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Post by klawrencio79 on Dec 9, 2020 1:10:43 GMT
Watched Colo(u)r out of Space. Atmospheric Nic Cage horror film based on an HP Lovecraft short story. Didn’t really understand the ending. It's wild, right? I'm not really into Nicolas Cage, but the writer/director Richard Stanley is a fascinating character, and it's super impressive that this was his first movie in almost 30 years. It doesn't all work, but I felt like it earned the right to go off the rails into cosmic bewilderment at the end. He's planning on doing two more Lovecraft adaptations to make this like a loose Lovecraft trilogy. I'm with you guys. I also watched this last week and I didn't really understand it, but it was so batshit and had so much visual appeal that I was pretty happy with it.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 9, 2020 14:21:41 GMT
So my wife and I introduced our son to the Home Alone movies (original 2 with MC, not that other crap) this week. Not surprisingly, he loves them. I hadn't seen them in at least 25 years, so it was fun to revisit. I'd forgotten how much I liked the original, or maybe I like it more now that I have a son of my own? I don't want to deconstruct the plot holes because that's been done to death and honestly isn't as fun. Instead I'll delve into another topic that's been done to death, but we'll come back to it.
One topic I often bring up regarding children's fare is the content that wouldn't be allowed by today's standards. There isn't a ton in the first one, though the grown men constantly saying they're "going to kill that kid" would probably be rewritten, along with Pesci saying he was going to rip off Kevin's balls (even though they used 'cojones' instead). Some of the traps Kevin sets are extremely dangerous, but it's cartoon violence and I don't think they'd change too much.
The sequel has a ton of wild stuff. Kevin recites some line Uncle Frank said about why Kevin shouldn't see him naked, then Kevin sneaks into the bathroom anyway and records the guy singing in the shower, ending with Frank realizing he's in there and calling him a pervert. All of this is to set up a later scene in the film where Kevin uses the recording, but it's feels forced and incredibly awkward. The violence is ratcheted up ten notches in the sequel, and while hilarious, there's a ton of stuff they wouldn't put into a live action comedy for kids these days. Kevin is seen using flammable material and high voltage electricity for gags here, not ideas parents want to put into their kids' heads. Look, it's up to you to teach your kid not to be a moron, and I'm not personally saying I have an issue with the content; I'm just saying they probably wouldn't do it today.
The original didn't need a sequel, and 2 was purely a cash grab (all sequels are, blah blah), but it's amazing how unoriginal the script is. It's a beat for beat remake, even rehashing lines from the original. The pigeon lady is a stand in for Old Man Marley, the hotel staff falls for the same routine Kevin used on the pizza guy, etc. "I made my family disappear," turns into, "I'm alone in New York." There are some key differences surrounding the carbon copy final act, but again I'll get back to that.
Another thing that stood out to me this time was how over the top they went in the sequel. There's a point where Harry and Marv have smooshed in prosthetic noses; hell, Marv gets electrocuted to the point of literally turning into a skeleton on screen for a moment. I know you throw physics out of the window in physical comedy, but that took me out of the movie. At that point it is a cartoon, and reality no longer applies. Godzilla could show up and eat the burglars, what kind of story are we telling here?
After alluding to it several times, allow me to circle back to something. The violence particularly in the second film has been analyzed and overanalyzed from every possible angle, but I can't talk about these films without spending some time on this topic. In the original, the pranks range from mild inconvenience, to serious injury inducing, to potentially deadly. In the sequel, every trap is not just potentially but almost certainly lethal.
Kevin starts off by throwing bricks from the roof of a four story building. He lights a man's head on fire (a nod to the original) and then gives him the option of putting it out in a toilet filled with kerosene (which results in an explosion). Marv kicks open the front door and falls face first onto the basement floor. In a particularly sadistic move, Keven is seen turning up the voltage as Marv is being electrocuted (resulting in the previously mentioned skeleton cameo). He recreates the paint can maneuver from the original, but adds a 12" diameter pipe to the equation (which again knocks them down the first floor stairs into the basement-- then the pipe comes loose and lands on top of them. Finally, Kevin uses a kerosene coated rope to climb down the building to escape, and when Harry & Marv try to follow, he lights the rope on fire with an evil smile while cheerfully saying, "Merry Christmas." Needless to say, they fall at least three stories, through some scaffolding and onto the ground.
