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Post by Wolverine10005 on Mar 7, 2020 11:56:29 GMT
PRIMARY X-MEN:
This is a straight calculation of the "total lead" performance of all major X-Men characters in the X-Men Movie Franchise, leaving out their short appearances and cameos.
Charles Xavier/Professor X - 8 Films
Logan/Wolverine - 7 Films
Erik Magnus Lehnsherr/Magneto - 7 Films
Raven Darkholme/Mystique - 6 Films
Jean Grey/Phoenix - 5 Films
Ororo Munroe/Storm - 5 Films
Henry "Hank" McCoy/Beast - 5 Films
Scott Summers/Cyclops - 4 Films
Kurt Wagner/Nightcrawler - 3 Films
Cyclops is still an "iconic" character because he had 3 short appearances:
The Last Stand X-Men Origins: Wolverine X-Men: Days of Future Past
SECONDARY X-MEN:
X-Men characters being depicted on two films, and having a certain relevance despite the limited screentime.
1- Quicksilver 2- Rogue 3- Iceman 4- Shadowcat 5- Havok
Note: Colossus should be listed on here as well, but he is also featured in the "Deadpool" saga (standalone universe).
UNDERDEVELOPED X-MEN:
1- Angel/Archangel (note: they are two different characters in the movies) 2- Psylocke 3- Banshee 4- Gambit 5- Bishop
X-MEN FURTHER DEVELOPED IN OTHER MEDIA:
1- Colossus ---> Deadpool 1 & 2 2- Blink ---> The Gifted 3- Warpath/Thunderbird ---> The Gifted 4- Sunspot ---> The New Mutants
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Mar 9, 2020 15:16:49 GMT
For the movies set in the original timeline, there's a pattern for the X-Men:
Old and trained mutants:
Cyclops Jean Grey Storm Wolverine Nightcrawler Beast
The "new" mutants, younger:
Rogue Iceman Colossus Shadowcat Angel
The "future" mutants:
Bishop Blink Sunspot Warpath
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Post by dazz on Mar 9, 2020 17:43:00 GMT
Rogue should be classed as a lead character in X1 atleast dude, and Cyclops a secondary character in the original trilogy, his purpose in those movies is just to be Jean's boyfriend, he is meaningless to the plots and he isn't even really the leader of the X-Men, they operate as well or better without him and he never brings anything to the team really, which is unfair because he should be but they wrote him poorly, he should have been the guy calling the plays knowing his teams ability and such, instead he was virtually useless.
Also what is the point to this? what is there to discuss, you are simply stating an opinion as fact as per usual and offering nothing worth talking about, except to point out where you are mistaken, you aren't asking for others opinions, again just arrogantly stating your own usually flawed opinion as irrefutable fact, if you want people to discuss these movies with you make better post, because this...this is just masturbatory spamming on your part.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Mar 9, 2020 19:00:31 GMT
Rogue should be classed as a lead character in X1 atleast dude, and Cyclops a secondary character in the original trilogy, Cyclops is the symbol of the X-Men, especially in the first two and Origins. Rogue is a trainee in the first movie and just becomes an X-Man in X2.
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Post by bud47 on Mar 9, 2020 19:18:42 GMT
Rogue should be classed as a lead character in X1 atleast dude, and Cyclops a secondary character in the original trilogy, Cyclops is the symbol of the X-Men, especially in the first two and Origins. Rogue is a trainee in the first movie and just becomes an X-Man in X2. You must be watching totally different movies to think Cyclops has any importance in these films. His character was completely disrespected and wasted. Rogue is still a trainee in X2 (and arguably again in Last Stand), which is why she spends the entire climax of the film sitting in the jet with Bobby twiddling her thumbs. They never knew how to properly handle any of these characters.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Mar 9, 2020 19:33:54 GMT
Cyclops is the symbol of the X-Men, especially in the first two and Origins. Rogue is a trainee in the first movie and just becomes an X-Man in X2. You must be watching totally different movies to think Cyclops has any importance in these films. He's not important in the original trilogy, but he's iconic nonetheless. And he's given bad ass scene in ALL movies he is involved with. Rogue, Bobby and Nightcrawler become "retroactively" X-Men.
