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Post by Jep Gambardella on Nov 28, 2020 12:24:53 GMT
The "Red Wedding", as it became known, was a huge shock when the episode aired. People who had read the books and knew that it was coming set up cameras to record the reaction from their friends and family who had no idea. YouTube is full of these reaction videos. Any help would be appreciated
I'm on Season 4 Episode 9
Little lost as to why John Snow is fighting his old girlfriend's clan
Obviously I missed something.
OK - so Snow was the leader of that huge Winter Gate in the beginning - but then he left to be on his own (I'm probably forgetting some facts) and met his girlfriend -
Then he left her and she was shooting arrows at him on his horse
Why did he return to that giant Winter Gate in the North and why is his old girlfriends clan attacking him (is her clan part of the Lannisters or on their side?)
*** Edit - sometimes I'm multitasking while I'm watching shows and doing things like 5 things at once - I've tried googling answers to some of these questions but the answers lead me in circles talking about characters I'm not aware of (or maybe I am but can't place a face with a name)
His true loyalty has always been to the Night Watch - the group that is tasked with defending the wall from possible invasion from the wildlings from the north. He was ordered to pretend to defect in order to infiltrate the wildling army and find out what they were up to. That is what he did. A small group of wildlings (with Jon Snow tagging along) climbed over the wall so that they could attack the garrison by surprise from the south while the main army attacked from the north. Jon Snow then got away from the group to warn his comrades about the impending attack. When his girlfriend (incidentally, they got married in real life) realised what was happening, she tried to kill him to stop him from sounding the alarm about the planned attack.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Nov 28, 2020 12:56:39 GMT
Any help would be appreciated
I'm on Season 4 Episode 9
Little lost as to why John Snow is fighting his old girlfriend's clan
Obviously I missed something.
OK - so Snow was the leader of that huge Winter Gate in the beginning - but then he left to be on his own (I'm probably forgetting some facts) and met his girlfriend -
Then he left her and she was shooting arrows at him on his horse
Why did he return to that giant Winter Gate in the North and why is his old girlfriends clan attacking him (is her clan part of the Lannisters or on their side?)
*** Edit - sometimes I'm multitasking while I'm watching shows and doing things like 5 things at once - I've tried googling answers to some of these questions but the answers lead me in circles talking about characters I'm not aware of (or maybe I am but can't place a face with a name)
His true loyalty has always been to the Night Watch - the group that is tasked with defending the wall from possible invasion from the wildlings from the north. He was ordered to pretend to defect in order to infiltrate the wildling army and find out what they were up to. That is what he did. A small group of wildlings (with Jon Snow tagging along) climbed over the wall so that they could attack the garrison by surprise from the south while the main army attacked from the north. Jon Snow then got away from the group to warn his comrades about the impending attack. When his girlfriend (incidentally, they got married in real life) realised what was happening, she tried to kill him to stop him from sounding the alarm about the planned attack. Thank you.
Jaime just released Tyrion trying to help him escape his impending execution -
Confused about this whole scene - why did he find Shae in his Dads bed (obviously she was sleeping with him) and kill her - and why does he go and confront his Dad?
I thought Jamie was helping him escape - what was the point of him making a pitstop to talk to his Dad?
I would have expected him to try and Flee with the bald guy (think his name was Ferris)
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Nov 28, 2020 13:06:13 GMT
His true loyalty has always been to the Night Watch - the group that is tasked with defending the wall from possible invasion from the wildlings from the north. He was ordered to pretend to defect in order to infiltrate the wildling army and find out what they were up to. That is what he did. A small group of wildlings (with Jon Snow tagging along) climbed over the wall so that they could attack the garrison by surprise from the south while the main army attacked from the north. Jon Snow then got away from the group to warn his comrades about the impending attack. When his girlfriend (incidentally, they got married in real life) realised what was happening, she tried to kill him to stop him from sounding the alarm about the planned attack. Thank you.
Jaime just released Tyrion trying to help him escape his impending execution -
Confused about this whole scene - why did he find Shae in his Dads bed (obviously she was sleeping with him) and kill her - and why does he go and confront his Dad?