Those aren't even all the traps (he also pushes a six foot tall loaded tool chest down the stairs, which crashes through a door and gives them those goofy bent prosthetic noses), but you get the point. The best part? Unlike the original, Kevin isn't defending his home. There's no reason for him to do any of this. He starts off this sequence by alerting Harry & Marv that he has pictures of them robbing the store. He could've just called the police (in advance-- Marv told Kevin what they were going to do earlier in the movie). But that's not good enough. Kevin wants to torture these mother fuckers. That "Merry Christmas" as he lights the rope on fire is now one of my all time favorite line deliveries.
Lost in all of this (again, throw out the logistics of how a 9 year old could set this up, alone) is that Kevin is not only criminally insane, but he has to have at least a 180 IQ to come up with all of this, stage it, and execute it on the fly in a very limited timeframe. There's a fan theory that Kevin goes on to become Jigsaw from the Saw franchise, and after rewatching these films, that definitely tracks. Also lost in all of this: Harry and Marv are nigh indestructible human beings. Any one of those traps probably should've killed them, that they survived them all is the real Christmas miracle hidden in these films.
We discussed the Jigsaw theory, but what I like to do when I watch non-action movies is imagine film characters as government operatives. Kevin would grow up to be the world's greatest counter-intel agent, and Harry & Marv are perfect fodder for all kinds of non-specific intelligence operations. You want to throw them on Delta, but these guys couldn't accomplish an objective if you told them to order a pizza. Sure they're unkillable, and they could survive whatever level of interrogation was thrown at them, but they're still a liability because they're stupid as shit. (Whatever their real mission, don't tell Marv because that guy sings like a canary.) Maybe you drop them into third world countries to destabilize an already precarious situation. I think that's the Home Alone sequel I want. Harry and Marv screw the pooch in Whereveristan, and who else but Kevin McCallister to lead the extraction. (That would be a hell of a moment for them; like when Arnold shows up in the asylum and tells Sarah Connor, "Come with me if you want to live.")
Oh, and I forgot how good the Home Alone theme song is. That didn't really fit anywhere else in my write up, but it was worth mentioning.
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Post by sdm3 on Dec 9, 2020 14:32:03 GMT
I don't think anybody has ever given this much thought to Home Alone 2 - including the filmmakers.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Dec 9, 2020 14:58:32 GMT
So my wife and I introduced our son to the Home Alone movies (original 2 with MC, not that other crap) this week. Not surprisingly, he loves them. I hadn't seen them in at least 25 years, so it was fun to revisit. I'd forgotten how much I liked the original, or maybe I like it more now that I have a son of my own? I don't want to deconstruct the plot holes because that's been done to death and honestly isn't as fun. Instead I'll delve into another topic that's been done to death, but we'll come back to it. One topic I often bring up regarding children's fare is the content that wouldn't be allowed by today's standards. There isn't a ton in the first one, though the grown men constantly saying they're "going to kill that kid" would probably be rewritten, along with Pesci saying he was going to rip off Kevin's balls (even though they used 'cojones' instead). Some of the traps Kevin sets are extremely dangerous, but it's cartoon violence and I don't think they'd change too much. The sequel has a ton of wild stuff. Kevin recites some line Uncle Frank said about why Kevin shouldn't see him naked, then Kevin sneaks into the bathroom anyway and records the guy singing in the shower, ending with Frank realizing he's in there and calling him a pervert. All of this is to set up a later scene in the film where Kevin uses the recording, but it's feels forced and incredibly awkward. The violence is ratcheted up ten notches in the sequel, and while hilarious, there's a ton of stuff they wouldn't put into a live action comedy for kids these days. Kevin is seen using flammable material and high voltage electricity for gags here, not ideas parents want to put into their kids' heads. Look, it's up to you to teach your kid not to be a moron, and I'm not personally saying I have an issue with the content; I'm just saying they probably wouldn't do it today. The original didn't need a sequel, and 2 was purely a cash grab (all sequels are, blah blah), but it's amazing how unoriginal the script is. It's a beat for beat remake, even rehashing lines from the original. The pigeon lady is a stand in for Old Man Marley, the hotel staff falls for the same routine Kevin used on the pizza guy, etc. "I made my family disappear," turns into, "I'm alone in New York." There are some key differences surrounding the carbon copy final act, but again I'll get back to