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Post by dazz on Mar 9, 2020 20:14:31 GMT
Rogue should be classed as a lead character in X1 atleast dude, and Cyclops a secondary character in the original trilogy, Cyclops is the symbol of the X-Men, especially in the first two and Origins. Rogue is a trainee in the first movie and just becomes an X-Man in X2. No he isn't, if he is it's a sad symbol, a impotent jealous jock douchebag who is jealous of the cool new guy, Cyclops literally does nothing in the original trilogy, his role is to be Jean's boyfriend and the guy that wheels Xavier around, that's it, he is unimportant to the plots of any of the movies, they were a total disservice to the character which I think Singer and them admit to on the commentary track of X2, saying how they gave James a small fight scene before being captured because for 2 movies he would have literally nothing to do otherwise.
You are also convoluting lead performers with in movie "official" X-Men, Cyclops may be an official X-Men in X1-3 but he isn't a lead character, leads are people who are important to the movie, he is not, he's a secondary character at best, and just because Rogue wasn't an official X-Men doesn't mean Anna Paquin was not a lead in the movie, you need to stop lying and trying to force these false narratives as all it does is make you look foolish.
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Post by dazz on Mar 9, 2020 20:15:58 GMT
You must be watching totally different movies to think Cyclops has any importance in these films. He's not important in the original trilogy, but he's iconic nonetheless. And he's given bad ass scene in ALL movies he is involved with. Rogue, Bobby and Nightcrawler become "retroactively" X-Men. This isn't being sarcastic, but legit name them dude as I don't recall any remotely bad ass scenes for Cyclops until Apocalypse.
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Post by bud47 on Mar 9, 2020 20:28:23 GMT
He's not important in the original trilogy, but he's iconic nonetheless. And he's given bad ass scene in ALL movies he is involved with. Rogue, Bobby and Nightcrawler become "retroactively" X-Men. This isn't being sarcastic, but legit name them dude as I don't recall any remotely bad ass scenes for Cyclops until Apocalypse. In the original trilogy, he gets one or two power displays then disappears. In Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix, he gets a little bit more to do, but still has no personality and no skills as a leader. Like most of the characters, he's whittled down to nothing but his powers. We don't care about him at all and we're just waiting for him to blast something. Nothing bad ass or iconic about him in any of the films. He deserved so much better. I can only imagine if Cap was treated this way.
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Post by dazz on Mar 9, 2020 20:36:17 GMT
This isn't being sarcastic, but legit name them dude as I don't recall any remotely bad ass scenes for Cyclops until Apocalypse. In the original trilogy, he gets one or two power displays then disappears. In Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix, he gets a little bit more to do, but still has no personality and no skills as a leader. Like most of the characters, he's whittled down to nothing but his powers. We don't care about him at all and we're just waiting for him to blast something. Nothing bad ass or iconic about him in any of the films. He deserved so much better. I can only imagine if Cap was treated this way. Yeah that's what I was thinking, and in a movie full of various superpowers one or two instances of eye beams is not bad ass, it's like saying Clark using superhearing in a Superman movie is bas ass when he's otherwise catching helicopters, being shot in the eyeball, throwing fools through buildings and such.
If they had rotated the leads more I wouldn't have minded him being relegated to a lesser character for a movie or two, X-Men are an ensemble group the movies should be treated as such, and in a series that means rotating the focus depending on the story, I assume X3 was going to be more Cyclops heavy but Marsden gave it up for Superman, I mean to be in a Superman movie, which was meh, funny how he gave up X3 to be in a lower grossing movie how hard you figure he kicked himself for that?
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Post by bud47 on Mar 9, 2020 20:40:23 GMT
In the original trilogy, he gets one or two power displays then disappears. In Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix, he gets a little bit more to do, but still has no personality and no skills as a leader. Like most of the characters, he's whittled down to nothing but his powers. We don't care about him at all and we're just waiting for him to blast something. Nothing bad ass or iconic about him in any of the films. He deserved so much better. I can only imagine if Cap was treated this way. Yeah that's what I was thinking, and in a movie full of various superpowers one or two instances of eye beams is not bad ass, it's like saying Clark using superhearing in a Superman movie is bas ass when he's otherwise catching helicopters, being shot in the eyeball, throwing fools through buildings and such.
