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Post by ThreeSticks on Jun 9, 2024 0:34:24 GMT
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jun 9, 2024 17:56:34 GMT
I've seen a lot of these kinds of things and they creep me out.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jun 9, 2024 18:03:09 GMT
I couldn't really have any less interest in another Bad Boys movie, but the John Wick effect has been good and bad. We've gotten fun stuff, but everybody thinks they can and should imitate this sort of intricate fight choreography and it's become an annoying trope at times. I just saw this trailer for a new movie with Jessica Alba where they are trying to imitate this style and its becoming a bit tiresome. And you get stuff like the Road House remake, which was entertaining enough I guess, where they try the new 'innovative' techniques to make the action more 'real' and 'visceral' but it just ends up feeling really weird. There's something strange going on with the way it's shot. Apparently there's some CGI fuckery going on where Jake Gyllenhaal and his opponents are shooting some of the closeup fight moments separately and hitting a pad and then they stitch them together via CG so the hits appear to really connect so nobody needs to pull their punches. It's kinda weird but I don't think that's really the issue. I think there's something going on with the framing that feels artificial. This kind of fight choreography is as much about camera choreography as it about the subjects, and in this movie it seems like maybe there's an post production framing device where the subject is locked into center framing at all times. So when Jake Gyllenhaal punches a dude to his left then elbows a guy to his right the camera whips around frantically to keep everything in the middle of the frame... but it doesn't feel like a great camera operator doing great work, but a weird artificial after-effect that makes everything a little weird and off putting and not that fun kind of controlled frantic shooting style that works well. I think a lot of action movie directors heard George Miller describing center-frame action directing and took the wrong lessons from it. He's got a real ability to draw the eye to the right part of the screen so that even the most hectic camera moves and action can be presented in a frenzied way that still comprehensible and feels natural. As opposed to the action in the remake of Road House that feels like am attempt at thar which never works, or a Michael Bay action sequence that's visually confusing and annoying as shit. But the Road House remake also is just kinda misguided to begin with anyway. It's fine and they could have just called it something else and it wouldn't have felt as desperate, but we all know that remaking a cult film is a fool's errand. You can't recapture the unintentional campiness from the original, and having the sense of humor and self awareness makes it a different thing altogether. So you're left with yet another knowingly silly action movie with one liners and half serious, half joking dialogue that just feels like everything else that's being done now. And, to everyone's surprise, Connor McGregor is a terrible actor. Shocking I know, but they seem to think that if they tell him to keep a permanent smile on his face that equates to him effectively playing a mentally deranged lunatic. The thing is he seems like a douche bag lunatic in his real life, but in the movie he looks like a guy desperately trying to act like one. It's kind of remarkable how bad he is. Also why does he walk like that? It's so strange. Haven't seen the Road House remake, and I probably won't anytime soon. I hear you, though. Even in this flick, which overall I praised the action, it does a few things I didn't love. It has this kind of POV sequence where Mike & Marcus are throwing a gun to each other and shooting bad guys and what have you, and the camera follows the gun's POV through the air, then you're facing whoever is holding it, then it flips to a first person shooter POV as they use it. They're intentionally mimicking a video game, and it really didn't work for me. But it was only one among several actions scenes where I thought they did some really cool stuff. Regarding the Bad Boys franchise. It's funny because I was never a huge fan of the first two, but I ended up liking the third one a lot (maybe because my expectations were low), and I really got a kick out of this one. It might depend on how much you like the leads or how seriously (or not seriously) you're willing to take the movies. I remember thinking the first one was alright, and not liking the second one at all, because it was like a spoof of itself. Ride or Die is almost a spoof of a spoof, because Marcus (Lawrence) is so over the top goofy in this one. But there's a reason for it, and mostly I'm just impressed that they were able to find things for the expanded supporting cast to do, and they put genuine effort into the action scenes of a leftover franchise's fourth installment-- which has become mostly a comedy show at this point. I saw first the one a bunch of years ago and found it pretty lame. I thought the humor was mediocre and the action was also just fine. Martin Lawrence was never a favorite of mine and the super broad jokes didn't appeal to me. By the time they got to the Bad Boys 2 Michael Bay's awful directing style had become fully unbearable to me and the jokes were painfully terrible. And Hot Fuzz and Team America came along and satirized everything about the Michael Bay and Bruckheimer action movies so brilliantly that I don't need to see another one ever again, really.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Jun 9, 2024 20:51:10 GMT
I am revisiting Cobra Kai in anticipation of the upcoming sixth and final season. With all the different TV shows in my watchlist, I haven't rewatched anything in years (probably since Game of Thrones), but the misadventures of Johnny Lawrence are so much fun that I am making an exception.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jun 10, 2024 14:13:26 GMT
I am revisiting Cobra Kai in anticipation of the upcoming sixth and final season. With all the different TV shows in my watchlist, I haven't rewatched anything in years (probably since Game of Thrones), but the misadventures of Johnny Lawrence are so much fun that I am making an exception. The Johnny stuff is great, particularly in the first season. I found all of the subsequent seasons to be more forced and is missing that "lightning in a bottle" feeling that the first season caught. Still a fun watch, just to watch the misadventures of the two leads, but I find all of the kids to be annoying (except Miguel).