that. Another thing that stood out to me this time was how over the top they went in the sequel. There's a point where Harry and Marv have smooshed in prosthetic noses; hell, Marv gets electrocuted to the point of literally turning into a skeleton on screen for a moment. I know you throw physics out of the window in physical comedy, but that took me out of the movie. At that point it is a cartoon, and reality no longer applies. Godzilla could show up and eat the burglars, what kind of story are we telling here? After alluding to it several times, allow me to circle back to something. The violence particularly in the second film has been analyzed and overanalyzed from every possible angle, but I can't talk about these films without spending some time on this topic. In the original, the pranks range from mild inconvenience, to serious injury inducing, to potentially deadly. In the sequel, every trap is not just potentially but almost certainly lethal. Kevin starts off by throwing bricks from the roof of a four story building. He lights a man's head on fire (a nod to the original) and then gives him the option of putting it out in a toilet filled with kerosene (which results in an explosion). Marv kicks open the front door and falls face first onto the basement floor. In a particularly sadistic move, Keven is seen turning up the voltage as Marv is being electrocuted (resulting in the previously mentioned skeleton cameo). He recreates the paint can maneuver from the original, but adds a 12" diameter pipe to the equation (which again knocks them down the first floor stairs into the basement-- then the pipe comes loose and lands on top of them. Finally, Kevin uses a kerosene coated rope to climb down the building to escape, and when Harry & Marv try to follow, he lights the rope on fire with an evil smile while cheerfully saying, "Merry Christmas." Needless to say, they fall at least three stories, through some scaffolding and onto the ground. Those aren't even all the traps (he also pushes a six foot tall loaded tool chest down the stairs, which crashes through a door and gives them those goofy bent prosthetic noses), but you get the point. The best part? Unlike the original, Kevin isn't defending his home. There's no reason for him to do any of this. He starts off this sequence by alerting Harry & Marv that he has pictures of them robbing the store. He could've just called the police (in advance-- Marv told Kevin what they were going to do earlier in the movie). But that's not good enough. Kevin wants to torture these mother fuckers. That "Merry Christmas" as he lights the rope on fire is now one of my all time favorite line deliveries. Lost in all of this (again, throw out the logistics of how a 9 year old could set this up, alone) is that Kevin is not only criminally insane, but he has to have at least a 180 IQ to come up with all of this, stage it, and execute it on the fly in a very limited timeframe. There's a fan theory that Kevin goes on to become Jigsaw from the Saw franchise, and after rewatching these films, that definitely tracks. Also lost in all of this: Harry and Marv are nigh indestructible human beings. Any one of those traps probably should've killed them, that they survived them all is the real Christmas miracle hidden in these films. We discussed the Jigsaw theory, but what I like to do when I watch non-action movies is imagine film characters as government operatives. Kevin would grow up to be the world's greatest counter-intel agent, and Harry & Marv are perfect fodder for all kinds of non-specific intelligence operations. You want to throw them on Delta, but these guys couldn't accomplish an objective if you told them to order a pizza. Sure they're unkillable, and they could survive whatever level of interrogation was thrown at them, but they're still a liability because they're stupid as shit. (Whatever their real mission, don't tell Marv because that guy sings like a canary.) Maybe you drop them into third world countries to destabilize an already precarious situation. I think that's the Home Alone sequel I want. Harry and Marv screw the pooch in Whereveristan, and who else but Kevin McCallister to lead the extraction. (That would be a hell of a moment for them; like when Arnold shows up in the asylum and tells Sarah Connor, "Come with me if you want to live.") Oh, and I forgot how good the Home Alone theme song is. That didn't really fit anywhere else in my write up, but it was worth mentioning. The theory that Peter McAllister is a mafia kingpin is my personal favorite. Also amusing is the fact that Harry is seconds away from biting Kevin's fingers off when the neighbor ex machinas his way over with the shovel to save the day. If he hadn't shown up.....would Harry have literally bit Kevin's fingers off? And you mentioned it, but it deserves a rewatch for those interested:
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 9, 2020 15:42:09 GMT
