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Post by masterofallgoons on Oct 15, 2020 15:06:00 GMT
Tremors - AMC What a classic
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 16, 2020 12:09:48 GMT
Not much on Halloween wise right now. 'Wes Craven's New Nightmare' Wasn't really a fan of the Freddy flicks after '3 - Dream Warriors' - unless you count Freddy vs. Jason which is one of the greatest movies in western civilization history  |
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Post by sdm3 on Oct 16, 2020 12:12:26 GMT
Checked out Flatliners (1990) the other day. Fun but a little goofy with the multiple “I bullied this person as a kid” repentance angles.
Also, Julia Roberts’ character was under the impression that her dad killed himself because she opened a door on him?
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 16, 2020 12:23:02 GMT
Checked out Flatliners (1990) the other day. Fun but a little goofy with the multiple “I bullied this person as a kid” repentance angles. Also, Julia Roberts’ character was under the impression that her dad killed himself because she opened a door on him? Great cast headlined by William Baldwin - I'll have to revisit that one day
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Post by masterofallgoons on Oct 16, 2020 13:04:28 GMT
Not much on Halloween wise right now. 'Wes Craven's New Nightmare' Wasn't really a fan of the Freddy flicks after '3 - Dream Warriors' - unless you count Freddy vs. Jason which is one of the greatest movies in western civilization history I still like Nightmares 4 and 5. They're not great, but there's still enough cheesey fun to be had and some cool visual inventiveness and effects. Especially 4. And Englund is at the height of his goofy, fun powers. But New Nightmare is it's own thing. It's not really a sequel, and it's a very clever approach. It's the most interesting, original, inventive, and intellectually engaging one since the first, and it's one of Craven's best. I may enjoy watching the 3rd the most, but New Nightmare is a better film, I think. 2 and 6 can go fuck themselves. |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 16, 2020 13:10:22 GMT
Not much on Halloween wise right now. 'Wes Craven's New Nightmare' Wasn't really a fan of the Freddy flicks after '3 - Dream Warriors' - unless you count Freddy vs. Jason which is one of the greatest movies in western civilization history I still like Nightmares 4 and 5. They're not great, but there's still enough cheesey fun to be had and some cool visual inventiveness and effects. Especially 4. And Englund is at the height of his goofy, fun powers. But New Nightmare is it's own thing. It's not really a sequel, and it's a very clever approach. It's the most interesting, original, inventive, and intellectually engaging one since the first, and it's one of Craven's best. I may enjoy watching the 3rd the most, but New Nightmare is a better film, I think. 2 and 6 can go fuck themselves. I'll have to revisit them at some point. It's been years.
To me - the main protagonist can make or break some of these slasher flicks
I couldn't get into the lead heroine - the chick with the red hair in the latter sequels - but maybe after years of them collecting dust - I'll have to give them a view at some point. I own the boxset (like the Friday boxset) of all the movies - but it may be out of date at this point
I loved 3 - it was fun flick....
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Post by masterofallgoons on Oct 16, 2020 13:10:32 GMT
Checked out Flatliners (1990) the other day. Fun but a little goofy with the multiple “I bullied this person as a kid” repentance angles. Also, Julia Roberts’ character was under the impression that her dad killed himself because she opened a door on him? I saw that movie so many times, for whatever reason. It's perfectly decent, but it fails at exploiting what is obviously such a great idea. The visualization of the afterlife is incredibly underwhelming, and the revelations about each character are only sorta interesting. But the concept really carries it through. And Joel Schumacher's direction is engaging, but obviously really over the top and melodramatic. For instance their med school is apparently in a cathedral for some reason. I actually thought the remake had potential just because the idea is so strong that a new set of characters and a new approach to the same material could really have worked. Unfortunately it's entirely useless. |
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Post by masterofallgoons on Oct 16, 2020 13:14:36 GMT
I still like Nightmares 4 and 5. They're not great, but there's still enough cheesey fun to be had and some cool visual inventiveness and effects. Especially 4. And Englund is at the height of his goofy, fun powers. But New Nightmare is it's own thing. It's not really a sequel, and it's a very clever approach. It's the most interesting, original, inventive, and intellectually engaging one since the first, and it's one of Craven's best. I may enjoy watching the 3rd the most, but New Nightmare is a better film, I think. 2 and 6 can go fuck themselves. I'll have to revisit them at some point. It's been years.