I thought Jamie was helping him escape - what was the point of him making a pitstop to talk to his Dad?
I would have expected him to try and Flee with the bald guy (think his name was Ferris)
I guess Tyrion wanted to kill his dad for having been an asshole towards him since the day he was born. As for Shae, I think he felt betrayed - he believed she truly loved him, and here she is in his father’s bed!
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Nov 28, 2020 13:14:49 GMT
Thank you.
Jaime just released Tyrion trying to help him escape his impending execution -
Confused about this whole scene - why did he find Shae in his Dads bed (obviously she was sleeping with him) and kill her - and why does he go and confront his Dad?
I thought Jamie was helping him escape - what was the point of him making a pitstop to talk to his Dad?
I would have expected him to try and Flee with the bald guy (think his name was Ferris)
I guess Tyrion wanted to kill his dad for having been an asshole towards him since the day he was born. As for Shae, I think he felt betrayed - he believed she truly loved him, and here she is in his father’s bed! But did Jamie betray Tyrion?
Was he trying to lead him to his death?
I don't understand the whole pit stop with Tyrion stopping to see his father
My understanding was Jamie was releasing him to help him escape - just confused as to why/how this lead to Tyrion confronting his father
I would have been on a boat ASAP and out of there since I was fleeing execution
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Nov 28, 2020 13:39:13 GMT
I know I'm late to the party...
This is a good show....
But I really don't get all the over the top fandom over the years...
This Khaleesi Chick is soooooooooooo boooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrinnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggggggggggggggg.
On Season 5 Episode 1 - halfway through it...
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Nov 28, 2020 13:43:11 GMT
I guess Tyrion wanted to kill his dad for having been an asshole towards him since the day he was born. As for Shae, I think he felt betrayed - he believed she truly loved him, and here she is in his father’s bed! But did Jamie betray Tyrion?
Was he trying to lead him to his death?
I don't understand the whole pit stop with Tyrion stopping to see his father
My understanding was Jamie was releasing him to help him escape - just confused as to why/how this lead to Tyrion confronting his father
I would have been on a boat ASAP and out of there since I was fleeing execution
Jamie wanted to save Tyrion. He couldn’t have imagined that Tyrion would have made the pit stop to confront and kill their father. The way I remember it, Tyrion saw an opportunity to do so during his escape and took it. Probably not the safest course of action for him at that point but I guess his hatred for his father took precedence.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Nov 28, 2020 14:55:35 GMT
But did Jamie betray Tyrion?
Was he trying to lead him to his death?
I don't understand the whole pit stop with Tyrion stopping to see his father
My understanding was Jamie was releasing him to help him escape - just confused as to why/how this lead to Tyrion confronting his father
I would have been on a boat ASAP and out of there since I was fleeing execution
Jamie wanted to save Tyrion. He couldn’t have imagined that Tyrion would have made the pit stop to confront and kill their father. The way I remember it, Tyrion saw an opportunity to do so during his escape and took it. Probably not the safest course of action for him at that point but I guess his hatred for his father took precedence. Khaleesi sucks - even her Dragons hate her now - and her slaves are revolting against her
Please tell me she dies soon
Worst Character Ever
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Post by masterofallgoons on Nov 28, 2020 17:44:20 GMT
yeah - the Stark guy getting killed at his wedding with his Mom was a bit of a shocker - then we had the finale and nothing really happened in the finale
i don't understand why we keep hearing - 'Well that's the end of the Stark family' - aren't there liking 20 of them still floating around out there?