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Jun 10, 2024 15:24:09 GMT
I am revisiting Cobra Kai in anticipation of the upcoming sixth and final season. With all the different TV shows in my watchlist, I haven't rewatched anything in years (probably since Game of Thrones), but the misadventures of Johnny Lawrence are so much fun that I am making an exception. The Johnny stuff is great, particularly in the first season. I found all of the subsequent seasons to be more forced and is missing that "lightning in a bottle" feeling that the first season caught. Still a fun watch, just to watch the misadventures of the two leads, but I find all of the kids to be annoying (except Miguel). The kids and their drama don't bother me too much. What I didn't like it the last two seasons is how the stakes kept getting higher. Big international conspiracies to dominate the Karate Dojo market? That is a bit silly. What next for the final season, Lawrence and Larusso teaming up to fight the combined forces of the Mexican cartels, the Russian Mafia and the Chinese triads?
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jun 10, 2024 15:40:45 GMT
The Johnny stuff is great, particularly in the first season. I found all of the subsequent seasons to be more forced and is missing that "lightning in a bottle" feeling that the first season caught. Still a fun watch, just to watch the misadventures of the two leads, but I find all of the kids to be annoying (except Miguel). The kids and their drama don't bother me too much. What I didn't like it the last two seasons is how the stakes kept getting higher. Big international conspiracies to dominate the Karate Dojo market? That is a bit silly. What next for the final season, Lawrence and Larusso teaming up to fight the combined forces of the Mexican cartels, the Russian Mafia and the Chinese triads? This show is obviously super popular, but everyone I know who watches it says it's entertainingly stupid and that the story lines are absurd. Haven't watched myself, but my understanding was that it was basically a comedy that was going for a so dumb it's good kinda thing. Is this not the case? Is it supposed to be more serious than I thought?
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jun 10, 2024 16:03:19 GMT
The kids and their drama don't bother me too much. What I didn't like it the last two seasons is how the stakes kept getting higher. Big international conspiracies to dominate the Karate Dojo market? That is a bit silly. What next for the final season, Lawrence and Larusso teaming up to fight the combined forces of the Mexican cartels, the Russian Mafia and the Chinese triads? This show is obviously super popular, but everyone I know who watches it says it's entertainingly stupid and that the story lines are absurd. Haven't watched myself, but my understanding was that it was basically a comedy that was going for a so dumb it's good kinda thing. Is this not the case? Is it supposed to be more serious than I thought? It's largely that, but even with that tone, it doesn't always land properly. The first season brilliantly captures this mix with endearing characters, real stakes but not too real, it's funny without being silly, it has just the right amount of nostalgia and fan service while always pushing the story forward. It just all works. It's tough to repeat that kind of act, especially when it was so unexpected heading into the first season. It's still fun, just never lives up to those heights in my opinion and like Jep says, the stakes do get pretty silly as the show goes on. The one thing where my suspension of disbelief really fails me was the fact that since season 1, any character who joins a karate dojo is automatically imbued with karate superpowers. Like, in one day, they turn into Bruce Lee.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jun 10, 2024 16:07:33 GMT
I couldn't really have any less interest in another Bad Boys movie, but the John Wick effect has been good and bad. We've gotten fun stuff, but everybody thinks they can and should imitate this sort of intricate fight choreography and it's become an annoying trope at times. I just saw this trailer for a new movie with Jessica Alba where they are trying to imitate this style and its becoming a bit tiresome. And you get stuff like the Road House remake, which was entertaining enough I guess, where they try the new 'innovative' techniques to make the action more 'real' and 'visceral' but it just ends up feeling really weird. There's something strange going on with the way it's shot. Apparently there's some CGI fuckery going on where Jake Gyllenhaal and his opponents are shooting some of the closeup fight moments separately and hitting a pad