To me - the main protagonist can make or break some of these slasher flicks
I couldn't get into the lead heroine - the chick with the red hair in the latter sequels - but maybe after years of them collecting dust - I'll have to give them a view at some point. I own the boxset (like the Friday boxset) of all the movies - but it may be out of date at this point
I loved 3 - it was fun flick....
I'd recommend 4. It's very much focused on the protagonist and actually develops her as a character, where so few slashers bother doing that. Yeah, it's cheesey but I think her storyline and the development actually works pretty well, and uses a kind of interesting if not subtle visual approach. I can't say it's high art, but I think it's better than a lot of people give it credit for. |
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Post by klawrencio79 on Oct 16, 2020 14:47:59 GMT
Not much on Halloween wise right now. 'Wes Craven's New Nightmare' Wasn't really a fan of the Freddy flicks after '3 - Dream Warriors' - unless you count Freddy vs. Jason which is one of the greatest movies in western civilization history I still like Nightmares 4 and 5. They're not great, but there's still enough cheesey fun to be had and some cool visual inventiveness and effects. Especially 4. And Englund is at the height of his goofy, fun powers. But New Nightmare is it's own thing. It's not really a sequel, and it's a very clever approach. It's the most interesting, original, inventive, and intellectually engaging one since the first, and it's one of Craven's best. I may enjoy watching the 3rd the most, but New Nightmare is a better film, I think. 2 and 6 can go fuck themselves. 4 is kinda great, in that came out at the height of 80s, practical effects-laden quality gore. You nailed it, Englund is awesome in that one and it's so much fun. Plus it does some fun tricks with shifting the focus from one protagonist to another halfway through the film. Of course, there's also the infamous "Invisible Karate" scene which they shoe-horned in at the end after they blew their entire budget already. As a kid, I thought it was so cool, but as an adult, it's so obvious. Still awesome though. I never liked 5, The Dream Child. That one just didn't work for me. 6 is more of a comedy than a horror. It works in spots, not in others. New Nightmare IS a better film. It's basically Scream before Scream came out; a totally meta, self-aware horror film although it's not as much fun as Scream. Yeah, 2 is awful. Pretty much in every way. I'm a sucker for the series though, it's one of those that I grew up watching.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 16, 2020 16:02:50 GMT
seems to be a NOES marathon on Syfy just watched 6 - meh 5 is starting now - after that is 4 - going to put Dracula on the backburner was always curious why stations do this - play the series in reverse order wouldn't one think i'd want to watch 4 before 5?  |
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Post by klawrencio79 on Oct 16, 2020 16:10:18 GMT
seems to be a NOES marathon on Syfy just watched 6 - meh 5 is starting now - after that is 4 - going to put Dracula on the backburner was always curious why stations do this - play the series in reverse order wouldn't one think i'd want to watch 4 before 5? 1, 3 and 4 are a continuous story. Even though 5 has characters from 4, it's basically it's own movie with few ties to the prior story beyond the characters. Still makes no sense
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 16, 2020 16:19:29 GMT
seems to be a NOES marathon on Syfy just watched 6 - meh 5 is starting now - after that is 4 - going to put Dracula on the backburner was always curious why stations do this - play the series in reverse order wouldn't one think i'd want to watch 4 before 5? 1, 3 and 4 are a continuous story. Even though 5 has characters from 4, it's basically it's own movie with few ties to the prior story beyond the characters. Still makes no sense Wait - so 3 and 4 are connected to 1?
It's been so long since I've seen these.....
2 is pretty much a stand alone? I just remember the protagonist from 2 was a guy - which is kind of rare for a slasher flick isn't it?
All the Halloweens, Friday the 13ths - the protagonist always seems to be a female....
I just remember loving the original and III and FvJ ....
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Post by klawrencio79 on Oct 16, 2020 16:32:31 GMT
1, 3 and 4 are a continuous story. Even though 5 has characters from 4, it's basically it's own movie with few ties to the prior story beyond the characters. Still makes no sense Wait - so 3 and 4 are connected to 1?
It's been so long since I've seen these.....
