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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 1, 2020 15:40:05 GMT
I kinda liked The Grey. The dialogue is terrible and wolves do not behave like that, and the cliche of the lead character being on the edge of suicide until he has to fight for his life and his buddies is pretty tired, but I thought it nailed that desolate tone and bleak atmosphere. If a better writer took a pass at the script it might have really been something good. As it stands I think it's decent. It had a great premise, but it fell flat for me for some reason. Can't quite put my finger on it. I might revisit it this winter. One of your favorite movies is on IFC right now - 'Road to Perdition'
The story of a murderer/killer who takes the lives of innocent people - but it's all OK - because after all - he does it to support his family 
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 1, 2020 15:53:55 GMT
It had a great premise, but it fell flat for me for some reason. Can't quite put my finger on it. I might revisit it this winter. One of your favorite movies is on IFC right now - 'Road to Perdition'
The story of a murderer/killer who takes the lives of innocent people - but it's all OK - because after all - he does it to support his family He isn't a good person, this is rammed home in the son's voiceover at the end. "When people ask me if Michael Sullivan was a good man, or if there was just no good in him at all; I always give the same answer. I just tell them he was my father." He's not as shitty as the other characters in the world he operates in, and you root for him over those guys because he's one of the protagonists-- but nobody ever claims he's purely 'good' from a moral standpoint. It's weird that you're so hung up on this. It bothers you that I like a movie about a low level gangster and his son? 90% of your posts in this thread are about horror movies where idiots are sliced to bits by creatures or masked goons. I was listening to the score yesterday and thinking I need to rewatch the flick, it's been a while.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 1, 2020 15:55:22 GMT
One of your favorite movies is on IFC right now - 'Road to Perdition'
The story of a murderer/killer who takes the lives of innocent people - but it's all OK - because after all - he does it to support his family He isn't a good person, this is rammed home in the son's voiceover at the end. "When people ask me if Michael Sullivan was a good man, or if there was just no good in him at all; I always give the same answer. I just tell them he was my father." He's not as shitty as the other characters in the world he operates in, and you root for him over those guys because he's one of the protagonists-- but nobody ever claims he's purely 'good' from a moral standpoint. It's weird that you're so hung up on this. It bothers you that I like a movie about a low level gangster and his son? 90% of your posts in this thread are about horror movies where idiots are sliced to bits by creatures or masked goons. I was listening to the score yesterday and thinking I need to rewatch the flick, it's been a while. I bet you thought Tony Soprano was a good man too, eh?
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Post by masterofallgoons on Dec 1, 2020 16:08:41 GMT
He isn't a good person, this is rammed home in the son's voiceover at the end. "When people ask me if Michael Sullivan was a good man, or if there was just no good in him at all; I always give the same answer. I just tell them he was my father." He's not as shitty as the other characters in the world he operates in, and you root for him over those guys because he's one of the protagonists-- but nobody ever claims he's purely 'good' from a moral standpoint. It's weird that you're so hung up on this. It bothers you that I like a movie about a low level gangster and his son? 90% of your posts in this thread are about horror movies where idiots are sliced to bits by creatures or masked goons. I was listening to the score yesterday and thinking I need to rewatch the flick, it's been a while. I bet you thought Tony Soprano was a good man too, eh?
I know this is one of those things you've made part of your shtick, but don't you love Breaking Bad? Not a lot of logic to the joke. |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 1, 2020 16:18:17 GMT
I bet you thought Tony Soprano was a good man too, eh?
I know this is one of those things you've made part of your shtick, but don't you love Breaking Bad? Not a lot of logic to the joke. Breaking Bad is tremendous; however Walt is an evil man
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Post by masterofallgoons on Dec 1, 2020 16:20:17 GMT
I know this is one of those things you've made part of your shtick, but don't you love Breaking Bad? Not a lot of logic to the joke. Breaking Bad is tremendous; however Walt is an evil man
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 1, 2020 16:23:56 GMT
Breaking Bad is tremendous; however Walt is an evil man
I bet you thought Tony Soprano was a good man too. Evil
There is no justification in killing
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 1, 2020 20:34:06 GMT
I agree about those two storylines - they bugged the hell out of me as well. In general I wish everything that is supernatural had been dialed down. I always thought the “political” intrigues were far more interesting. Twin Peaks had this same problem x1,000,000
None the less I'm enjoying it - on Season 8 Episode 2
Thanks, now you got me rewatching it
Got a favorite character. Sandor Clegane for me. The hound was one of the best characters in history.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 1, 2020 20:39:22 GMT
Twin Peaks had this same problem x1,000,000
None the less I'm enjoying it - on Season 8 Episode 2
Thanks, now you got me rewatching it
Got a favorite character. Sandor Clegane for me. The hound was one of the best characters in history.