we need more dramatic scenes like the one above -
more of Geoffery and the midget too
The "Red Wedding", as it became known, was a huge shock when the episode aired. People who had read the books and knew that it was coming set up cameras to record the reaction from their friends and family who had no idea. YouTube is full of these reaction videos. That's the only episode I whoever watched. It was such a big show and I had never actually watched a full episode so I randomly decided to check it out when it was on one day. I got the sense that what was happening was really important and shocking, but I had no emotional investment in any of these people. I just saw all of these people dying for reasons I could not understand at all. It ended up, obviously, being this huge story and major TV event, but I couldn't connect to it and never really watched any of it again.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Nov 28, 2020 22:04:14 GMT
On the 5th Season of - Game of Thrones Hey! I've seen this before! It was called 'Gladiator'! ![](https://s26.postimg.cc/ntbgu109l/odd.gif)
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Nov 29, 2020 10:50:55 GMT
Caught a pretty good thriller last night, “7500”. Joseph Gordon-Levitt stars as a co-pilot on a flight that is hijacked. Practically the entire movie takes place in the cockpit of the airplane. I thought it was very tense and quite well done.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Nov 29, 2020 20:05:38 GMT
But did Jamie betray Tyrion?
Was he trying to lead him to his death?
I don't understand the whole pit stop with Tyrion stopping to see his father
My understanding was Jamie was releasing him to help him escape - just confused as to why/how this lead to Tyrion confronting his father
I would have been on a boat ASAP and out of there since I was fleeing execution
Jamie wanted to save Tyrion. He couldn’t have imagined that Tyrion would have made the pit stop to confront and kill their father. The way I remember it, Tyrion saw an opportunity to do so during his escape and took it. Probably not the safest course of action for him at that point but I guess his hatred for his father took precedence. I'm on Season 6 Episode 6
Seems like you're a fan and know a lot about the show
Curious as to who your least favorite characters are and the worst storylines according to you
I'm having a hard time getting through the blind Stark girl - as she's being mentored/tutored by what it seems is weaklings as she's stating - 'I am nobody'. Do you remember this? Just going on for episodes.......this kid was a warrior - sad to see her role reduced to this 'filler' it seems just to give the character some air time
*** Edit - another storyline I'm having a hard time getting through - the Stark Kids in the woods the kid's eyes black over - he's talking to an old guy wrapped in trees - for episodes and episodes and episodes - OOF - bad cinema - where is this going? When will it end?
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Nov 29, 2020 23:59:14 GMT
Jamie wanted to save Tyrion. He couldn’t have imagined that Tyrion would have made the pit stop to confront and kill their father. The way I remember it, Tyrion saw an opportunity to do so during his escape and took it. Probably not the safest course of action for him at that point but I guess his hatred for his father took precedence. I'm on Season 6 Episode 6
Seems like you're a fan and know a lot about the show
Curious as to who your least favorite characters are and the worst storylines according to you
I'm having a hard time getting through the blind Stark girl - as she's being mentored/tutored by what it seems is weaklings as she's stating - 'I am nobody'. Do you remember this? Just going on for episodes.......this kid was a warrior - sad to see her role reduced to this 'filler' it seems just to give the character some air time
*** Edit - another storyline I'm having a hard time getting through - the Stark Kids in the woods the kid's eyes black over - he's talking to an old guy wrapped in trees - for episodes and episodes and episodes - OOF - bad cinema - where is this going? When will it end?
I agree about those two storylines - they bugged the hell out of me as well. In general I wish everything that is supernatural had been dialed down. I always thought the “political” intrigues were far more interesting.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Nov 30, 2020 0:33:30 GMT
Jamie wanted to save Tyrion. He couldn’t have imagined that Tyrion would have made the pit stop to confront and kill their father. The way I remember it, Tyrion saw an opportunity to do so during his escape and took it. Probably not the safest course of action for him at that point but I guess his hatred for his father took precedence. I'm on Season 6 Episode 6
Seems like you're a fan and know a lot about the show
Curious as to who your least favorite characters are and the worst storylines according to you
I'm having a hard time getting through the blind Stark girl - as she's being mentored/tutored by what it seems is weaklings as she's stating - 'I am nobody'. Do you remember this? Just going on for episodes.......this kid was a warrior - sad to see her role reduced to this 'filler' it seems just to give the character some air time
*** Edit - another storyline I'm having a hard time getting through - the Stark Kids in the woods the kid's eyes black over - he's talking to an old guy wrapped in trees - for episodes and episodes and episodes - OOF - bad cinema - where is this going? When will it end?
I was all in on the show. Until the last season.