2 is pretty much a stand alone? I just remember the protagonist from 2 was a guy - which is kind of rare for a slasher flick isn't it?
All the Halloweens, Friday the 13ths - the protagonist always seems to be a female....
I just remember loving the original and III and FvJ ....
Yup. 2 and 6 are basically standalone movies, like pre-Craig Bond movies. 1, 3 and 4 are a continuous story, for the most part, although it's not really necessary to have watched any one of them in particular. Pretty sure you can watch 3 and immediately pick up what's going on.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Oct 16, 2020 18:00:27 GMT
I still like Nightmares 4 and 5. They're not great, but there's still enough cheesey fun to be had and some cool visual inventiveness and effects. Especially 4. And Englund is at the height of his goofy, fun powers. But New Nightmare is it's own thing. It's not really a sequel, and it's a very clever approach. It's the most interesting, original, inventive, and intellectually engaging one since the first, and it's one of Craven's best. I may enjoy watching the 3rd the most, but New Nightmare is a better film, I think. 2 and 6 can go fuck themselves. 4 is kinda great, in that came out at the height of 80s, practical effects-laden quality gore. You nailed it, Englund is awesome in that one and it's so much fun. Plus it does some fun tricks with shifting the focus from one protagonist to another halfway through the film. Of course, there's also the infamous "Invisible Karate" scene which they shoe-horned in at the end after they blew their entire budget already. As a kid, I thought it was so cool, but as an adult, it's so obvious. Still awesome though. I never liked 5, The Dream Child. That one just didn't work for me. 6 is more of a comedy than a horror. It works in spots, not in others. New Nightmare IS a better film. It's basically Scream before Scream came out; a totally meta, self-aware horror film although it's not as much fun as Scream. Yeah, 2 is awful. Pretty much in every way. I'm a sucker for the series though, it's one of those that I grew up watching. Those movies all came out before my time, and even then got into them kinda late, but I enjoy that 80s cheesiness, and that recurring song from Elm Street 4 is kinda the best version of that feeling. Sure it's ridiculous, but there's something really effective about it the emotion of that. Most of the setpieces are pretty cool, but yeah that fucking karate scene is stupid and sticks out like a sore thumb. But the movie overcomes it otherwise, I think. I think 5 is decent enough. I find the characters pretty likeable, it continues the sort of relatable emotionality of the previous movie, and it has some good set pieces as well. You say that it's sort of a stand alone, but it carries over the relationship the starts from 4 and I think the idea of the way she relates to her father is actually a nice continuation. Of course, she just suddenly has a new set of friends this time, but I kinda like them, and starting the movie in the logical next step from the teen angsty thing of the previous movie by starting it with high school graduation and all the emotion and fear that comes with that. It's not especially deep, but that kinda thing gives it a good foundation, and the starting part of losing a partner and still carrying his baby is a pretty heavy place to begin a story too. Of course it devolves into 'super Freddy' and paper shredding a comic version of a character, but there are good things in it. Also, it starts with the Freddy origin in the asylum thing as the opening nightmare which is kind cool, and as much as it doesn't do all that much with it, the inclusion of the M.C. Escher staircase imagery is an obvious but satisfying thing to see in a Nightmare on Elm Street movie. I think 6 is pretty bad altogether. It has a few moments and a few OK ideas, but it's not funny. I've seen people argue that that movie and Jason X are good and people don't get what they're going for, but I think everyone realizes they're trying to be funny, it's just that they fail at that goal. New Nightmare and Scream definitely share some DNA. I think Scream is a little more successful overall because the satire and the comedy really make it work and add to the entertainment value. In New Nightmare I think Craven's taking a more earnest approach to showing the toll that putting out something really dark in the world can have on a creator especially when it gets out of his hands and becomes bigger than he intended. It's a really interesting idea, and the whole thing about a character in the movie writing the script to the movie you are currently watching is pretty fascinating. In my mind Charlie Kaufman's script for Adaptation owes Wes Craven a debt. It also always made me kinda wish that Heather Langenkamp acted more. I never thought too much of her in the first one, she was totally serviceable and she's decent in the second one, but I think she's really strong in New Nightmare (and quite a looker as a mature woman). In reality she really did marry a makeup effects guy and sort of work with him and live a quieter life. What a freakin trooper to let that reality be included in the script when it goes to such sad and disturbing places. 2 sucks, it's true. But Jerry and Kramer's love interest Pam, a.k.a. Velvet-Scrunchy, a.k.a. How-is-That-not-Meryl-Streep is in it (like how That's-got-to-be-Bill-Maher is in 3). The whole movie is shoddy made, and even though it's got some cool moments here and there, it's mostly stupid. HOWEVER... The gay subtext (overt-text) that the creators say they somehow were not aware of does get to ridiculous so-bad-it's-good at times. The kid goes to some bizarre leather fetish bar in the middle of the night, sees his gym teacher in bondage gear, is brought back to the high school gym for discipline in the middle of the fucking night, and then the gym teacher is tied up naked in the showers and beaten and whipped. It's fucking wild. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 16, 2020 18:04:00 GMT