The theory that Peter McAllister is a mafia kingpin is my personal favorite. Also amusing is the fact that Harry is seconds away from biting Kevin's fingers off when the neighbor ex machinas his way over with the shovel to save the day. If he hadn't shown up.....would Harry have literally bit Kevin's fingers off? And you mentioned it, but it deserves a rewatch for those interested: That video still cracks me up. I forgot to mention Harry getting launched into the air high enough to crush a car. The mafia angle would explain why they seemingly want to minimize police involvement. There's also a theory where John Candy's character is the devil. Kevin's mother offers to sell her soul to get back to her son, that's when Candy steps in and offers her a ride. That's a stretch to say the least, but I do think it's funny that it isn't quite clear what Kate has to do for the ride. Candy says, "Maybe we can help each other out," and she hitches with them back to Chicago. So...what did she have to do for that ride with a bunch of lonely men? Apparently there was an earlier draft of the first film where Uncle Frank was behind the break ins, Harry and Marv worked for him. Interesting twist, but ultimately unnecessary. Would've felt too Scooby-Dooish and the 'twist' would've taken attention away from the touching stuff about Kevin reuniting with his family.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Dec 9, 2020 15:44:47 GMT
The death of Chuck Yeager inspired me to finally watch “The Right Stuff” (1983). Not sure why I had never watched it before yesterday, even though a) the subject matter is of interest to me, b) it’s a widely well-regarded movie, and c) I’ve owned it on DVD since February 2013. Anyway, problem corrected now! I was a bit reluctant to watch it when I saw that the runtime was a bit over three hours, but I stuck with it, and I am glad I did. It’s a pretty engaging movie and the three hours just flew by (see what I did there?).
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Post by sdm3 on Dec 9, 2020 15:48:41 GMT
The theory that Peter McAllister is a mafia kingpin is my personal favorite. Also amusing is the fact that Harry is seconds away from biting Kevin's fingers off when the neighbor ex machinas his way over with the shovel to save the day. If he hadn't shown up.....would Harry have literally bit Kevin's fingers off? And you mentioned it, but it deserves a rewatch for those interested: That video still cracks me up. I forgot to mention Harry getting launched into the air high enough to crush a car. The mafia angle would explain why they seemingly want to minimize police involvement. There's also a theory where John Candy's character is the devil. Kevin's mother offers to sell her soul to get back to her son, that's when Candy steps in and offers her a ride. That's a stretch to say the least, but I do think it's funny that it isn't quite clear what Kate has to do for the ride. Candy says, "Maybe we can help each other out," and she hitches with them back to Chicago. So...what did she have to do for that ride with a bunch of lonely men? Apparently there was an earlier draft of the first film where Uncle Frank was behind the break ins, Harry and Marv worked for him. Interesting twist, but ultimately unnecessary. Would've felt too Scooby-Dooish and the 'twist' would've taken attention away from the touching stuff about Kevin reuniting with his family. I actually posted a poll on the General Discussion board asking whether people believed the parents in Home Alone were criminally negligent, or just dumb. Results were almost neck and neck. Most gave them a pass since mistakes happen, but a few wanted them locked up (hypothetically, of course). imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/202174/parents-home-1990
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Post by klawrencio79 on Dec 9, 2020 15:55:01 GMT
That video still cracks me up. I forgot to mention Harry getting launched into the air high enough to crush a car. The mafia angle would explain why they seemingly want to minimize police involvement. There's also a theory where John Candy's character is the devil. Kevin's mother offers to sell her soul to get back to her son, that's when Candy steps in and offers her a ride. That's a stretch to say the least, but I do think it's funny that it isn't quite clear what Kate has to do for the ride. Candy says, "Maybe we can help each other out," and she hitches with them back to Chicago. So...what did she have to do for that ride with a bunch of lonely men? Apparently there was an earlier draft of the first film where Uncle Frank was behind the break ins, Harry and Marv worked for him. Interesting twist, but ultimately unnecessary. Would've felt too Scooby-Dooish and the 'twist' would've taken attention away from the touching stuff about Kevin reuniting with his family. I actually posted a poll on the General Discussion board asking whether people believed the parents in Home Alone were criminally negligent, or just dumb. Results were almost neck and neck. Most gave them a pass since mistakes happen, but a few wanted them locked up (hypothetically, of course). IMDB2.freeforums.net/thread/202174/parents-home-1990 Rewatchables did a Home Alone episode recently and they mentioned something I never really noticed before (granted, it's been eons since I've watched this) - when Kate calls the police, all she says is that Kevin is home alone and they want the cops to go and check on him. That's it. Not, we're halfway around the world and won't be back for weeks, not he's been in there for days, it's actually pretty alarming how flippant she is in this one particular instance where she has someone on the line who can provide help.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 9, 2020 16:10:01 GMT