I saw the first 2 seasons like a couple of years ago
Pretty much binged 3-8 over the last 4 days or so
Was free on my cable package - but I woke up this morning to 2 episodes left - 5&6 - they took the 'Free' off and you have to pay for a subscription.
Didn't watch em in time I guess - but I read up this morning and watched Youtube clips on what happened the final 2 episodes
It was a really good show - not happy with how they wrote some characters though in the final couple of years
I'm an old school wrestling fan - I'm a sucker for the good guy turning evil and vice versa; however wasn't happy with some of the character arcs
Jep mentioned about the show went too far into the supernatural which I tend to agree with a bit - maybe the should have ended it with the White Walker battle - or maybe just not even bothered with that whole storyline at all
Rewatching Twin Peaks for the zillionth time right now - it's a shame - because the same happend to that show - just went to far off into the supernatural
I didn't like the fact that Sensa turned out the way she did - nor that Bran (or however you spell it) ended up King.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Dec 1, 2020 20:49:59 GMT
3. Before Trilogy. So I think Sunset is the "best" of the 3 for reasons I'll get into below, but Sunrise stuck to my ribs in a particular way. I fancy myself as a film purist and while masterofallgoons and Jep know more about the art of it than I do, I'm a sucker for the simple things, a good script, committed performances and beautiful camerawork and that's what this entire trilogy is. This is really film in its purist form as it's just two people talking. Basically for 100 minutes, 80 minutes and 110 minutes. That's it. And yet, their characters become so clearly defined, they evolve over the trilogy, they learn, they grow, they regress and in the end, they're excruciatingly real and flawed. Very good "ramble". And thanks for the nod, but I am not sure it is warranted - while I do consider myself a cinephile and I have watched many more classics and non-Hollywood movies than the average film-goer, it is one of the great frustrations of my life that I couldn't write a decent in-depth review of a movie if my life depended on it.
"Before Sunrise" reminds me of a great Sunday I spent with an Austrian girl I met at the Youth Hostel in West Berlin (yes, it was THAT long ago). Unfortunately the sequel wasn't like "Before Sunset" - I showed up unannounced in her home town of Salzburg weeks later mistakenly assuming that she would be as happy to see me as I was looking forward to seeing her. Not my happiest memory!
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 1, 2020 21:02:09 GMT
Thanks, now you got me rewatching it
Got a favorite character. Sandor Clegane for me. The hound was one of the best characters in history.
I saw the first 2 seasons like a couple of years ago
Pretty much binged 3-8 over the last 4 days or so
Was free on my cable package - but I woke up this morning to 2 episodes left - 5&6 - they took the 'Free' off and you have to pay for a subscription.
Didn't watch em in time I guess - but I read up this morning and watched Youtube clips on what happened the final 2 episodes
It was a really good show - not happy with how they wrote some characters though in the final couple of years
I'm an old school wrestling fan - I'm a sucker for the good guy turning evil and vice versa; however wasn't happy with some of the character arcs
Jep mentioned about the show went too far into the supernatural which I tend to agree with a bit - maybe the should have ended it with the White Walker battle - or maybe just not even bothered with that whole storyline at all
Rewatching Twin Peaks for the zillionth time right now - it's a shame - because the same happend to that show - just went to far off into the supernatural
I didn't like the fact that Sensa turned out the way she did - nor that Bran (or however you spell it) ended up King.
Like I said, suff like this isn't really my cup of hot cocoa. But the missus started watching from Day One and needled me until I started watching. I was lukewarm until Ned lost his head. Then I was hooked.
I agree about the While Walkers. The books barely mention them. Not even the White Walkers but "The Others". And no Night King. The books are much more into the Westeros politics, but I guess the show needed monsters. I think The Others would have come into play a lot more in the last two books but I doubt we will ever know.
I didn't mind the way Sansa turned out. She got shit on too much and it turned her. I didn't like King Bran either. Too cute. They just couldn't do the obvious and make Aegon Targaryen/Jon Snow king. I really didn't like the way Tyrion came out in the last season. He goes from being very smart and competent to being a bumbling incompetent. He get outfoxed again and again by that goof Euron Grayjoy.