4 is kinda great, in that came out at the height of 80s, practical effects-laden quality gore. You nailed it, Englund is awesome in that one and it's so much fun. Plus it does some fun tricks with shifting the focus from one protagonist to another halfway through the film. Of course, there's also the infamous "Invisible Karate" scene which they shoe-horned in at the end after they blew their entire budget already. As a kid, I thought it was so cool, but as an adult, it's so obvious. Still awesome though. I never liked 5, The Dream Child. That one just didn't work for me. 6 is more of a comedy than a horror. It works in spots, not in others. New Nightmare IS a better film. It's basically Scream before Scream came out; a totally meta, self-aware horror film although it's not as much fun as Scream. Yeah, 2 is awful. Pretty much in every way. I'm a sucker for the series though, it's one of those that I grew up watching. Those movies all came out before my time, and even then got into them kinda late, but I enjoy that 80s cheesiness, and that recurring song from Elm Street 4 is kinda the best version of that feeling. Sure it's ridiculous, but there's something really effective about it the emotion of that. Most of the setpieces are pretty cool, but yeah that fucking karate scene is stupid and sticks out like a sore thumb. But the movie overcomes it otherwise, I think. I think 5 is decent enough. I find the characters pretty likeable, it continues the sort of relatable emotionality of the previous movie, and it has some good set pieces as well. You say that it's sort of a stand alone, but it carries over the relationship the starts from 4 and I think the idea of the way she relates to her father is actually a nice continuation. Of course, she just suddenly has a new set of friends this time, but I kinda like them, and starting the movie in the logical next step from the teen angsty thing of the previous movie by starting it with high school graduation and all the emotion and fear that comes with that. It's not especially deep, but that kinda thing gives it a good foundation, and the starting part of losing a partner and still carrying his baby is a pretty heavy place to begin a story too. Of course it devolves into 'super Freddy' and paper shredding a comic version of a character, but there are good things in it. Also, it starts with the Freddy origin in the asylum thing as the opening nightmare which is kind cool, and as much as it doesn't do all that much with it, the inclusion of the M.C. Escher staircase imagery is an obvious but satisfying thing to see in a Nightmare on Elm Street movie. I think 6 is pretty bad altogether. It has a few moments and a few OK ideas, but it's not funny. I've seen people argue that that movie and Jason X are good and people don't get what they're going for, but I think everyone realizes they're trying to be funny, it's just that they fail at that goal. New Nightmare and Scream definitely share some DNA. I think Scream is a little more successful overall because the satire and the comedy really make it work and add to the entertainment value. In New Nightmare I think Craven's taking a more earnest approach to showing the toll that putting out something really dark in the world can have on a creator especially when it gets out of his hands and becomes bigger than he intended. It's a really interesting idea, and the whole thing about a character in the movie writing the script to the movie you are currently watching is pretty fascinating. In my mind Charlie Kaufman's script for Adaptation owes Wes Craven a debt. It also always made me kinda wish that Heather Langenkamp acted more. I never thought too much of her in the first one, she was totally serviceable and she's decent in the second one, but I think she's really strong in New Nightmare (and quite a looker as a mature woman). In reality she really did marry a makeup effects guy and sort of work with him and live a quieter life. What a freakin trooper to let that reality be included in the script when it goes to such sad and disturbing places. 2 sucks, it's true. But Jerry and Kramer's love interest Pam, a.k.a. Velvet-Scrunchy, a.k.a. How-is-That-not-Meryl-Streep is in it (like how That's-got-to-be-Bill-Maher is in 3). The whole movie is shoddy made, and even though it's got some cool moments here and there, it's mostly stupid. HOWEVER... The gay subtext (overt-text) that the creators say they somehow were not aware of does get to ridiculous so-bad-it's-good at times. The kid goes to some bizarre leather fetish bar in the middle of the night, sees his gym teacher in bondage gear, is brought back to the high school gym for discipline in the middle of the fucking night, and then the gym teacher is tied up naked in the showers and beaten and whipped.It's fucking wild. Who among us...