The death of Chuck Yeager inspired me to finally watch “The Right Stuff” (1983). Not sure why I had never watched it before yesterday, even though a) the subject matter is of interest to me, b) it’s a widely well-regarded movie, and c) I’ve owned it on DVD since February 2013. Anyway, problem corrected now! I was a bit reluctant to watch it when I saw that the runtime was a bit over three hours, but I stuck with it, and I am glad I did. It’s a pretty engaging movie and the three hours just flew by (see what I did there?). It's great. It's been forever since I've seen it, I was just thinking about watching it the other day. Why don't we have a fantastic Wright Brothers movie by now? All they did is change the world forever, these two guys bicycle shop guys from nowhere. It's an incredibly compelling story, not just the airplane itself, but the technology they had to invent to test their theories. Going up against corporate sponsored rivals to be first in flight; all the eventual legal haggling; they gave us the future. I have framed pictures of the Wright Glider and the Wright Flyer bought in Kitty Hawk in my sitting room. And from the dawn of humanity, for thousands of years to 1903, people dreamed of flying. After 1903, it took us less than 70 years to reach the Moon, thanks to the ingenuity and bravery of so many people. The story of aviation and space exploration is incredible. Man was not meant to fly, but we found a way. Aviation is perhaps the pinnacle of human ingenuity. It encapsulates our will to dream, and to make those dreams reality. Have you seen First Man? An underrated film that seems to have come and gone from the public consciousness. The sound design and editing in that film is unparalleled. You're in the capsule with them, you hear every rattle and clink in that tin can.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 9, 2020 16:18:20 GMT
That video still cracks me up. I forgot to mention Harry getting launched into the air high enough to crush a car. The mafia angle would explain why they seemingly want to minimize police involvement. There's also a theory where John Candy's character is the devil. Kevin's mother offers to sell her soul to get back to her son, that's when Candy steps in and offers her a ride. That's a stretch to say the least, but I do think it's funny that it isn't quite clear what Kate has to do for the ride. Candy says, "Maybe we can help each other out," and she hitches with them back to Chicago. So...what did she have to do for that ride with a bunch of lonely men? Apparently there was an earlier draft of the first film where Uncle Frank was behind the break ins, Harry and Marv worked for him. Interesting twist, but ultimately unnecessary. Would've felt too Scooby-Dooish and the 'twist' would've taken attention away from the touching stuff about Kevin reuniting with his family. I actually posted a poll on the General Discussion board asking whether people believed the parents in Home Alone were criminally negligent, or just dumb. Results were almost neck and neck. Most gave them a pass since mistakes happen, but a few wanted them locked up (hypothetically, of course). IMDB2.freeforums.net/thread/202174/parents-home-1990 Hughes does a pretty good job writing around the circumstances that would lead to Kevin being forgotten. His ticket gets thrown out after the spill at the dinner table, the kids get into two separate vans (and the nosey neighbor gets counted instead), and everyone on the flight is sitting separately. Still hard to believe literally nobody in the family notices Kevin isn't there at any time in the airport.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 9, 2020 16:22:20 GMT
I actually posted a poll on the General Discussion board asking whether people believed the parents in Home Alone were criminally negligent, or just dumb. Results were almost neck and neck. Most gave them a pass since mistakes happen, but a few wanted them locked up (hypothetically, of course). IMDB2.freeforums.net/thread/202174/parents-home-1990Rewatchables did a Home Alone episode recently and they mentioned something I never really noticed before (granted, it's been eons since I've watched this) - when Kate calls the police, all she says is that Kevin is home alone and they want the cops to go and check on him. That's it. Not, we're halfway around the world and won't be back for weeks, not he's been in there for days, it's actually pretty alarming how flippant she is in this one particular instance where she has someone on the line who can provide help. Also, the problem is that the kid is supposed to be home alone. So the cop checks on the house and nobody answers the door...so problem solved?
