_June on Mar 10, 2020 13:24:11 GMT
Yes, that is one of the problem and also that many people look at the problem in absolute numbers. How many people in all has this new thing killed? Just 4000? Crocodiles kill more people. Sure. But we do not expect deaths from crocodile to rise beyond what is normal for any given year. We do have concerns about Covid-19 though. Covid-19 better hurry if it wants to catch up to the flu this season. No masks. No cancelations. No daily updates of how many people in Italy tested positive. Wrong argument again. Do not compare the absolutes when one thing has a history as long as humanity and the other is totally new. Let's say Italy had 2 victims in 2018 and 1200 so far in 2019 then that is a rise in rate that flu can't match.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 10, 2020 13:30:21 GMT
Yes you are. All you do is report half-ass statistics and say we should be worried over the unknown. I can provide quotes if necessary. It isn't unknown, we know the high risk demographics. Look at the recovery rate worldwide. We aren't flipping coins for survivability here. When healthy adults start dropping from this virus at any measurable clip, I'll be concerned. Until then, enough with the, "1200 new cases in Italy, time to cancel book club in Des Moines." I wonder how many people had the flu at any given time in Italy over the last few months? Tracking the number of cases proves nothing, it's just another way to scare people into following the story. That you have your own made up definitions of words is not my concern. And it is Unknown and new issue and capable of causing much harm. 11,200 new cases in Italy or doubling of cases in Spain overnight is concern for the people and it is not just about suitability. More increase in cases would mean people may have problems finding hospital beds and that could cause even more problem and put far more people at risk. RIP to the hundreds of thousands who died of the flu over the past year, I bet they didn't have hospital beds for all of them, either. If only you cared about them as much as you care about the potential Covid-19 cases. I expect daily updates and statistics on flu patients year round from you now, not just the flashy virus making headlines today. I'm not sure what's worse, your hypocrisy or the ease with which you're manipulated by the fearmongering flavor of the month.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 10, 2020 13:31:40 GMT
Covid-19 better hurry if it wants to catch up to the flu this season. No masks. No cancelations. No daily updates of how many people in Italy tested positive. Wrong argument again. Do not compare the absolutes when one thing has a history as long as humanity and the other is totally new. Let's say Italy had 2 victims in 2018 and 1200 so far in 2019 then that is a rise in rate that flu can't match. The audacity of claiming I'm making the wrong argument when yours is literally made up. Well done.
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Post by Aj_June on Mar 10, 2020 13:38:14 GMT
Wrong argument again. Do not compare the absolutes when one thing has a history as long as humanity and the other is totally new. Let's say Italy had 2 victims in 2018 and 1200 so far in 2019 then that is a rise in rate that flu can't match. The audacity of claiming I'm making the wrong argument when yours is literally made up. Well done. Yes, you are making a wrong argument by comparing higher absolute (total) number of fatality caused by flu (something with a long history) with something which is new and on the rise.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 10, 2020 13:42:08 GMT
The audacity of claiming I'm making the wrong argument when yours is literally made up. Well done. Yes, you are making a wrong argument by comparing higher absolute (total) number of fatality caused by flu (something with a long history) with something which is new and on the rise. At least I'm using valid data as opposed to random hypotheticals to prove my point. Never mind, man. I just sneezed so I'm probably dying. There's only one solution.
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