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Post by Aj_June on Oct 16, 2020 18:06:34 GMT
1, 3 and 4 are a continuous story. Even though 5 has characters from 4, it's basically it's own movie with few ties to the prior story beyond the characters. Still makes no sense Wait - so 3 and 4 are connected to 1?
It's been so long since I've seen these.....
2 is pretty much a stand alone? I just remember the protagonist from 2 was a guy - which is kind of rare for a slasher flick isn't it?
All the Halloweens, Friday the 13ths - the protagonist always seems to be a female....
I just remember loving the original and III and FvJ ....
A brutal workweek comes to end, man. Please suggest a good entertaining slasher film, man. Don't want to use any brain, just a stupid horror film is all I need.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 16, 2020 18:10:40 GMT
Wait - so 3 and 4 are connected to 1?
It's been so long since I've seen these.....
2 is pretty much a stand alone? I just remember the protagonist from 2 was a guy - which is kind of rare for a slasher flick isn't it?
All the Halloweens, Friday the 13ths - the protagonist always seems to be a female....
I just remember loving the original and III and FvJ ....
A brutal workweek comes to end, man. Please suggest a good entertaining slasher film, man. Don't want to use any brain, just a stupid horror film is all I need. F13th Part III might be my favorite slasher
It's where Jason gets introduced to his goalie mask
The thing about Part III - I actually found the clan of protagonists that go down to Jason actually enjoyable to watch - in other slahsers - I'm usually rooting for Jason, Michael etc to pick them off.
Did you ever watch Hatchet? Think I suggest it before. Just brainless dumb fun - about a killer in the Louisiana swamps that is deformed
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Post by masterofallgoons on Oct 16, 2020 18:12:47 GMT
Wait - so 3 and 4 are connected to 1?
It's been so long since I've seen these.....
2 is pretty much a stand alone? I just remember the protagonist from 2 was a guy - which is kind of rare for a slasher flick isn't it?
All the Halloweens, Friday the 13ths - the protagonist always seems to be a female....
I just remember loving the original and III and FvJ ....
A brutal workweek comes to end, man. Please suggest a good entertaining slasher film, man. Don't want to use any brain, just a stupid horror film is all I need. What are you in the mood for? There's a recent one called Terrifier with a slasher clown. There's not a lot of story going on, but some good atmosphere and loads of gore, and the Art the Clown character is a cool looking villain. But you're not gonna get much from the script. Not that you'd expect to, but there's really not a lot here. |
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Post by Aj_June on Oct 16, 2020 18:20:23 GMT
masterofallgoonsWould you recommend The Ritual (2017)? (assuming you have seen)? I am in a mood of watching Hollywood style slasher but even Italian giallo style slasher will be okay. The only condition is that it should not be horror-Comedy. Just checked Terrifier (2016)'s IMDB page. I think I can give it a try. @ screamingtreefrogsI have seen the first 5 parts of Friday series. I Know What You Did Last Summer (1997) is it any good?
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 16, 2020 18:21:23 GMT
masterofallgoons Would you recommend The Ritual (2017)? (assuming you have seen)? I am in a mood of watching Hollywood style slasher but even Italian giallo style slasher will be okay. The only condition is that it should not be horror-Comedy. Just checked Terrifier (2016)'s IMDB page. I think I can give it a try. @ screamingtreefrogs I have seen the first 5 parts of Friday series. I Know What You Did Last Summer (1997) is it any good? all i remember from 'I know what you did last summer' is that Jennifer Love Hewitt looked awesome in a tank top
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