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Dec 9, 2020 17:15:59 GMT
The death of Chuck Yeager inspired me to finally watch “The Right Stuff” (1983). Not sure why I had never watched it before yesterday, even though a) the subject matter is of interest to me, b) it’s a widely well-regarded movie, and c) I’ve owned it on DVD since February 2013. Anyway, problem corrected now! I was a bit reluctant to watch it when I saw that the runtime was a bit over three hours, but I stuck with it, and I am glad I did. It’s a pretty engaging movie and the three hours just flew by (see what I did there?). It's great. It's been forever since I've seen it, I was just thinking about watching it the other day. Why don't we have a fantastic Wright Brothers movie by now? All they did is change the world forever, these two guys bicycle shop guys from nowhere. It's an incredibly compelling story, not just the airplane itself, but the technology they had to invent to test their theories. Going up against corporate sponsored rivals to be first in flight; all the eventual legal haggling; they gave us the future. I have framed pictures of the Wright Glider and the Wright Flyer bought in Kitty Hawk in my sitting room. And from the dawn of humanity, for thousands of years to 1903, people dreamed of flying. After 1903, it took us less than 70 years to reach the Moon, thanks to the ingenuity and bravery of so many people. The story of aviation and space exploration is incredible. Man was not meant to fly, but we found a way. Aviation is perhaps the pinnacle of human ingenuity. It encapsulates our will to dream, and to make those dreams reality. Have you seen First Man? An underrated film that seems to have come and gone from the public consciousness. The sound design and editing in that film is unparalleled. You're in the capsule with them, you hear every rattle and clink in that tin can.
I had never thought of it, but you are absolutely right, the Wright brothers’ story would be a fantastic subject for a big-budget movie. It is indeed surprising that one hasn’t been made yet. 2003 would have been a great opportunity. Maybe in 2023? I hope they don’t wait until 2053, as I might not be around to watch it then!
The brothers are mentioned in “The Right Stuff” and it occurred to me that less time had passed between their first flight and the events at the start of the movie (late 40s) than between the late 40s and now. Amazing to think of it!
Yes, I saw “First Man”. Great movie! I should watch it again one of these days.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 9, 2020 17:21:13 GMT
Cool. They seem to have a lot of non-English language TV shows nowadays. They do! It’s my favourite thing about Netflix. Off the top of my head I’ve watched shows from France, Spain, Germany, Norway, Finland, Brazil, South Korea, Japan. The next show I watch will either be “Barbarians” from Germany or “The Woods” from Poland. I gave 'The Woods' a shot after hearing about it for the first time from your post right here
Enjoyed the 1st episode and am going to stick with it
Thank you
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Post by klawrencio79 on Dec 9, 2020 17:27:42 GMT
The death of Chuck Yeager inspired me to finally watch “The Right Stuff” (1983). Not sure why I had never watched it before yesterday, even though a) the subject matter is of interest to me, b) it’s a widely well-regarded movie, and c) I’ve owned it on DVD since February 2013. Anyway, problem corrected now! I was a bit reluctant to watch it when I saw that the runtime was a bit over three hours, but I stuck with it, and I am glad I did. It’s a pretty engaging movie and the three hours just flew by (see what I did there?). It's great. It's been forever since I've seen it, I was just thinking about watching it the other day. Why don't we have a fantastic Wright Brothers movie by now? All they did is change the world forever, these two guys bicycle shop guys from nowhere. It's an incredibly compelling story, not just the airplane itself, but the technology they had to invent to test their theories. Going up against corporate sponsored rivals to be first in flight; all the eventual legal haggling; they gave us the future. I have framed pictures of the Wright Glider and the Wright Flyer bought in Kitty Hawk in my sitting room. And from the dawn of humanity, for thousands of years to 1903, people dreamed of flying. After 1903, it took us less than 70 years to reach the Moon, thanks to the ingenuity and bravery of so many people. The story of aviation and space exploration is incredible. Man was not meant to fly, but we found a way. Aviation is perhaps the pinnacle of human ingenuity. It encapsulates our will to dream, and to make those dreams reality. Have you seen