and then they stitch them together via CG so the hits appear to really connect so nobody needs to pull their punches. It's kinda weird but I don't think that's really the issue. I think there's something going on with the framing that feels artificial. This kind of fight choreography is as much about camera choreography as it about the subjects, and in this movie it seems like maybe there's an post production framing device where the subject is locked into center framing at all times. So when Jake Gyllenhaal punches a dude to his left then elbows a guy to his right the camera whips around frantically to keep everything in the middle of the frame... but it doesn't feel like a great camera operator doing great work, but a weird artificial after-effect that makes everything a little weird and off putting and not that fun kind of controlled frantic shooting style that works well. I think a lot of action movie directors heard George Miller describing center-frame action directing and took the wrong lessons from it. He's got a real ability to draw the eye to the right part of the screen so that even the most hectic camera moves and action can be presented in a frenzied way that still comprehensible and feels natural. As opposed to the action in the remake of Road House that feels like am attempt at thar which never works, or a Michael Bay action sequence that's visually confusing and annoying as shit. But the Road House remake also is just kinda misguided to begin with anyway. It's fine and they could have just called it something else and it wouldn't have felt as desperate, but we all know that remaking a cult film is a fool's errand. You can't recapture the unintentional campiness from the original, and having the sense of humor and self awareness makes it a different thing altogether. So you're left with yet another knowingly silly action movie with one liners and half serious, half joking dialogue that just feels like everything else that's being done now. And, to everyone's surprise, Connor McGregor is a terrible actor. Shocking I know, but they seem to think that if they tell him to keep a permanent smile on his face that equates to him effectively playing a mentally deranged lunatic. The thing is he seems like a douche bag lunatic in his real life, but in the movie he looks like a guy desperately trying to act like one. It's kind of remarkable how bad he is. Also why does he walk like that? It's so strange. Haven't seen the Road House remake, and I probably won't anytime soon. I hear you, though. Even in this flick, which overall I praised the action, it does a few things I didn't love. It has this kind of POV sequence where Mike & Marcus are throwing a gun to each other and shooting bad guys and what have you, and the camera follows the gun's POV through the air, then you're facing whoever is holding it, then it flips to a first person shooter POV as they use it. They're intentionally mimicking a video game, and it really didn't work for me. But it was only one among several actions scenes where I thought they did some really cool stuff. Regarding the Bad Boys franchise. It's funny because I was never a huge fan of the first two, but I ended up liking the third one a lot (maybe because my expectations were low), and I really got a kick out of this one. It might depend on how much you like the leads or how seriously (or not seriously) you're willing to take the movies. I remember thinking the first one was alright, and not liking the second one at all, because it was like a spoof of itself. Ride or Die is almost a spoof of a spoof, because Marcus (Lawrence) is so over the top goofy in this one. But there's a reason for it, and mostly I'm just impressed that they were able to find things for the expanded supporting cast to do, and they put genuine effort into the action scenes of a leftover franchise's fourth installment-- which has become mostly a comedy show at this point. This one became a bit hit, much to my surprise. I guess nobody cares that Will Smith is a psycho or that this franchise is lame and stale because this is the first movie of the season to over-perform. Certainly seems inevitable that there's gonna be another one of these.
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Post by mtbg on Jun 10, 2024 16:15:26 GMT
I am revisiting Cobra Kai in anticipation of the upcoming sixth and final season. With all the different TV shows in my watchlist, I haven't rewatched anything in years (probably since Game of Thrones), but the misadventures of Johnny Lawrence are so much fun that I am making an exception. I hadn't rewatched anything in years either. Then my daughter wanted to watch Ted Lasso and I happily rewatched the whole thing. Great show!