If they had rotated the leads more I wouldn't have minded him being relegated to a lesser character for a movie or two, X-Men are an ensemble group the movies should be treated as such, and in a series that means rotating the focus depending on the story, I assume X3 was going to be more Cyclops heavy but Marsden gave it up for Superman, I mean to be in a Superman movie, which was meh, funny how he gave up X3 to be in a lower grossing movie how hard you figure he kicked himself for that?
I remember being so pissed at Bryan Singer back that year. I was a big fan of both X-Men and Superman growing up and he managed to ruin both in a single Summer. So glad his career is over.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Mar 9, 2020 21:19:58 GMT
He's not important in the original trilogy, but he's iconic nonetheless. And he's given bad ass scene in ALL movies he is involved with. Rogue, Bobby and Nightcrawler become "retroactively" X-Men. This isn't being sarcastic, but legit name them dude as I don't recall any remotely bad ass scenes for Cyclops until Apocalypse. Cyclops vs Toad Cyclops in the Liberty Island final fight Cyclops vs Lady Deathstrike Cyclops vs the X-Men and Jean Grey Cyclops vs Victor Creed
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Post by dazz on Mar 9, 2020 23:13:44 GMT
This isn't being sarcastic, but legit name them dude as I don't recall any remotely bad ass scenes for Cyclops until Apocalypse. Cyclops vs Toad Cyclops in the Liberty Island final fight Cyclops vs Lady Deathstrike Cyclops vs the X-Men and Jean Grey Cyclops vs Victor Creed Everyone of those are lame it's him putting his fingers to his visor at most, he didn't even fight Toad he got kicked once and knocked out for a minute, the closest is in the Lady Deathstrike scene where he has 10 seconds of meh hand to hand action with the guards, because Singer and co realised without it all they had Marsden do for 2 full movies is put his fingers to his temple, but then Cyclops get's KO'd once again with a single basic strike, I mean the Liberty bell final fight I assume you mean where Jean holds up his visor telekinetically, so his bad ass scene is opening his eyes?
We get it mate, you are a fanboy, no need to be a frothing at the mouth raving mad fanboy, take yah lips off of the fictional characters metaphorical schlong and just admit he was a lame character in the original trilogy, that's on Singer and co for not utilising him better, not a testament to the characters actual worth.
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Post by dazz on Mar 9, 2020 23:18:23 GMT
Yeah that's what I was thinking, and in a movie full of various superpowers one or two instances of eye beams is not bad ass, it's like saying Clark using superhearing in a Superman movie is bas ass when he's otherwise catching helicopters, being shot in the eyeball, throwing fools through buildings and such.
If they had rotated the leads more I wouldn't have minded him being relegated to a lesser character for a movie or two, X-Men are an ensemble group the movies should be treated as such, and in a series that means rotating the focus depending on the story, I assume X3 was going to be more Cyclops heavy but Marsden gave it up for Superman, I mean to be in a Superman movie, which was meh, funny how he gave up X3 to be in a lower grossing movie how hard you figure he kicked himself for that?
I remember being so pissed at Bryan Singer back that year. I was a big fan of both X-Men and Superman growing up and he managed to ruin both in a single Summer. So glad his career is over. Yeah I felt the same way, especially after being hyped up for both, like it was omg the end of the X-Men trilogy and X2 was so great I was so hyped, and then the dude who did X2 is doing Superman, the guy who made my fav cbm at the time doing another cbm this time about my fav comic character, I couldn't not have been more hyped...boy that was a mistake.
Don't count him out just yet though, it's the movie business, no matter how unprofessional and immoral a person maybe if he can make money or get press some douchebag exec will roll the dice.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Mar 10, 2020 13:23:31 GMT
Cyclops vs Toad Cyclops in the Liberty Island final fight Cyclops vs Lady Deathstrike Cyclops vs the X-Men and Jean Grey Cyclops vs Victor Creed Everyone of those are lame it's him putting his fingers to his visor at most, he didn't even fight Toad he got kicked once and knocked out for a minute
No, they are great fights. Toad was very strong, it's always a struggling. A good fight implies a struggling, you know. It's not a MCU "cartoon". That said, yeah he didn't fight with Toad but Cyke fighted the effects of his mutant powers. It was a team effort.