First Man? An underrated film that seems to have come and gone from the public consciousness. The sound design and editing in that film is unparalleled. You're in the capsule with them, you hear every rattle and clink in that tin can. Great call on the Wright Brothers. Like Jep, I hadn't really thought of that either. It did get me thinking, however, of what is the worst biopic of all time? By "worst," I don't mean the movie sucked necessarily, but the subject of the biopic itself was just unnecessary. My mind immediately went to the two, count em 2, different Prefontaine movies, but he at least accomplished something I guess. He didn't change the world, but still, 2 still seems like overkill. EDIT: First Man is great. The backlash it received from, um, certain folks, was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. Almost as dumb as when Rush Limbaugh nearly gave himself a coronary by saying that the Batman villain Bane in Dark Knight Rises was deliberately named that as some sort of leftist dig at Mitt Romney at a time when he was running for president.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Dec 9, 2020 17:37:19 GMT
They do! It’s my favourite thing about Netflix. Off the top of my head I’ve watched shows from France, Spain, Germany, Norway, Finland, Brazil, South Korea, Japan. The next show I watch will either be “Barbarians” from Germany or “The Woods” from Poland. I gave 'The Woods' a shot after hearing about it for the first time from your post right here
Enjoyed the 1st episode and am going to stick with it
Thank you
Good, I hope you enjoy it. It's based on a Harlan Coben book. I don’t know if you are familiar with him. He writes thrillers that are always variations of the same basic story: something happens that brings danger to the protagonist or his family that is linked to a secret from the past. I’ve read and enjoyed a few of them – not fantastic prose or anything, but quite entertaining. What I find curious is that even though he is American and his stories always take place in the US, many of them were adapted for the movies or TV in other countries. You often see this the other way around – Hollywood transposing to the USA stories that originally take place somewhere else, but not the opposite. There is a French movie, “The Woods” is Polish, and there are at least three British miniseries. So if you like “The Woods”, you might be interested in “Safe”, “The Stranger” and “The Five”. Dexter stars in “Safe”.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 9, 2020 20:16:21 GMT
Trailer for the new season of Cobra Kai just dropped
Can't wait for the new season of Ozark either
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Post by masterofallgoons on Dec 9, 2020 20:36:58 GMT
It's great. It's been forever since I've seen it, I was just thinking about watching it the other day. Why don't we have a fantastic Wright Brothers movie by now? All they did is change the world forever, these two guys bicycle shop guys from nowhere. It's an incredibly compelling story, not just the airplane itself, but the technology they had to invent to test their theories. Going up against corporate sponsored rivals to be first in flight; all the eventual legal haggling; they gave us the future. I have framed pictures of the Wright Glider and the Wright Flyer bought in Kitty Hawk in my sitting room. And from the dawn of humanity, for thousands of years to 1903, people dreamed of flying. After 1903, it took us less than 70 years to reach the Moon, thanks to the ingenuity and bravery of so many people. The story of aviation and space exploration is incredible. Man was not meant to fly, but we found a way. Aviation is perhaps the pinnacle of human ingenuity. It encapsulates our will to dream, and to make those dreams reality. Have you seen First Man? An underrated film that seems to have come and gone from the public consciousness. The sound design and editing in that film is unparalleled. You're in the capsule with them, you hear every rattle and clink in that tin can. Great call on the Wright Brothers. Like Jep, I hadn't really thought of that either. It did get me thinking, however, of what is the worst biopic of all time? By "worst," I don't mean the movie sucked necessarily, but the subject of the biopic itself was just unnecessary. My mind immediately went to the two, count em 2, different Prefontaine movies, but he at least accomplished something I guess. He didn't change the world, but still, 2 still seems like overkill. EDIT: First Man is great. The backlash it received from, um, certain folks, was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. Almost as dumb as when Rush Limbaugh nearly gave himself a coronary by saying that the Batman villain Bane in Dark Knight Rises