Without spoilers, both Arya and Bran's storylines will be crucial in the end. But neither are very well done. Deus ex machina.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Nov 30, 2020 15:04:15 GMT
I'm on Season 6 Episode 6
Seems like you're a fan and know a lot about the show
Curious as to who your least favorite characters are and the worst storylines according to you
I'm having a hard time getting through the blind Stark girl - as she's being mentored/tutored by what it seems is weaklings as she's stating - 'I am nobody'. Do you remember this? Just going on for episodes.......this kid was a warrior - sad to see her role reduced to this 'filler' it seems just to give the character some air time
*** Edit - another storyline I'm having a hard time getting through - the Stark Kids in the woods the kid's eyes black over - he's talking to an old guy wrapped in trees - for episodes and episodes and episodes - OOF - bad cinema - where is this going? When will it end?
I was all in on the show. Until the last season.
Without spoilers, both Arya and Bran's storylines will be crucial in the end. But neither are very well done. Deus ex machina.
If you go back and watch a random episode from seasons 1 - 4, it's rather stark (hah!) how much better it was than what it ultimately turned into in the last 2 seasons. Those earlier entries are riddled with great writing, nuanced character development, a complex but easy-to-follow story and great performances all around. The action sequences are terrific (Battle of Blackwater still holds up) but it's everything that preceded them that makes their stakes felt and the consequences palpable on both sides. It subsequently turned into a caricature of itself.
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Post by sdm3 on Nov 30, 2020 15:08:17 GMT
Stir Crazy (1980) Good fun with Wilder and Pryor, but it became a little too zany as soon as it shifted to the prison/rodeo angle. ![](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMmFkM2NiYTktODYwOC00NmI5LTgyNmItYTYzZGU1ZTJiN2E5XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMzU4Nzk4MDI@._V1_.jpg)
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Nov 30, 2020 15:19:22 GMT
On Season 7 Episode 3 right now of Game of Thrones
A little miffed/upset
For seasons I was rooting for the girl who was held captive by the Lannisters and treated like garbage by Joffery and forced to marry Tyrion after they murdered her father and then was forced into marriage after escaping and tortured/raped by a lunatic
But she's home now and seems to be undermining John Snow and could very well be plotting against her half brother
I'm one for a good turn - i.e. from good to evil or evil to good - but I'm not liking this turn - makes no sense to me - fall in line and let Snow run the show
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Nov 30, 2020 15:39:28 GMT
Literally just finished. Loved it. That last episode was great. One thing I liked is that they didn’t make Borgov like some Ivan Drago dude. Just the right amount of episode and good acting all around. Yeah man, I'm with you. The ending went in a different direction than I expected and I found it to be very sweet and satisfying. Really, a lot of the characters accomplished that for me. Alma - you expect her to basically just use Beth completely to improve upon her life and while you could argue she does that to a degree, she does love her and respects her passions. In the end, her absence was really felt, both for the character and the audience. Benny - you expect him to be some sort of shitbag hustler, and he kinda is in some ways, but he completely respects Beth and ends up making her a better player, basically at his own expense. I read somewhere (and I can't find it now for whatever reason), about how every character in the show represents a piece on the board. Benny is the bishop. He teaches her, bestows wisdom upon her but is chaste in a weird way and really holds out from giving her carnal affection despite her wanting it. Harry - after their brief interlude ends, he still supports her and ends up helping her in the end. Just a beautifully told, wonderfully shot and crisply acted story. I'm glad you enjoyed it!
I knew there had been some discussion about The Queen's Gambit here earlier but I had avoided reading those posts as I hadn't seen the show yet. Now that that has been corrected, I went back to find those posts. Count me in among the many fans of Beth Harmon!