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Post by bud47 on Mar 10, 2020 14:26:30 GMT
This isn't being sarcastic, but legit name them dude as I don't recall any remotely bad ass scenes for Cyclops until Apocalypse. Cyclops vs Toad Cyclops in the Liberty Island final fight Cyclops vs Lady Deathstrike Cyclops vs the X-Men and Jean Grey Cyclops vs Victor Creed In every single instance listed there, it's a single blast with Cyclops standing still like his feet are glued to the floor. Nothing remotely close to being bad-ass. Boring and unimaginative is more like it.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Mar 10, 2020 15:03:05 GMT
Cyclops vs Toad Cyclops in the Liberty Island final fight Cyclops vs Lady Deathstrike Cyclops vs the X-Men and Jean Grey Cyclops vs Victor Creed In every single instance listed there, it's a single blast with Cyclops standing still It's his power. You know. There's massive inertia for his body when he shots his concussive force beam, even. And there's quite an underrated amount of team effort in the X-Men movies. In the MCU fights, even Thor does always the same things, as well as HULK SMASH. They are treated like cartoons. That said, the fights in Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix were more intricate for him. But he was badass since X1 anyway.
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Post by bud47 on Mar 10, 2020 15:21:57 GMT
In every single instance listed there, it's a single blast with Cyclops standing still It's his power. You know. There's massive inertia for his body when he shots his concussive force beam, even. And there's quite an underrated amount of team effort in the X-Men movies. In the MCU fights, even Thor does always the same things, as well as HULK SMASH. They are treated like cartoons. That said, the fights in Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix were more intricate for him. But he was badass since X1 anyway. Badass? And why do you insecure Fox-Men fanboys keep trying to bring the MCU characters into the argument? You just can't help it can you?
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Post by dazz on Mar 10, 2020 17:52:33 GMT
In every single instance listed there, it's a single blast with Cyclops standing still It's his power. You know. There's massive inertia for his body when he shots his concussive force beam, even. And there's quite an underrated amount of team effort in the X-Men movies. In the MCU fights, even Thor does always the same things, as well as HULK SMASH. They are treated like cartoons. That said, the fights in Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix were more intricate for him. But he was badass since X1 anyway. Doesn't mean he has to be a statue when using his powers, it's no different than a gun, bow and arrows, throwing knives etc, which movies utilise into bad ass fight scenes, Cyclop's visors ability to modulate his powers intensity and spread means they could have done this, even in the montage in X1 where they show Cyclops training all he does is again stand still and move his head, this is not a bad ass scene.
No they aren't it wasn't a fight, a blindside cheap shot is not a fight you goof, Cyclops got kicked once and shut behind a door knocked out, all he did was then blow the door off and crack Toad's mucus off of Jean, that's not bad ass it's underwhelming and meh, Toad fighting Jean and Storm was cool as it showed off Jean's ability and inexperience as well as Toad's ability and character as he showed flair, that's a cool scene for Toad once they get rid of Cyclops, he isn't in good scenes he's the character they get rid off to have good scenes.
There was no struggle and it also wasn't a team effort, Toad took out Cyclops and Jean, Storm toasted the Toad on her own unaided, your recollection of these movies are atrocious and ridiculous.
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Post by Wolverine10005 on Mar 10, 2020 18:51:12 GMT
It's his power. You know. There's massive inertia for his body when he shots his concussive force beam, even. And there's quite an underrated amount of team effort in the X-Men movies. In the MCU fights, even Thor does always the same things, as well as HULK SMASH. They are treated like cartoons. That said, the fights in Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix were more intricate for him. But he was badass since X1 anyway. Badass? And why do you insecure Fox-Men fanboys keep trying to bring the MCU characters into the argument? You just can't help it can you? Kid, I have no problems. I love these movies and they are brilliant superhero movies. It's universally recognized. You only feel happy when you bash the X-Men movies, okay, we got that. You troll each X-Men thread here LOL. Did Simon Kinberg or Bryan Singer traumatize you? Oh, kid. You cannot erase a total gross of over 6 billion dollars movie, buddy. Time travel doesn't exist. And yes, Cyclops is badass. Underdeveloped (he needed more movies), but iconic and badass nonetheless.
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