Maybe the pluses outweigh the minuses. This is my first rewatch since the show ended. There were so many great things. The wildings attacking the Wall. Blackwater Bay. Arthur Dayne v. Ned Stark et al at the Tower of Joy. The Red Wedding.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 1, 2020 21:16:34 GMT
I saw the first 2 seasons like a couple of years ago
Pretty much binged 3-8 over the last 4 days or so
Was free on my cable package - but I woke up this morning to 2 episodes left - 5&6 - they took the 'Free' off and you have to pay for a subscription.
Didn't watch em in time I guess - but I read up this morning and watched Youtube clips on what happened the final 2 episodes
It was a really good show - not happy with how they wrote some characters though in the final couple of years
I'm an old school wrestling fan - I'm a sucker for the good guy turning evil and vice versa; however wasn't happy with some of the character arcs
Jep mentioned about the show went too far into the supernatural which I tend to agree with a bit - maybe the should have ended it with the White Walker battle - or maybe just not even bothered with that whole storyline at all
Rewatching Twin Peaks for the zillionth time right now - it's a shame - because the same happend to that show - just went to far off into the supernatural
I didn't like the fact that Sensa turned out the way she did - nor that Bran (or however you spell it) ended up King.
Like I said, suff like this isn't really my cup of hot cocoa. But the missus started watching from Day One and needled me until I started watching. I was lukewarm until Ned lost his head. Then I was hooked.
I agree about the While Walkers. The books barely mention them. Not even the White Walkers but "The Others". And no Night King. The books are much more into the Westeros politics, but I guess the show needed monsters. I think The Others would have come into play a lot more in the last two books but I doubt we will ever know.
I didn't mind the way Sansa turned out. She got shit on too much and it turned her. I didn't like King Bran either. Too cute. They just couldn't do the obvious and make Aegon Targaryen/Jon Snow king. I really didn't like the way Tyrion came out in the last season. He goes from being very smart and competent to being a bumbling incompetent. He get outfoxed again and again by that goof Euron Grayjoy.
Maybe the pluses outweigh the minuses. This is my first rewatch since the show ended. There were so many great things. The wildings attacking the Wall. Blackwater Bay. Arthur Dayne v. Ned Stark et al at the Tower of Joy. The Red Wedding.
Yeah it was enjoyable
A shame there aren't more shows like this to get invested in that are currently on (at least not that I'm aware)
It's a hard to find a show you literally get excited to watch on a weekly basis - used to feel that way about Breaking Bad and the early seasons of The Walking Dead - can't think of the last time I watched an enjoyable show as it was going on during it's run
Not to be that guy - because everybody hates that guy - and I'm assuming there are a lot of other people out there that saw this coming
But did you see the Danny turn coming? I thought they dropped numerous hints the more the show went on that she was going to let power go to her head.
That's kind of the feeling I got with Sansa which I was disappointed with - I get all she had been through - but I didn't expect her to let power go to her head - she seemed very power hungry the shows final couple of years
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 1, 2020 21:19:42 GMT
I saw the first 2 seasons like a couple of years ago
Pretty much binged 3-8 over the last 4 days or so
Was free on my cable package - but I woke up this morning to 2 episodes left - 5&6 - they took the 'Free' off and you have to pay for a subscription.
Didn't watch em in time I guess - but I read up this morning and watched Youtube clips on what happened the final 2 episodes
It was a really good show - not happy with how they wrote some characters though in the final couple of years
I'm an old school wrestling fan - I'm a sucker for the good guy turning evil and vice versa; however wasn't happy with some of the character arcs
Jep mentioned about the show went too far into the supernatural which I tend to agree with a bit - maybe the should have ended it with the White Walker battle - or maybe just not even bothered with that whole storyline at all
Rewatching Twin Peaks for the zillionth time right now - it's a shame - because the same happend to that show - just went to far off into the supernatural
I didn't like the fact that Sensa turned out the way she did - nor that Bran (or however you spell it) ended up King.
Like I said, suff like this isn't really my cup of hot cocoa. But the missus started watching from Day One and needled me until I started watching. I was lukewarm until Ned lost his head. Then I was hooked.
I agree about the While Walkers. The books barely mention them. Not even the White Walkers but "The Others". And no Night King. The books are much more into the Westeros politics, but I guess the show needed monsters. I think The Others would have come into play a lot more in the last two books but I doubt we will ever know.