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Post by klawrencio79 on Nov 30, 2020 16:26:46 GMT
Over the weekend, I watched the "Before" trilogy - Before Sunrise (1995), Before Sunset (2004) and Before Midnight (2013). First time viewing for all, I had read countless times about how Before Sunrise was a must-watch, one of the most romantic and beautifully told stories you can see, it's on everyone's "best of" type lists, etc., but I had never really considered watching it. Romance isn't exactly my go-to genre. Then last week, I was talking to a friend of mine who had just watched Boyhood for the first time and while he didn't love it, it got me thinking about that movie. And then about Richard Linklater as a whole. It's strange, I think I have (or at least, had) this sort of blind spot towards him. If you asked me to name my 10 favorite movies and 10 favorite directors, neither Linklater nor any of his movies would show up. However, having spent the last week thinking about it, and having watched that trilogy over the weekend (Sunrise on Thursday, Sunset on Friday and Midnight on Saturday) and having really thought about it, I think Linklater might be the best "slice of life" type of storyteller that I've seen in the filmmaking medium, and I feel as though his movies resonate with me in very personal ways. Here's why - SPOILERS AHEAD. 1. Dazed and Confused. I was 14 when this came out, a freshman in high school and the character Mitch was something of an analog for all of us at that age. I had an older sister in high school so I was able to befriend the older kids and they really helped shape my high school experience. But this movie just captures that moment in time so effortlessly. Is it the "best movie" I've ever seen? No, but it makes me gloriously happy and I watch it every year at the onset of summer. I guess I had just never really thought about the movie as more than a great comedy or as a vital piece of Linklater's CV but it really is a microcosm of what he's best at - moments in time. 2. Boyhood. Same thing. Is it the "best movie" I've ever seen? No, but dammit if I didn't truly feel like I grew up with Ellar Coltrane during the course of this movie. Not all of the beats I can directly relate to, but many of them for sure. And whether you enjoyed this movie or not, it's impossible not to respect the ambition of what Linklater accomplished here. Again, there's no standout set piece or anything like that; just characterizations against the backdrop of moments in time. The conversation tells the story and drives the plot, rather than the other way around. 3. Before Trilogy. So I think Sunset is the "best" of the 3 for reasons I'll get into below, but Sunrise stuck to my ribs in a particular way. I fancy myself as a film purist and while masterofallgoons and Jep know more about the art of it than I do, I'm a sucker for the simple things, a good script, committed performances and beautiful camerawork and that's what this entire trilogy is. This is really film in its purist form as it's just two people talking. Basically for 100 minutes, 80 minutes and 110 minutes. That's it. And yet, their characters become so clearly defined, they evolve over the trilogy, they learn, they grow, they regress and in the end, they're excruciatingly real and flawed. Sunrise in particular really resonated with me. When I was 25, I backpacked around Europe, often aimlessly the way Jesse does here. I considered myself worldly and intelligent (in hindsight, I didn't know shit) and did my best to project that as best as possible, to avoid the "ignorant American" cliche, which is something that Ethan Hawke's Jesse is keenly aware of. I met people that became long-lasting friends, some were women that I had a great time with and one in particular that I really felt a strong connection with, not unlike what happens in Sunrise. But I often went to places with no real agenda, just wanted to soak them in. I'll end up at a museum here, a random show there, a walk down the river, a bite to eat, and amazing personal interludes all along the way. Heightening the charisma and connection between the two leads in Sunrise is the city of Vienna itself, which is a vibrant character in the film, as is Linklater's obvious literary appreciation - there are Ulysses references EVERYWHERE, the film even takes place on Bloomsday - and their first kiss occurs on the ferris wheel from The Third Man. While the ending is beautiful and heartbreaking, there's one scene earlier on where the characters are in the listening booth at the record store. They're still learning about each other, listening to a song, there's no dialogue and for 2 minutes or they're just smiling, feeling out the moment, taking turns looking at each other but not trying to get caught doing so, it's excellent in its simplicity, and effortless in its complexity. And that's what this trilogy is. It's simple yet complex. Just two actors, walking through the streets, their conversations revealing everything about themselves. There's some exposition here and there but mostly it's done through storytelling. Lines in Midnight echo similar lines told in Sunrise, as if Sunrise is predicting what will ultimately happen to our characters in Midnight (which it kinda does). You feel for these characters because