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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jun 14, 2020 8:06:30 GMT
Glad to get a win, but only saw the last 15 minutes. Thought we were going to bugger that up. As a matter of fact the Sharks scored as soon as I turned the telly on. Hunt at hooker playing off the bench. Who would have thought playing him in the position he filled so well in last year's State of Origin was a better idea than playing him where he's been an abysmal failure for the past year and a half?
And 30-16 must be a final score close to any Tiger fan's heart.
Swans went down in a good game to Essendon. Dons sealed the win with a goal in the last minute. GWS continue to be mentally weak. Roos played well, but that's not a game the Gints should be losing if they want to go one better this year.
Roosters/ Bulldogs was pushed back to tomorrow due to a covid scare.
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Post by weststigersbob on Jun 14, 2020 11:40:57 GMT
Dragons played really well, and I agree with you Hosko - Ben Hunt is a 9/14. Forget the salary cap and the wages. Pick the best 17 that gives you the best chance of winning. WT have their highest paid player at centre, now the lowest paid position on the field. Cronulla looked a bit lost. They do have 2 of the most overrated players of all time though in their side in Shaun Johnson and Andrew Fifita. I saw the first half of the GWS - North game, and some of the WB loss to St.Kilda. Neither game was of any great quality at all. I still maintain that of all sports, full time professionalism and an emphasis on coaching with video technology has killed Aussie Rules the most. The ‘game’ was so much better to watch in the 80’s and 90’s than today. Rugby League is about the same - just different. Union likewise.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jun 14, 2020 17:13:56 GMT
I think the AFL peaked as an on field product in the late 90s with Eade's Swans, Blight's Crows and Pagan's Roos who all put numbers back to slingshot the ball forward at pace. Who killed the game? Terry Wallace. He was the guy who decided to put the whole team in the defensive 50 against Essendon in Rd 22 in 2000. Sheedy hadn't seen the tactic before and so didn't know what to do to counter it. Then every mediocre team started doing the same thing. Brisbane and Port countered this in different ways and killed the trend. So Wallace came up with an even worse one based on taking Port's exciting back line passing and using it all over the ground. His Tigers literally won a game against Adelaide by kicking an early goal, winning the ball, and then just kick-mark for 20 minutes.
But the absolute worst one was the one Paul Roos originally formulated as an attacking tactic. 3 permanently forward, 3 permanently back and everyone else follow the ball from half back to half forward. Idea was to give you numbers around the ball. But if your opponemt follows suit, as everyone started doing, all it creates is congestion around the ball. And, apart from Geelong's handball kamikaze, every tactic simce has been congestion around the ball and various formations. No running, no risks and no spontaneity.
They need to cut out two mids, preferably followers, pay free kicks a lot quicker in those clusters and keep the quarters at 16 1/2 minutes as the games are way too long.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jun 14, 2020 17:25:33 GMT
And with St George keep playing Dufty at full back. Never even joke about putting Corey Norman there again. I don't know if you saw last week's game, but at least 4 times Corey let the ball bounce and each time led to calamity.
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Post by weststigersbob on Jun 15, 2020 12:57:57 GMT
Roosters really flex their muscles in a big win over the Bulldogs 42-6. Tedesco was outstanding for the Chooks. The Dogs played as well as a team beaten by 36 could possibly play. It’s amazing how some clubs can buy talent at a discount rate, whilst overs struggle and pay overs. The Morris twins, quality outside backs, especially defensively, and the Chooks got them for virtually nothing. What the WT could do with the Morris boys in the 3 and 5 jerseys....
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jun 15, 2020 18:12:49 GMT
It's been a duopoly for a while now. One of Melbourne or the Roosters have been Minor Premiers in 8 of the last 9 years and 12 of the last 16 (granted Melbourne were stripped of 3) and only 5 Grand Finals in the last 21 years haven't featured one or both. It takes more than a salary cap to equalise a league.