I didn't mind the way Sansa turned out. She got shit on too much and it turned her. I didn't like King Bran either. Too cute. They just couldn't do the obvious and make Aegon Targaryen/Jon Snow king. I really didn't like the way Tyrion came out in the last season. He goes from being very smart and competent to being a bumbling incompetent. He get outfoxed again and again by that goof Euron Grayjoy.
Maybe the pluses outweigh the minuses. This is my first rewatch since the show ended. There were so many great things. The wildings attacking the Wall. Blackwater Bay. Arthur Dayne v. Ned Stark et al at the Tower of Joy. The Red Wedding.
I wouldn't go that far. They become more significant as the books go on, but we still don't know how much of an impact they have in that narrative. My guess is it'll be even more impactful than what we got on the show, where they build them up as an unstoppable juggernaut and dispatch them in a single battle. I think they changed it to White Walkers from 'The Others' due to the popularity of LOST. Too similar. Great name change, by the way. The final two seasons were a mess, and they didn't nail every character by my estimation, but there were some the show did better than the books. Tywin and Cersei are much more compelling on the show, for example. Even with the White Walkers and the increased use of the dragons, I never felt like the 'fantasy' elements overtook the political intrigue that made the story so compelling. This conversation makes me want to rewatch the series, but the end is going to aggravate me even more the second time around, I think. Kind of the same reason I haven't revisited the books, knowing that thus far it all leads nowhere and it will probably stay that way forever.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 1, 2020 21:23:43 GMT
Like I said, suff like this isn't really my cup of hot cocoa. But the missus started watching from Day One and needled me until I started watching. I was lukewarm until Ned lost his head. Then I was hooked.
I agree about the While Walkers. The books barely mention them. Not even the White Walkers but "The Others". And no Night King. The books are much more into the Westeros politics, but I guess the show needed monsters. I think The Others would have come into play a lot more in the last two books but I doubt we will ever know.
I didn't mind the way Sansa turned out. She got shit on too much and it turned her. I didn't like King Bran either. Too cute. They just couldn't do the obvious and make Aegon Targaryen/Jon Snow king. I really didn't like the way Tyrion came out in the last season. He goes from being very smart and competent to being a bumbling incompetent. He get outfoxed again and again by that goof Euron Grayjoy.
Maybe the pluses outweigh the minuses. This is my first rewatch since the show ended. There were so many great things. The wildings attacking the Wall. Blackwater Bay. Arthur Dayne v. Ned Stark et al at the Tower of Joy. The Red Wedding.
I wouldn't go that far. They become more significant as the books go on, but we still don't know how much of an impact they have in that narrative. My guess is it'll be even more impactful than what we got on the show, where they build them up as an unstoppable juggernaut and dispatch them in a single battle. I think they changed it to White Walkers from 'The Others' due to the popularity of LOST. Too similar. Great name change, by the way. The final two seasons were a mess, and they didn't nail every character by my estimation, but there were some the show did better than the books. Tywin and Cersei are much more compelling on the show, for example. Even with the White Walkers and the increased use of the dragons, I never felt like the 'fantasy' elements overtook the political intrigue that made the story so compelling. This conversation makes me want to rewatch the series, but the end is going to aggravate me even more the second time around, I think. Kind of the same reason I haven't revisited the books, knowing that thus far it all leads nowhere and it will probably stay that way forever. The Bran storyline sucked
Him stuck in the swamp with the tree guy for years - and then talking to a tree for years
Oof
And the Ayra faceless men storyline
Oof
And Danny walking through the desert for seasons boring me to tears
Oof
Other than that I enjoyed it
I liked Joffrey the most, Tyrion 2nd - enjoyed Cersei too
Oh - and the religious cult - I didn't like it - come on - you mean to tell me a religious cult is going to overthrow the Lannisters in their own home?
Oof
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 1, 2020 21:24:17 GMT
Like I said, suff like this isn't really my cup of hot cocoa. But the missus started watching from Day One and needled me until I started watching. I was lukewarm until Ned lost his head. Then I was hooked.
I agree about the While Walkers. The books barely mention them. Not even the White Walkers but "The Others". And no Night King. The books are much more into the Westeros politics, but I guess the show needed monsters. I think The Others would have come into play a lot more in the last two books but I doubt we will ever know.