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Post by sdm3 on Jun 10, 2024 17:43:37 GMT
Funnily enough I just watched all the Bad Boys in succession this week for the first time before seeing the recent one. I had zero expectations so had a solid enough time with all of them, even the second which I immediately thought was noticeably more OTT than the original (apparently a common trait with those early 00s action movies like Mission Impossible 2 and Die Another Day).
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Post by sdm3 on Jun 10, 2024 18:02:09 GMT
Lamenting the steady degradation of cinema as an experience. My wife and I got memberships a year ago which gives us unlimited free movies for a monthly fee, so we've been a lot. In these 12 months, I can count on one hand the number of times the theater was what I would call full or close to full. One was Barbie/Oppenheimer. One was The Great Escaper, full of older folk. Another was Bob Marley: One Love on Valentine's Day (I wonder if a lot of couples were under the impression it would be romantic based on the title and thought it would be a good Valentine's date). Struggling to think of another time this past year when the screen was at more than half-capacity.
I still remember seeing Avatar 2 in IMAX back in 2022 which was an awesome experience partly thanks to the packed crowd. Same when I saw Avengers: Endgame in China. Meanwhile there was only a small smattering of people at my most recent IMAX trip (Furiosa). I don't know if people just aren't as interested in going to the movies these days (it's not getting any cheaper with tickets, snacks, parking - that's for sure) or if streaming is killing the experience by releasing mere months later, or both.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 10, 2024 18:10:28 GMT
Lamenting the steady degradation of cinema as an experience. My wife and I got memberships a year ago which gives us unlimited free movies for a monthly fee, so we've been a lot. In these 12 months, I can count on one hand the number of times the theater was what I would call full or close to full. One was Barbie/Oppenheimer. One was The Great Escaper, full of older folk. Another was Bob Marley: One Love on Valentine's Day (I wonder if a lot of couples were under the impression it would be romantic based on the title and thought it would be a good Valentine's date). Struggling to think of another time this past year when the screen was at more than half-capacity. I still remember seeing Avatar 2 in IMAX back in 2022 which was an awesome experience partly thanks to the packed crowd. Same when I saw Avengers: Endgame in China. Meanwhile there was only a small smattering of people at my most recent IMAX trip (Furiosa). I don't know if people just aren't as interested in going to the movies these days (it's not getting any cheaper with tickets, snacks, parking - that's for sure) or if streaming is killing the experience by releasing mere months later, or both. Yeah, nobody goes to the theater anymore. I can't remember the last time it was close to being full at our local theater, might have been Oppenheimer last year. It's sad for a lifelong movie fan. I wonder what it's going to look like in five years? Ten?
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Post by Shane Falco on Jun 10, 2024 21:23:57 GMT
Haven't seen the Road House remake, and I probably won't anytime soon. I hear you, though. Even in this flick, which overall I praised the action, it does a few things I didn't love. It has this kind of POV sequence where Mike & Marcus are throwing a gun to each other and shooting bad guys and what have you, and the camera follows the gun's POV through the air, then you're facing whoever is holding it, then it flips to a first person shooter POV as they use it. They're intentionally mimicking a video game, and it really didn't work for me. But it was only one among several actions scenes where I thought they did some really cool stuff. Regarding the Bad Boys franchise. It's funny because I was never a huge fan of the first two, but I ended up liking the third one a lot (maybe because my expectations were low), and I really got a kick out of this one. It might depend on how much you like the leads or how seriously (or not seriously) you're willing to take the movies. I remember thinking the first one was alright, and not liking the second one at all, because it was like a spoof of itself. Ride or Die is almost a spoof of a spoof, because Marcus (Lawrence) is so over the top goofy in this one. But there's a reason for it, and mostly I'm just impressed that they were able to find things for the expanded supporting cast to do, and they put genuine effort into the action scenes of a leftover franchise's fourth installment-- which has become mostly a comedy show at this point. This one became a bit hit, much to my surprise. I guess nobody cares that Will Smith is a psycho or that this franchise is lame and stale because this is the first movie of the season to over-perform. Certainly seems inevitable that there's gonna be another one of these. Genuinely curious, do you think what he did to be that big of a deal that people would boycott his movies? Maybe I'm in the minority but I just don't think it was THAT big of a deal to warrant the audiences to boycott his films. The incident was bad