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Post by weststigersbob on Jun 15, 2020 21:21:04 GMT
Those 2 clubs just recruit and retain players better than all the other clubs. It’s that simple. Whilst I joke about Uncle Nick’s brown paper bags - the plain facts are that the Roosters don’t do anything other clubs don’t except for paying too much or contracting players too long.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jun 18, 2020 21:42:31 GMT
Well, Richmond's effort last night put into perspective how good they weren't against Collingwood. 75 points in two weeks is not good. Hawthorn ocasionally get a slow start to seasons but they're always respectable and will beat you if you're below your best.
Broncos are going nowhere in a hurry. Very poor second half last night. Good to see the Knights bounce back from their loss last week.
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Post by weststigersbob on Jun 19, 2020 12:22:51 GMT
Broncos are a complete rabble at the moment - no organisation and frankly, vastly overrated and bigheaded forwards. Newcastle keep chugging along, and Daniel Saifiti is yer another so-so SOO selection who returns to clubland a vastly different player who has grown “another leg”
I don’t know AFL tactics that well, but Richmond didn’t weren’t beaten tactically. Down on effort and cohesion.
In tonight’s NRL games - Souths waltzed past the Warriors 42-6, but all the focus again was on Latrell Mitchell, firstly because he looked to clearly make contact to the head of David Fusitua causing him to bomb a try and then fail a HIA. No penalty though. Then he overreacted to a bit of a facial and had a cry walking off the field and in the sheds. In the other game - a fantastic arm-wrestle with Penrith franking their Top4 aspirations by outlasting the Storm 21-14. Melbourne have once again found a niche whereby they wrestle and hold down just enough to not give away a 6 again all night, yet get 5-6 themselves. Nathan Cleary was outstanding for the Panthers, but the MOTM was Api Koroisau, who could well be the buy of the year.
In tonight’s AFL game, the Bulldogs have prevailed 57-33 over GWS in what could be yet another display of uninspired, conservative Australian rules football. I haven’t watched it, but I’m anticipating a game that resembles an U/6’s soccer game. 20 players swarming all over a ball.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jun 20, 2020 11:38:23 GMT
Broncos are a complete rabble at the moment - no organisation and frankly, vastly overrated and bigheaded forwards. Newcastle keep chugging along, and Daniel Saifiti is yer another so-so SOO selection who returns to clubland a vastly different player who has grown “another leg” I don’t know AFL tactics that well, but Richmond didn’t weren’t beaten tactically. Down on effort and cohesion. In tonight’s NRL games - Souths waltzed past the Warriors 42-6, but all the focus again was on Latrell Mitchell, firstly because he looked to clearly make contact to the head of David Fusitua causing him to bomb a try and then fail a HIA. No penalty though. Then he overreacted to a bit of a facial and had a cry walking off the field and in the sheds. In the other game - a fantastic arm-wrestle with Penrith franking their Top4 aspirations by outlasting the Storm 21-14. Melbourne have once again found a niche whereby they wrestle and hold down just enough to not give away a 6 again all night, yet get 5-6 themselves. Nathan Cleary was outstanding for the Panthers, but the MOTM was Api Koroisau, who could well be the buy of the year. In tonight’s AFL game, the Bulldogs have prevailed 57-33 over GWS in what could be yet another display of uninspired, conservative Australian rules football. I haven’t watched it, but I’m anticipating a game that resembles an U/6’s soccer game. 20 players swarming all over a ball. Old man tells me there was an old fashioned all in brawl in that game which may be worth checking out. Giants and Dogs genuinely have a personal dislike for the other team's players, which means a decent barney is never far away. Pies and Dragons both won. Dragons played pretty shit. Pies blew St Kilda away with a scintillating first half and then coasted to a 44 point win.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jun 20, 2020 11:41:08 GMT
And Carlton are leading Geelong by 35 in the last quarter which goes to show there's no such thing as form lines this year in the AFL.