was deliberately named that as some sort of leftist dig at Mitt Romney at a time when he was running for president. I'd say the 'worst' biopic movies are my favorite biopic. My music bios, for instance, are rigidly and painfully formulaic and are generally dull excused to use songs and show that actors can do impressions. But look at anything that Scott Alexander and Larry Karazewski have written and you'll generally find people that wouldn't traditionally warrant a big Hollywood movie, and yet they're largely more interesting stories than most biopic. From Ed Wood (my go-to standard answer for the annoying question of 'what's your favorite movie) to The People vs Larry Flynt to Dolomite is My Name, most recently; they take these much more humble subjects and make their stories compelling by finding an original angle on the typical formula. Haven't seen First Man yet, and I'm not entirely sure which moment the supposed 'backlash' came from, but I have an idea. And that tidbit about Rush Limbaugh is fucking hilarious.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Dec 9, 2020 20:48:59 GMT
Great call on the Wright Brothers. Like Jep, I hadn't really thought of that either. It did get me thinking, however, of what is the worst biopic of all time? By "worst," I don't mean the movie sucked necessarily, but the subject of the biopic itself was just unnecessary. My mind immediately went to the two, count em 2, different Prefontaine movies, but he at least accomplished something I guess. He didn't change the world, but still, 2 still seems like overkill. EDIT: First Man is great. The backlash it received from, um, certain folks, was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. Almost as dumb as when Rush Limbaugh nearly gave himself a coronary by saying that the Batman villain Bane in Dark Knight Rises was deliberately named that as some sort of leftist dig at Mitt Romney at a time when he was running for president. I'd say the 'worst' biopic movies are my favorite biopic. My music bios, for instance, are rigidly and painfully formulaic and are generally dull excused to use songs and show that actors can do impressions. But look at anything that Scott Alexander and Larry Karazewski have written and you'll generally find people that wouldn't traditionally warrant a big Hollywood movie, and yet they're largely more interesting stories than most biopic. From Ed Wood (my go-to standard answer for the annoying question of 'what's your favorite movie) to The People vs Larry Flynt to Dolomite is My Name, most recently; they take these much more humble subjects and make their stories compelling by finding an original angle on the typical formula. Haven't seen First Man yet, and I'm not entirely sure which moment the supposed 'backlash' came from, but I have an idea. And that tidbit about Rush Limbaugh is fucking hilarious. Dolomite is my Name is on my list, you recommend? It looks great.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 9, 2020 20:55:55 GMT
Just started the Showtime series Your Honor. Decent. Bryan Cranston is fantastic so far
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Post by masterofallgoons on Dec 9, 2020 20:58:49 GMT
I'd say the 'worst' biopic movies are my favorite biopic. My music bios, for instance, are rigidly and painfully formulaic and are generally dull excused to use songs and show that actors can do impressions. But look at anything that Scott Alexander and Larry Karazewski have written and you'll generally find people that wouldn't traditionally warrant a big Hollywood movie, and yet they're largely more interesting stories than most biopic. From Ed Wood (my go-to standard answer for the annoying question of 'what's your favorite movie) to The People vs Larry Flynt to Dolomite is My Name, most recently; they take these much more humble subjects and make their stories compelling by finding an original angle on the typical formula. Haven't seen First Man yet, and I'm not entirely sure which moment the supposed 'backlash' came from, but I have an idea. And that tidbit about Rush Limbaugh is fucking hilarious. Dolomite is my Name is on my list, you recommend? It looks great. Yeah it's great. It's really nice to see Eddie Murphy again, and while it's similar to Ed Wood in the sense that it's about the joy of these people making this bad cult movie, but in this case they seem to know what they're doing a little more. This guy is more self aware and self deprecating and you see a little more of his background, but the fun of making the thing is still at the core of it. It's not great work of art, but it's a guaranteed good time with a great cast and it looks at an interesting little bit of forgotten history.
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