everyone has had that "one that got away" type of situation, everyone has fought with a loved one, everyone has questioned what it means to love and how that love changes over the years. I liked Sunset the best because I'm a sucker for stories told in real time, and the city of Paris is the perfect backdrop for the way the story evolves here. Reunited at last, it's awkward at first between the two, and each character puts up a sort of wall that slowly erodes over the course of the 80 minute runtime, culminating in one of the most satisfying endings that I've perhaps ever seen in a love story told on film. One other interesting tidbit I found is that you can watch Linklater mature as a filmmaker when you watch all 3. Sunrise is great but you can tell where Linklater has yet to hone his craft as a director. Sunset is a much crisper story and it's the "cleanest" of the 3 movies, in terms of where the characters start, and where they end up. Midnight is a master class in showing when the characters are aligned and when they're at odds and the third act is probably the single best "fight" I've ever seen two characters have. It's not just a straight line where things start out simple and then escalate to a point of no return and that's it. Here, things are fine, then an inciting incident, they fight, things simmer down, a character says something that re-starts the fight, things simmer down again, they drink a glass of wine, and then things go to 11. As that's how people fight in the real world, it feels so lived in and all the more harrowing. Plus, where Linklater is maturing, I feel myself maturing as a viewer. Not over the course of the past 3 days, but if I saw Sunrise when it came out (when I was 16), there's no way I would have enjoyed it. "Boring, stupid, nothing happens" would have been my thoughts. But now, I'm 41. I've loved, I've lost, I've yearned, I've traveled, I've met people who, even for just one night, felt like great friends and we really understood each other. Maybe it's the fact that we knew our time was finite, we made it count. Anyway, that was a ramble and I doubt anyone read all the way to the bottom but I needed a place to get my thoughts out. My wife certainly isn't interested in listening to me wax poetic with my amateur thoughts on film analysis and story structure so you guys are it! EDIT: Slacker, Waking Life (a widely unseen gem) and School of Rock are also great, just didn't fit into the narrative I was going for here.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Nov 30, 2020 18:02:43 GMT
I was all in on the show. Until the last season.
Without spoilers, both Arya and Bran's storylines will be crucial in the end. But neither are very well done. Deus ex machina.
If you go back and watch a random episode from seasons 1 - 4, it's rather stark (hah!) how much better it was than what it ultimately turned into in the last 2 seasons. Those earlier entries are riddled with great writing, nuanced character development, a complex but easy-to-follow story and great performances all around. The action sequences are terrific (Battle of Blackwater still holds up) but it's everything that preceded them that makes their stakes felt and the consequences palpable on both sides. It subsequently turned into a caricature of itself. I loved the fact that the show had the balls to kill off the protagonist, again and again. I always wondered how much influence George RR had over the last 2-3 seasons. Did he really want Tyrion to become what he became? Or Danerys? Or didn't he know himself. I think Martin just kept cashing his check from HBO and quit on ASOIAF. Fucker, the books were great. I'm not a fan of stuff like this, count me as one of the few who did not like Lord of the Rings. But this caught me. I was so gobsmacked by the ending of Hardhome. And almost vomited at the end.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Nov 30, 2020 18:10:43 GMT
If you go back and watch a random episode from seasons 1 - 4, it's rather stark (hah!) how much better it was than what it ultimately turned into in the last 2 seasons. Those earlier entries are riddled with great writing, nuanced character development, a complex but easy-to-follow story and great performances all around. The action sequences are terrific (Battle of Blackwater still holds up) but it's everything that preceded them that makes their stakes felt and the consequences palpable on both sides. It subsequently turned into a caricature of itself. I loved the fact that the show had the balls to kill off the protagonist, again and again. I always wondered how much influence George RR had over the last 2-3 seasons. Did he really want Tyrion to become what he became? Or Danerys? Or didn't he know himself. I think Martin just kept cashing his check from HBO and quit on ASOIAF. Fucker, the books were great. I'm not a fan of stuff like this, count me as one of the few who did not like Lord of the Rings. But this caught me. I was so gobsmacked by the ending of Hardhome. And almost vomited at the end.
I think Hardhome is the single best episode they ever did, but the white walker storyline ultimately went nowhere. I don't need every single loose end tied up for me, but how about a single loose end? I do like LOTR though.
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