but I think it was the setting of it all and not the action itself. Had this happened at a random night club would people have cared? Doubtful. So I dont see how boycotting a Will Smith film based on the action itself being warranted. Had he assaulted a woman or something sure. Chris Rock insulted his wife, got bitch slapped for it. Smith deservedly so got banned by the Academy but again, I just don't see there being a huge moral high ground on my end for movie goers to not want to see him anymore unless they already disliked him. He was (maybe still is) right up there with the likes of Tom Cruise as a movie star that general audiences all enjoyed watching. I cant imagine what he did really changed those opinions that much. Seeing how other actors in Hollywood have been "cancelled" or boycotted for their actions I just can't seem to put what Will did on par with them. Its been a while since I've seen a Will Smith film but I certainly wouldn't purposely avoid watching a film he is in. Even in his bad films, I generally enjoy him in them like Suicide Squad. Not a big fan of the Bad Boys franchise, I think the first was fine and the second to be meh. Never watched the third. Maybe people were going out of their way to support this film in support of Will being back into a box office like picture? Its been what 4 years now since he has done a film and even longer since it was a movie designed for the general audiences to go out and enjoy.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jun 10, 2024 21:28:17 GMT
Lamenting the steady degradation of cinema as an experience. My wife and I got memberships a year ago which gives us unlimited free movies for a monthly fee, so we've been a lot. In these 12 months, I can count on one hand the number of times the theater was what I would call full or close to full. One was Barbie/Oppenheimer. One was The Great Escaper, full of older folk. Another was Bob Marley: One Love on Valentine's Day (I wonder if a lot of couples were under the impression it would be romantic based on the title and thought it would be a good Valentine's date). Struggling to think of another time this past year when the screen was at more than half-capacity. I still remember seeing Avatar 2 in IMAX back in 2022 which was an awesome experience partly thanks to the packed crowd. Same when I saw Avengers: Endgame in China. Meanwhile there was only a small smattering of people at my most recent IMAX trip (Furiosa). I don't know if people just aren't as interested in going to the movies these days (it's not getting any cheaper with tickets, snacks, parking - that's for sure) or if streaming is killing the experience by releasing mere months later, or both. It's definitely all of those factors all culminating. The cost (similar to when families lament about not being able to bring their kids to an MLB game), the myriad options also available, or the fact that, as you said, the movies will be on streaming pretty quickly. When we were kids, if you missed the movie in theaters, you had to wait 6 months before being able to rent it, and another 6 months before it was on HBO. For me also, there is one nice theater that is about a 20 minute drive from my house, and it's not like I live in Hooverville, Arkansas. That's it. Every other theater is a combination of being too far away, completely disgusting in terms of cleanliness, the screens are small, the sound sucks, what have you. I'm not sure what happened but also when I was kid, there were 2 theaters within walking distance of my house and maybe they were cleaner, maybe not but they can't be worse than some of the theaters I've set foot inside the past year. My feet not sticking to the floor is a good starting point.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Jun 12, 2024 20:41:49 GMT
Still Time – Another movie on the time travel/time loop general vicinity that always appeals to me. On the day after his 40th birthday, a man wakes up to find that it is his birthday again, and he has no memory of the intervening year. Then over and over he skips ahead by one year at a time and has a glimpse of how his life is changing, not necessarily for the better. This is an Italian remake of the Australian movie Long Story Short (both on Netflix). When I saw the description of the Italian version I wasn’t immediately reminded of the original (or of the Brazilian movie Just Another Christmas, which is also on Netflix and has the same basic premise except the day is Christmas, not the protagonist’s birthday), but pretty soon the bells started ringing and I paused the movie to look it up and saw the connection. Later when reading reviews on IMDb I saw a few users comparing it to Click with Adam Sandler, which I haven’t seen.
Anyway, back to Still Time, I think it is billed as a comedy, but anyone expecting a barrel of laughs will be disappointed. I mean, it has a few funny moments, but clearly the intention and the tone of the movie are those of a drama with some touching moments and some food for thought. If I had a complaint it would be that it relies a bit too much on the tired husband-who-works-too-much-and-neglects-his-family trope. Once in a while it would be nice to see a movie where the source of friction between the couple is something else entirely (and not infidelity either, the other go-to plot device for screenwriters).
