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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Nov 30, 2020 18:30:16 GMT
I loved the fact that the show had the balls to kill off the protagonist, again and again. I always wondered how much influence George RR had over the last 2-3 seasons. Did he really want Tyrion to become what he became? Or Danerys? Or didn't he know himself. I think Martin just kept cashing his check from HBO and quit on ASOIAF. Fucker, the books were great. I'm not a fan of stuff like this, count me as one of the few who did not like Lord of the Rings. But this caught me. I was so gobsmacked by the ending of Hardhome. And almost vomited at the end.
I think Hardhome is the single best episode they ever did, but the white walker storyline ultimately went nowhere. I don't need every single loose end tied up for me, but how about a single loose end? I do like LOTR though. Did you ever read the books? The White Walkers are mentioned but barely encountered. And the Night King is someone totally different. The WW were great, up to a point. But ubervillians who have no personality are a snoozefest. Like the cylons on the original Battlestar Galactica.
I like the LOTR books. I remember staying up all night reading the Battle at the gates of Minas Tirith and screaming "YES, fucking A!" when the King of the Ringwraiths was killed and scared my girlfriend to death. But the movies, meh.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 30, 2020 20:52:56 GMT
I loved the fact that the show had the balls to kill off the protagonist, again and again. I always wondered how much influence George RR had over the last 2-3 seasons. Did he really want Tyrion to become what he became? Or Danerys? Or didn't he know himself. I think Martin just kept cashing his check from HBO and quit on ASOIAF. Fucker, the books were great. I'm not a fan of stuff like this, count me as one of the few who did not like Lord of the Rings. But this caught me. I was so gobsmacked by the ending of Hardhome. And almost vomited at the end.
I think Hardhome is the single best episode they ever did, but the white walker storyline ultimately went nowhere. I don't need every single loose end tied up for me, but how about a single loose end? I do like LOTR though. That and Battle of the Bastards are the two best episodes.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 30, 2020 20:56:05 GMT
If you go back and watch a random episode from seasons 1 - 4, it's rather stark (hah!) how much better it was than what it ultimately turned into in the last 2 seasons. Those earlier entries are riddled with great writing, nuanced character development, a complex but easy-to-follow story and great performances all around. The action sequences are terrific (Battle of Blackwater still holds up) but it's everything that preceded them that makes their stakes felt and the consequences palpable on both sides. It subsequently turned into a caricature of itself. I loved the fact that the show had the balls to kill off the protagonist, again and again. I always wondered how much influence George RR had over the last 2-3 seasons. Did he really want Tyrion to become what he became? Or Danerys? Or didn't he know himself. I think Martin just kept cashing his check from HBO and quit on ASOIAF. Fucker, the books were great. I'm not a fan of stuff like this, count me as one of the few who did not like Lord of the Rings. But this caught me. I was so gobsmacked by the ending of Hardhome. And almost vomited at the end.
I think Danerys was always going to go nuts in George's mind. How they got there would've been much better handled if the books were veer finished (which they never will be). The first three bokks were great, AFFC starts to fall off (though it still has some great stuff) and ADWD is boring as hell. The worst part is the story keeps splintering off in ten different directions when it should be coming together with only two volumes left.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Nov 30, 2020 20:56:08 GMT
I think Hardhome is the single best episode they ever did, but the white walker storyline ultimately went nowhere. I don't need every single loose end tied up for me, but how about a single loose end? I do like LOTR though. Did you ever read the books? The White Walkers are mentioned but barely encountered. And the Night King is someone totally different. The WW were great, up to a point. But ubervillians who have no personality are a snoozefest. Like the cylons on the original Battlestar Galactica.
I like the LOTR books. I remember staying up all night reading the Battle at the gates of Minas Tirith and screaming "YES, fucking A!" when the King of the Ringwraiths was killed and scared my girlfriend to death. But the movies, meh.
I read the first book many years ago, before the show came out and that was it. Not really my cup of tea when it comes to reading but I enjoyed it for the most part. That was it though.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 30, 2020 20:57:33 GMT
I was all in on the show. Until the last season.
Without spoilers, both Arya and Bran's storylines will be crucial in the end. But neither are very well done. Deus ex machina.
If you go back and watch a random episode from seasons 1 - 4, it's rather stark (hah!) how much better it was than what it ultimately turned into in the last 2 seasons. Those earlier entries are riddled with great writing, nuanced character development, a complex but easy-to-follow story and great performances all around. The action sequences are terrific (Battle of Blackwater still holds up) but it's everything that preceded them that makes their stakes felt and the consequences palpable on both sides. It subsequently turned into a caricature of itself. And it's no coincidence that the writing starts to fall apart the farther the show got ahead of the books. D&D went from adapting a finished work to adapting plot notes, and it shows.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Nov 30, 2020 21:02:49 GMT
I loved the fact that the show had the balls to kill off the protagonist, again and again. I always wondered how much influence George RR had over the last 2-3 seasons. Did he really want Tyrion to become what he became? Or Danerys? Or didn't he know himself. I think Martin just kept cashing his check from HBO and quit on ASOIAF. Fucker, the books were great. I'm not a fan of stuff like this, count me as one of the few who did not like Lord of the Rings. But this caught me. I was so gobsmacked by the ending of Hardhome. And almost vomited at the end.
