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Post by The Pumpkin King on Mar 15, 2020 12:22:25 GMT
Batman won't actively murder someone, but that does not mean he necessarily considers himself to be under an obligation to save everyone who needs saving. And he's not averse to endangering (bad) people. How many people died back in Tibet when he destroyed Al Ghul's base, for example? The truth is that Batman is always morally compromised. He breaks many laws and injures many people (often brutally). If necessary, he's shown himself willing to torture his opponents. And he is aware of his morally compromised position, as is made evident by his strong desire to have Harvey Dent succeed him as Gotham's true "White Knight" in The Dark Knight.
Both villains were mad dog's that had to be taken down or put down. Ra's had already sealed his fate with the decision to destroy the city. The Joker was lucky he survived his battles with Batman. Batman will keep justice no matter what balance he has to maintain. My opinion.   
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Post by jonesjxd on Mar 15, 2020 12:56:25 GMT
Batman is a vigilante working outside the law. He has one law, his law, and he acts as the legislative, executive and judicial branch of that law. He determined to himself that he will not kill, he executed that he will leave the train allowing Ra's to fall to his death, and he judiciously interpreted that execution as within his law, because it's his law and his decision.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 19:29:22 GMT
Simple answer:
Ras Al Ghul set that whole thing in motion. The train crashing was his fault.
So Batman doesn't have to save him.
If it was set in motion by Batman, and he chose not to save him, it would be more like murder.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 15, 2020 22:33:22 GMT
Batman won't actively murder someone, but that does not mean he necessarily considers himself to be under an obligation to save everyone who needs saving. And he's not averse to endangering (bad) people. How many people died back in Tibet when he destroyed Al Ghul's base, for example? The truth is that Batman is always morally compromised. He breaks many laws and injures many people (often brutally). If necessary, he's shown himself willing to torture his opponents. And he is aware of his morally compromised position, as is made evident by his strong desire to have Harvey Dent succeed him as Gotham's true "White Knight" in The Dark Knight.
Both villains were mad dog's that had to be taken down or put down. Ra's had already sealed his fate with the decision to destroy the city. The Joker was lucky he survived his battles with Batman. Batman will keep justice no matter what balance he has to maintain. My opinion. The reason he saves the Joker is because the Joker's whole point is trying to get Batman to break his code about killing. He had to save him in order to further prove Joker wrong. If he wasn't fully aware of this fact in the moment then he might not have been so quick to save the Joker.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Mar 16, 2020 5:21:23 GMT
The reason he saves the Joker is because the Joker's whole point is trying to get Batman to break his code about killing. He had to save him in order to further prove Joker wrong. If he wasn't fully aware of this fact in the moment then he might not have been so quick to save the Joker. Agreed. The Joker didn't care about anyone's life - not even his own. His principle goal was to "corrupt" Gotham's heroes. He succeeded with Harvey Dent, but Batman understood his motivations and was never going to permit him his moral victory. Soi he effectively defeated the Joker by saving his life. And you can even hear the disappointment (and acceptance) in the Joker's voice at the very end ("You really are uncorruptible, aren't you?")
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Mar 16, 2020 5:25:32 GMT
Batman won't actively murder someone, but that does not mean he necessarily considers himself to be under an obligation to save everyone who needs saving. And he's not averse to endangering (bad) people. How many people died back in Tibet when he destroyed Al Ghul's base, for example? The truth is that Batman is always morally compromised. He breaks many laws and injures many people (often brutally). If necessary, he's shown himself willing to torture his opponents. And he is aware of his morally compromised position, as is made evident by his strong desire to have Harvey Dent succeed him as Gotham's true "White Knight" in The Dark Knight.
Both villains were mad dog's that had to be taken down or put down. Ra's had already sealed his fate with the decision to destroy the city. The Joker was lucky he survived his battles with Batman. Batman will keep justice no matter what balance he has to maintain. My opinion. The Joker only survived because Batman knew that letting him die would be a moral victory for the Joker. He had no intention of giving him that.
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