It's been a while since I watched the Australian version so I can’t really compare the two. I think I may have liked the original a little better, even though the two versions are probably pretty similar. I am still glad I watched the remake, if for nothing else then just for the pleasure of hearing Italian. Those with plenty of free time and an interest in the premise might want to watch both versions to compare, and what the hell, throw in the Brazilian one as well, which is definitely played for laughs more than the other two put together.
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Post by tristramshandy on Jun 15, 2024 6:08:03 GMT
Finished watching the documentary series Six Schizophrenic Brothers based off the book Hidden Valley Road. A family had twelve children, ten boys followed by two girls. Six of the brothers ended up having schizophrenia. So many ways to dive into it - - fascinating in a horrific way.
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Post by tristramshandy on Jun 15, 2024 6:18:40 GMT
Lamenting the steady degradation of cinema as an experience. My wife and I got memberships a year ago which gives us unlimited free movies for a monthly fee, so we've been a lot. In these 12 months, I can count on one hand the number of times the theater was what I would call full or close to full. One was Barbie/Oppenheimer. One was The Great Escaper, full of older folk. Another was Bob Marley: One Love on Valentine's Day (I wonder if a lot of couples were under the impression it would be romantic based on the title and thought it would be a good Valentine's date). Struggling to think of another time this past year when the screen was at more than half-capacity. I still remember seeing Avatar 2 in IMAX back in 2022 which was an awesome experience partly thanks to the packed crowd. Same when I saw Avengers: Endgame in China. Meanwhile there was only a small smattering of people at my most recent IMAX trip (Furiosa). I don't know if people just aren't as interested in going to the movies these days (it's not getting any cheaper with tickets, snacks, parking - that's for sure) or if streaming is killing the experience by releasing mere months later, or both. Yeah, nobody goes to the theater anymore. I can't remember the last time it was close to being full at our local theater, might have been Oppenheimer last year. It's sad for a lifelong movie fan. I wonder what it's going to look like in five years? Ten? I haven't watched a movie in a theater since 1917 pre-pandemic. My kids (13 and 9) are not into movies at all (or television for the most part either, at least scripted television) and typically the types of movies I like don't need to be seen on a big screen (although I just watched Godzilla Minus One and I would have loved to seen that on a big screen). As far as movie theaters not being full, one of the likely reasons is that you can't turn closed captioning on. There was a study earlier this year that reported that 70% of Zoomers choose to use subtitles while watching content and 53% of Millennials do. Not getting young people into the theater could be the death knell for them in the future, but many older movie goers won't want the words on the screen.
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Post by sdm3 on Jun 19, 2024 12:08:22 GMT
House of the Dragon - being back in the immersing world of Westeros is one thing, but it's remarkable how little weight the Big Bad Northern Threat carries once we remember how lamely it all ends up being resolved in Game of Thrones. Five years later, I still shake my head when I recall all those bearded White Walkers doing absolutely nothing in the final battle.
HotD is at its best when it's doing as much as it can to make us forget its predecessor, but it's hard when it's still ever-conscious of the reason these families are ultimately supposed to be (but aren't) banding together.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jun 19, 2024 13:58:17 GMT
House of the Dragon - being back in the immersing world of Westeros is one thing, but it's remarkable how little weight the Big Bad Northern Threat carries once we remember how lamely it all ends up being resolved in Game of Thrones. Five years later, I still shake my head when I recall all those bearded White Walkers doing absolutely nothing in the final battle. HotD is at its best when it's doing as much as it can to make us forget its predecessor, but it's hard when it's still ever-conscious of the reason these families are ultimately supposed to be (but aren't) banding together. I'm with you 100% on this. This episode in particular, for some reason, it felt more connected to the GoT world that we know and I don't mean that as a compliment. The rest of the season would do well to forego any mention of any other house, or give vague ominous warnings about what lies beyond the wall. Compare it to something like Better Call Saul which took what we already knew would happen, completely recontextualized it, and then improved upon it. That's how a prequel is done.
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