I think Danerys was always going to go nuts in George's mind. How they got there would've been much better handled if the books were veer finished (which they never will be). The first three bokks were great, AFFC starts to fall off (though it still has some great stuff) and ADWD is boring as hell. The worst part is the story keeps splintering off in ten different directions when it should be coming together with only two volumes left. The Targaryans (sp?) were a gamble. You either got a really good one or a really bad one. I thought that Danerys would be a good one at first, because of her father and brother. The family was due for a good one. And I didn't know the big Targaryan secret (well, I suspected). But she went from the Breaker of Chains to the Mad Queen too fast.
Of course, everything went too fast.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Nov 30, 2020 21:07:14 GMT
Did you ever read the books? The White Walkers are mentioned but barely encountered. And the Night King is someone totally different. The WW were great, up to a point. But ubervillians who have no personality are a snoozefest. Like the cylons on the original Battlestar Galactica.
I like the LOTR books. I remember staying up all night reading the Battle at the gates of Minas Tirith and screaming "YES, fucking A!" when the King of the Ringwraiths was killed and scared my girlfriend to death. But the movies, meh.
I read the first book many years ago, before the show came out and that was it. Not really my cup of tea when it comes to reading but I enjoyed it for the most part. That was it though. The books have a lot more to them (most novels adapted for TV do). They drag in places. Why didn't the TV show put Lady Stoneheart in. Oooooooh that pissed me off.
Google her.
I doubt that fat fuck will ever finish the series. He got his big payday. A-ss-ho-le
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Nov 30, 2020 21:15:25 GMT
I'm on Season 6 Episode 6
Seems like you're a fan and know a lot about the show
Curious as to who your least favorite characters are and the worst storylines according to you
I'm having a hard time getting through the blind Stark girl - as she's being mentored/tutored by what it seems is weaklings as she's stating - 'I am nobody'. Do you remember this? Just going on for episodes.......this kid was a warrior - sad to see her role reduced to this 'filler' it seems just to give the character some air time
*** Edit - another storyline I'm having a hard time getting through - the Stark Kids in the woods the kid's eyes black over - he's talking to an old guy wrapped in trees - for episodes and episodes and episodes - OOF - bad cinema - where is this going? When will it end?
I agree about those two storylines - they bugged the hell out of me as well. In general I wish everything that is supernatural had been dialed down. I always thought the “political” intrigues were far more interesting. Twin Peaks had this same problem x1,000,000
None the less I'm enjoying it - on Season 8 Episode 2
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 1, 2020 11:48:30 GMT
'Backcountry' Two campers get lost in the wood and are tracked by a man eating bear Loved 'The Edge' and 'The Grey' - let's give it a whirl
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 1, 2020 12:53:56 GMT
'Backcountry' Two campers get lost in the wood and are tracked by a man eating bear Loved 'The Edge' and 'The Grey' - let's give it a whirl The Edge is fantastic, The Grey is boring as hell. I didn't even stick around for the post-credit scene and it wouldn't have changed my mind.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Dec 1, 2020 12:57:01 GMT
'Backcountry' Two campers get lost in the wood and are tracked by a man eating bear Loved 'The Edge' and 'The Grey' - let's give it a whirl I thought it was decent enough for a low budget survival horror/thriller. It was clearly a small movie but it didn't feel totally hindered by that and still seemed professional in what must have been a very difficult production. But I'm kinda struggling to recall any plot details. I feel like the achievement of making that movie was more memorable than anything in the script.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Dec 1, 2020 13:00:40 GMT
'Backcountry' Two campers get lost in the wood and are tracked by a man eating bear Loved 'The Edge' and 'The Grey' - let's give it a whirl The Edge is fantastic, The Grey is boring as hell. I didn't even stick around for the post-credit scene and it wouldn't have changed my mind. I kinda liked The Grey. The dialogue is terrible and wolves do not behave like that, and the cliche of the lead character being on the edge of suicide until he has to fight for his life and his buddies is pretty tired, but I thought it nailed that desolate tone and bleak atmosphere. If a better writer took a pass at the script it might have really been something good. As it stands I think it's decent.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 1, 2020 13:03:15 GMT
'Backcountry' Two campers get lost in the wood and are tracked by a man eating bear Loved 'The Edge' and 'The Grey' - let's give it a whirl The Edge is fantastic, The Grey is boring as hell. I didn't even stick around for the post-credit scene and it wouldn't have changed my mind. I used to love getting this debate going on the old IMDB (used to put it on the horror board - because I could tie in horror elements) - which was better 'The Edge' or 'The Grey'
I love them both
The Grey's ending punched me in the gut when he's looking at the pic of his dead wife - love the musical score to the ending scene -
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 1, 2020 13:05:12 GMT
'Backcountry' Two campers get lost in the wood and are tracked by a man eating bear Loved 'The Edge' and 'The Grey' - let's give it a whirl I thought it was decent enough for a low budget survival horror/thriller. It was clearly a small movie but it didn't feel totally hindered by that and still seemed professional in what must have been a very difficult production. But I'm kinda struggling to recall any plot details. I feel like the achievement of making that movie was more memorable than anything in the script. Got about 15 minutes left