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Post by weststigersbob on Jun 20, 2020 13:22:53 GMT
Absolute cracker between Roosters and Eels , with the tri-colours triumphing 24-10 in a game where the scoreboard did not reflect the closeness of the contest. The best part was the refereeing. No nonsense, every time either side tried to wrestle or slow it up, straight away a six more. Later in the game, a blatant offside from Jennings was sent to the sin bin. Earlier WT had a somewhat Pyrrhic victory over Nth Qld, up 34-0 at HT but only prevailed 36-20 at the end. Only having 1 bench player for 25 minutes will do that though. Swans had a good win against North - the Kangas did everything well except kick straight. The Lions beat the Eagles by 5 goals, The dark navy blues over the cats by 2 points. As Hosko says, no formline at all in the AFL, and a few dark clouds with an Essendon player testing positive to COVID-19
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jun 20, 2020 18:37:52 GMT
There was a lot going on in that Geelong/ Carlton game. The Cats' ruckman put an uncontested double fist on the goal line to prevent a Cats goal (you read that right). Ablett missed a late set shot 20m out and Guthrie inexplicably played on after they were awarded a free kick 15m out. Eddie Betts was great. I hate Carlton but I love Eddie.
My only comment on the Swans game is WTF was Will Hayward thinking? The ball was at least a metre over the line and he absolutely creamed the North player. That was some Toby Greene shit right there and I'm surprised North players weren't running from everywhere to kick his arse. To be fair to North looks like they took their shots at him over the rest of the game.
The NRL season is turning into 1992: who's going to beat the Roosters? Pretty sure the answer will be no one.
That Essendon situation is a worry. McKenna actually passed multiple tests and had been in direct contact with team mates in the lead up.to the positive tests.
25 new cases in Victoria yesterday and everyone's trying not to state the bleeding obvious: everyone who went to that BLM protest, showing symptoms or not, should go and get themselves tested. And that dickhead Greens Senator who attended the protest and then hopped on a plane to fly to a remote Aboriginal community for a photo op is a selfish fucking prick.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jun 20, 2020 21:13:01 GMT
Should probably also mention that A League is going to go back to being a southern winter league, which means I'll follow it even less than I already do. Seems the big winner is cricket. Not because it was threatened particularly by soccer, but because it clears summer out completely for them, which can only be a good thing.
It does put the A-League out of the European transfer window, but were there really many Europeans lining up to play in the A-League? I can understand an out of favour NBA player coming to play in the NBL rather than Lithuania, but there are plenty of better, and more visible, options for a young player wanting to get picked up by European league.
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Post by weststigersbob on Jun 22, 2020 6:45:06 GMT
Should probably also mention that A League is going to go back to being a southern winter league, which means I'll follow it even less than I already do. Seems the big winner is cricket. Not because it was threatened particularly by soccer, but because it clears summer out completely for them, which can only be a good thing. It does put the A-League out of the European transfer window, but were there really many Europeans lining up to play in the A-League? I can understand an out of favour NBA player coming to play in the NBL rather than Lithuania, but there are plenty of better, and more visible, options for a young player wanting to get picked up by European league. Jeez, the A-League. My prediction is that it will be dead in 5 years. I’ve stopped reading the forums because frankly, Australian soccer fans live in a complete fantasy land and fail to realise exactly where the A-League sits in the scheme of things in Australian sport. They are mostly convinced of a few things. 1) the primary reason that the sport doesn’t get much exposure because of Foxtel. The games should be on Optus and FTA, preferably Ch10. Absolutely no mention at all of ratings, which is why it’s not currently on a major FTA network. 2) a winter season is better because it aligns with the state leagues (Marconi, South Melbourne etc) and then promotion and relegation is possible. Absolutely no mention that people like you and I Hosko will stop engaging with the A-League because of our preference to NRL and/or AFL; nor that the primary driver of the A-League on TV was it’s alignment to winter leagues in the Northern Hemisphere, especially the EPL on Foxtel. 3) there is a significant amount of people in Australia who still view Australian soccer as some form of “Shielas, Wogs and Poofters”. 4) there is a significant number of people in Australia who still view Australia soccer as a vastly inferior product not worth spending time on. They like soccer, but only EPL, La Liga and/or UCL.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jun 22, 2020 19:57:00 GMT
You forgot the ones who still believe Australia would have won the 2006 World Cup if Italy hadn't screwed us.