I didn't mind the way Sansa turned out. She got shit on too much and it turned her. I didn't like King Bran either. Too cute. They just couldn't do the obvious and make Aegon Targaryen/Jon Snow king. I really didn't like the way Tyrion came out in the last season. He goes from being very smart and competent to being a bumbling incompetent. He get outfoxed again and again by that goof Euron Grayjoy.
Maybe the pluses outweigh the minuses. This is my first rewatch since the show ended. There were so many great things. The wildings attacking the Wall. Blackwater Bay. Arthur Dayne v. Ned Stark et al at the Tower of Joy. The Red Wedding.
Yeah it was enjoyable
A shame there aren't more shows like this to get invested in that are currently on (at least not that I'm aware)
It's a hard to find a show you literally get excited to watch on a weekly basis - used to feel that way about Breaking Bad and the early seasons of The Walking Dead - can't think of the last time I watched an enjoyable show as it was going on during it's run
Not to be that guy - because everybody hates that guy - and I'm assuming there are a lot of other people out there that saw this coming
But did you see the Danny turn coming? I thought they dropped numerous hints the more the show went on that she was going to let power go to her head.
That's kind of the feeling I got with Sansa which I was disappointed with - I get all she had been through - but I didn't expect her to let power go to her head - she seemed very power hungry the shows final couple of years
I thought Danerys had it in her. The was always put in a good light but she still had the cruelty in her. Crucifying the slaveowners in the one city, burning Randall Tarly. The Targaryans were so inbred that madness ran amok, but I thought maybe she was a good one, more than her father and brother. When she roasted the Tarly's, I was fairly certain she would go off the deep end.
I tried a couple times to get into the Walking Dead, Didn't happen. Same with Mad Men.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Dec 1, 2020 22:51:49 GMT
Yeah it was enjoyable
A shame there aren't more shows like this to get invested in that are currently on (at least not that I'm aware)
It's a hard to find a show you literally get excited to watch on a weekly basis - used to feel that way about Breaking Bad and the early seasons of The Walking Dead - can't think of the last time I watched an enjoyable show as it was going on during it's run
Not to be that guy - because everybody hates that guy - and I'm assuming there are a lot of other people out there that saw this coming
But did you see the Danny turn coming? I thought they dropped numerous hints the more the show went on that she was going to let power go to her head.
That's kind of the feeling I got with Sansa which I was disappointed with - I get all she had been through - but I didn't expect her to let power go to her head - she seemed very power hungry the shows final couple of years
I thought Danerys had it in her. The was always put in a good light but she still had the cruelty in her. Crucifying the slaveowners in the one city, burning Randall Tarly. The Targaryans were so inbred that madness ran amok, but I thought maybe she was a good one, more than her father and brother. When she roasted the Tarly's, I was fairly certain she would go off the deep end.
I tried a couple times to get into the Walking Dead, Didn't happen. Same with Mad Men.
Mad Men is fantastic, one of the better character-driven dramas of recent years. Walking Dead is complete dogshit.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 1, 2020 22:58:02 GMT
I thought Danerys had it in her. The was always put in a good light but she still had the cruelty in her. Crucifying the slaveowners in the one city, burning Randall Tarly. The Targaryans were so inbred that madness ran amok, but I thought maybe she was a good one, more than her father and brother. When she roasted the Tarly's, I was fairly certain she would go off the deep end.
I tried a couple times to get into the Walking Dead, Didn't happen. Same with Mad Men.
Mad Men is fantastic, one of the better character-driven dramas of recent years. Walking Dead is complete dogshit. What about 'The Governor' years - they were pretty fantastic, no? 
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Post by klawrencio79 on Dec 1, 2020 23:04:44 GMT
Mad Men is fantastic, one of the better character-driven dramas of recent years. Walking Dead is complete dogshit. What about 'The Governor' years - they were pretty fantastic, no? No, they were also dogshit.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Dec 1, 2020 23:15:59 GMT
What about 'The Governor' years - they were pretty fantastic, no? No, they were also dogshit. You didn't think the Shane days were a blast?
What about Negan?
And his character arc?
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Post by klawrencio79 on Dec 1, 2020 23:35:08 GMT
No, they were also dogshit. You didn't think the Shane days were a blast?
What about Negan?
And his character arc?
The first two episodes of season 1 are great. Literally everything else is dogshit and I stupidly watched out of an idiotic sense of obligations. Sunk cost fallacy. The character "arcs," the writing, the general storytelling, the acting, the pacing, everything about that show sucks. Whatever other storyline you're going to ask me about also sucks.
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