Enjoyable enough
Pales in comparison to The Edge and The Grey - wouldn't give this one a watch again - but it held my interest
Like you stated - decent enough for a low budget survival flick
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 1, 2020 13:09:18 GMT
The Edge is fantastic, The Grey is boring as hell. I didn't even stick around for the post-credit scene and it wouldn't have changed my mind. I used to love getting this debate going on the old IMDB (used to put it on the horror board - because I could tie in horror elements) - which was better 'The Edge' or 'The Grey'
I love them both
The Grey's ending punched me in the gut when he's looking at the pic of his dead wife - love the musical score to the ending scene -
Not gonna lie, that made me want to watch it again. Maybe I was in the wrong mood when I saw it in the theater.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 1, 2020 13:10:22 GMT
The Edge is fantastic, The Grey is boring as hell. I didn't even stick around for the post-credit scene and it wouldn't have changed my mind. I kinda liked The Grey. The dialogue is terrible and wolves do not behave like that, and the cliche of the lead character being on the edge of suicide until he has to fight for his life and his buddies is pretty tired, but I thought it nailed that desolate tone and bleak atmosphere. If a better writer took a pass at the script it might have really been something good. As it stands I think it's decent. It had a great premise, but it fell flat for me for some reason. Can't quite put my finger on it. I might revisit it this winter.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 1, 2020 15:40:05 GMT
I kinda liked The Grey. The dialogue is terrible and wolves do not behave like that, and the cliche of the lead character being on the edge of suicide until he has to fight for his life and his buddies is pretty tired, but I thought it nailed that desolate tone and bleak atmosphere. If a better writer took a pass at the script it might have really been something good. As it stands I think it's decent. It had a great premise, but it fell flat for me for some reason. Can't quite put my finger on it. I might revisit it this winter. One of your favorite movies is on IFC right now - 'Road to Perdition'
The story of a murderer/killer who takes the lives of innocent people - but it's all OK - because after all - he does it to support his family
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 1, 2020 15:53:55 GMT
It had a great premise, but it fell flat for me for some reason. Can't quite put my finger on it. I might revisit it this winter. One of your favorite movies is on IFC right now - 'Road to Perdition'
The story of a murderer/killer who takes the lives of innocent people - but it's all OK - because after all - he does it to support his family He isn't a good person, this is rammed home in the son's voiceover at the end. "When people ask me if Michael Sullivan was a good man, or if there was just no good in him at all; I always give the same answer. I just tell them he was my father." He's not as shitty as the other characters in the world he operates in, and you root for him over those guys because he's one of the protagonists-- but nobody ever claims he's purely 'good' from a moral standpoint. It's weird that you're so hung up on this. It bothers you that I like a movie about a low level gangster and his son? 90% of your posts in this thread are about horror movies where idiots are sliced to bits by creatures or masked goons. I was listening to the score yesterday and thinking I need to rewatch the flick, it's been a while.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 1, 2020 15:55:22 GMT
One of your favorite movies is on IFC right now - 'Road to Perdition'
The story of a murderer/killer who takes the lives of innocent people - but it's all OK - because after all - he does it to support his family He isn't a good person, this is rammed home in the son's voiceover at the end. "When people ask me if Michael Sullivan was a good man, or if there was just no good in him at all; I always give the same answer. I just tell them he was my father." He's not as shitty as the other characters in the world he operates in, and you root for him over those guys because he's one of the protagonists-- but nobody ever claims he's purely 'good' from a moral standpoint. It's weird that you're so hung up on this. It bothers you that I like a movie about a low level gangster and his son? 90% of your posts in this thread are about horror movies where idiots are sliced to bits by creatures or masked goons. I was listening to the score yesterday and thinking I need to rewatch the flick, it's been a while. I bet you thought Tony Soprano was a good man too, eh?
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Post by masterofallgoons on Dec 1, 2020 16:08:41 GMT
He isn't a good person, this is rammed home in the son's voiceover at the end. "When people ask me if Michael Sullivan was a good man, or if there was just no good in him at all; I always give the same answer. I just tell them he was my father." He's not as shitty as the other characters in the world he operates in, and you root for him over those guys because he's one of the protagonists-- but nobody ever claims he's purely 'good' from a moral standpoint. It's weird that you're so hung up on this. It bothers you that I like a movie about a low level gangster and his son? 90% of your posts in this thread are about horror movies where idiots are sliced to bits by creatures or masked goons. I was listening to the score yesterday and thinking I need to rewatch the flick, it's been a while. I bet you thought Tony Soprano was a good man too, eh?
I know this is one of those things you've made part of your shtick, but don't you love Breaking Bad? Not a lot of logic to the joke.
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