And the delusion that follows nearly every early exit Australia has from an international tournament. Always "bad luck" or "the coach isn't using our players properly," rather than "we're ranked in the 40 or 50s in the world so not winning a game in a 32 team competition isn't really surprising."
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Post by Carl LaFong on Jun 25, 2020 11:30:59 GMT
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jun 25, 2020 19:27:56 GMT
I loved Lamumba when he played for us. Great backman. He has a Brazilian mother and a Congonese father. Is the AFL structurally racist? I doubt it. Aboriginal players are far too important to onfield success to be treated that way within the organisation. Are there ignorant illogical pieces of garbage who make racists taunts, throw bananas at black players and constantly flood players Social Media accounts with racist abuse? Absolutely. (that's what's happened to poor Eddie Betts).And it's more than likely sadly that some of these asenine idiots work or play for football clubs and are smart enough to be covert about it and so get away with it and these people need to be outed and gotten rid of. While I #standbymypresident, I'm the first to say Eddie Maguire is a Grade One boofhead who made an absolutely ridiculous comment about Adam Goodes being used to promote King Kong after a Collingwood supporter had made a racist taunt to Goodes about being an ape. But I don't think he's a racist, I just think he's a moron who hosts a radio show and says the first thing that comes into his head. Hmm. King Kong's a big ape. Where have I heard ape this week? Adam Goodes! How about I connect the two. Then out it comes and "Oh shit. What have I done?" Nathan Buckley's biggest problem pre 2018 where he completely changed his ethos was that he would run the club like a factory foreman who expected his workers to meet their targets and not bother him outside work hours unless it impacted work. He's now one of those door-always-open, no-problem-too-small types. If he had gone to Bucks now, the response would have been different and the outcome better.
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Post by weststigersbob on Jun 26, 2020 2:16:45 GMT
There’s one thing I just don’t get with AFL fans - it’s the seemingly deliberate ‘trolling’ of indigenous/black players. I’m convinced of it now - people who aren’t really racist or bigoted deliberately say bigoted shit to shit stir. Adam Goodes had an entire career of it , and the more it was pointed out, the worse it got.
In the NRL, it just doesn’t happen for some reason. A bit of a mention here and there about the heritage of players is about it. Of course the identipolitics love pointing it out, but to the general fan no one really cares if you are aboriginal, indigenous, black whatever.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jun 26, 2020 5:55:21 GMT
There’s one thing I just don’t get with AFL fans - it’s the seemingly deliberate ‘trolling’ of indigenous/black players. I’m convinced of it now - people who aren’t really racist or bigoted deliberately say bigoted shit to shit stir. Adam Goodes had an entire career of it , and the more it was pointed out, the worse it got. In the NRL, it just doesn’t happen for some reason. A bit of a mention here and there about the heritage of players is about it. Of course the identipolitics love pointing it out, but to the general fan no one really cares if you are aboriginal, indigenous, black whatever. Perth is worse. Just about any racism you want to support you can find there. You want to hear someone shout pro-apartheid horse shot in Afrikaans at Saffer cricketers? Go to Perth. Vile racist barbs at Gavin Wanganeen? Go to Perth. That Michael O'Loughlin incident in 2006? Go to Perth. Other constant, sadly, is Collingwood. Nicky Winmar lifting his shirt to point at his black skin was at Victoria Park. You're an Ape. King Kong and all that to Adam Goodes was Collingwood. This Lamumba thing. Only thing you can't blame us for is the boos: that started with Hawthorn fans probably still butt hurt that Goodes beat them on one leg in the 2012 decider. And the sad thing is Salter, otherwise a rational poster, would always sound like he'd taken the Andrew Bolt angry pills whenever he spoke about Aboriginals. Or Chris Judd. Salts really hated that guy.
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